Nick P said:

so let me get this right.....you guys pay £5800 for a tub of polish? What is it made of?????? Dodos' bollock juice? I just can't get my head round the concept of spending so much on some car polish....sorry

I couldn't belive this either as when I went to Zymols website most their products appear to be in the £50-100 range.

The Royal package appears to be like a Pepsi at Pizza Hut in that it comes with free refils (though in this case "for life". So I am guessing if you polish enough cars regulary enough the price per car treatment actually gets down to a reasonable level.

www.vertar.com/zymol-estate-glazes.asp?pt_id=89

BTW it doesn't contain Dodos bollock juice it contains a princess's fanny batter



>> Edited by RR-Eng on Thursday 5th January 22:41

There was another thread where the question was 'why' does it cost so much?

ie cost of raw materials compared to say a Zymol Concours wax at £145 a tub, manufacturing costs, is it a more labour intensive mixing process etc, distribution and marketing costs etc?

I guess we arent ever going to be given the answer to that one are we?

Just as well that we already know what the answer is then eh

polarbert said:

Hey Paul, wondered if you could answer a question of mine, recently returned from a holiday down in norwich, and just today i noticed that i had a small dent on my bonnet, followed by a small scuff mark which wouldnt come off with my fingers, will t-cut get this out? it doesnt look like a scratch at all, its definately a scuff, but it wont come off. also what do you reckon to t-cut? cheers, Rob

Hi Rob,

t-cut is a big no no on todays clear coats, specially your Renault paintwork, can you feel the scuff with your finger nail?

Regards
Paul

richb said:

Shame about the orange peel evident on the door in the 3rd picture but then I guess BMW's are mass-produced rather than hand finished

If you could see how much orange peel is in my "hand finished" Elise, you would probably prefer the mass produced finish.

Sure the up-front cost looks like a no-brainer but are some folk ignoring the overall economics (again)? I haven't got the £6k wax - back to that in a minute - just a humble tub of Carbon that's hardly used, mainly because there's also a half-full tub of Concours next to it, which cost me just over £90 way back in about 1996, can't be sure of the precise date of purchase. At the time ninety squid for a tub of wax seemed crazy to many people but nearly ten years on it's given the best finish on a car I've ever had, for less than a tenner a year. More cost-effective than any of the other products mentioned on here with lower up-front costs but shorter lifespan and inferior results, as far as I can see and yes that's a personal opinion.

Back to the £5.8k tub. Refilled for life isn't it? And the proud owner is in the car care business so take 10 years of business activity. We're now down to £580 per year. What sort of next-to-nothing pathetically small business cost is that? Why is there such a fuss over £50 a month? Even the total up front cost is far les than many folk on here choose to burn willingly when they drive off a dealer's forecourt in a new sportscar - anyone doing this can kiss the VAT goodbye and wave seeya at a big kerching of instant depreciation.

Hell, if it was available back in 1996 and I knew then how long this stuff lasts I'd get some myself, for personal use only not as a dealer

As it is my Concours will last for another 10 years or so - I'll get back to you in 2016.

You've missed a bit.

sorry!

I'd be interested to see a "before" and "after" shot taken outside.

I have used some of the "cheaper" Zymol products and been impressed with the results, and understand that as a business proposition a refillable tub makes sense, but can a £6,000 tub of wax make THAT much difference?

Nick P said:

i understand the "£5800 over ten years" argument, but look at it realistically.....£20 for a shiney car, every week for a year....or £580 for a shiney car every week for a year.......?????? Now if it cost £5800 to do and you never needed to polish your car again, thats another story..........

Sure but that assumes one shiny is the same as another shiny and are of equal 'worth' to a car owner with choice.

Since there aren't many shiny thingies in the same league as Zymol, and none equal to it, that £95 (ish) tub of Concours I got in '96 that will just about be gone by 2016 is giving an amazing Zymol paintwork finish for £9 / year, which is less than half the cost you quote, and if I was in the car care business the £5.8k wax would be top of my list. For marketing it would give me a uniqueness and excellence angle to exploit, and a guaranteed portfolio of satisfied customers, at an overhead rate of £50 a month which is in 'forget it' territory.

Sure, if someone can't afford to buy it then they won't, or if they could afford it but choose to spend less money on inferior products, well that's freedom of choice. My point was that the economics of Zymol can't be assessed from the up front price alone.

Yet to see anything as good, and that's a lot of seeing

At £9 / year I'm not breaking my neck, or the bank, looking for something else

If I had a CGT or FXX I'd buy the company not a tub of wax.

Interesting that in this discussion Zanio and P21 have cropped up but no one has mentioned 'Swiss Oil'?