Claiming an abandoned car?
Discussion
bozmandb9 said:
tinman0 said:
With the way the law works today, the last thing I would want to do is pick up an abandoned car. It only takes a CPS target, and you're being prosecuted for some theft charge.
All it takes is an owner tracking it down again, and getting a cop who hasn't had his bj that morning.
Wrong.All it takes is an owner tracking it down again, and getting a cop who hasn't had his bj that morning.
It wouldn't /couldn't be theft, see previous posts.
All it takes is someone who wants to make a legal point, and you're in a world of trouble. For what?
tinman0 said:
Who wants to be on the end of a potential court case finding out? All for the risk of not buying a £200 banger off Ebay?
All it takes is someone who wants to make a legal point, and you're in a world of trouble. For what?
My God, don't you have anything better to do!All it takes is someone who wants to make a legal point, and you're in a world of trouble. For what?
So you think somebody having left a car to rot for years, is going to mystically re-appear, and then take this chap to court over his £400 car?
It really p
s me off when people make fatuous posts based on not reading the thread!p.s. and as for the whole world of legal trouble, that's b.s. you would be the registered keeper, and theft would not apply.
Anyway, I'm bored s
less of this thread now. I'd never 'claim' an abandoned car, but I did take the trouble to contribute some facts, unlike the 'internet experts' who keep spouting b.s. about 'it's theft' or 'you'll be thrown in the tower when the idiot who left his car for years suddenly re-appears.Edited by bozmandb9 on Sunday 27th March 22:47
Ozzie Osmond said:
Although "finders keepers, losers weepers" is often quoted by those who claim rights over their discoveries, the recent case of Wiltshire couple Amanda and Michael Stacey shows it holds little sway in a court of law.
The husband and wife have been handed 11-month suspended sentences for cashing in a £30,000 lottery ticket found on a shop floor, and spending half of it. And on Friday they were ordered to repay the remaining £15,000, plus £111 in interest, to Dorothy McDonagh, who was able to prove she had bought the ticket.
At a hearing in April, defence lawyer Rob Ross told the court: "It is important for the public to know that 'Finders keepers, losers weepers' is not true and never was true."
In England and Wales, as well as in most other countries across the world, the onus is on the finder to take what the law describes as "reasonable steps" to track down the loser.
There is a difference to finding an old, unwanted car and finding the keys to a Porsche Caymen and presuming you can just take it! There is a way to claim unwanted/discarded property. If you can do it legally and safely, then why not? There are some useless, lazy, bill dodging idiots out there who would rather ignore their duty to pay bills and dispose of their property properly. Why should respectable people not be allowed to act within reason and the law?The husband and wife have been handed 11-month suspended sentences for cashing in a £30,000 lottery ticket found on a shop floor, and spending half of it. And on Friday they were ordered to repay the remaining £15,000, plus £111 in interest, to Dorothy McDonagh, who was able to prove she had bought the ticket.
At a hearing in April, defence lawyer Rob Ross told the court: "It is important for the public to know that 'Finders keepers, losers weepers' is not true and never was true."
In England and Wales, as well as in most other countries across the world, the onus is on the finder to take what the law describes as "reasonable steps" to track down the loser.
Angelus said:
There is a difference to finding an old, unwanted car and finding the keys to a Porsche Caymen and presuming you can just take it! There is a way to claim unwanted/discarded property. If you can do it legally and safely, then why not? There are some useless, lazy, bill dodging idiots out there who would rather ignore their duty to pay bills and dispose of their property properly. Why should respectable people not be allowed to act within reason and the law?
Off you go then, help yourself to an abandoned car. Although it's not immediately obvious to me how you will distinguish an "abandoned" car from a "parked" car.Remember that when the owner reports their car stolen it won't take the old bill very long to find you.
And if you think about, if some clown has abandoned their knackered car but then sees it being driven around they might just decide it was never abandoned at all.
bozmandb9 said:
jayfish said:
Surely the best bet is to say to yourself, that doesn't belong to me and it's none of my business.
God why do these quotes alway get these sanctimonious holier than thou responses.Don't get me wrong, I'm not likely to be claiming any old wrecks, but I do think it's far better for a car which is clearly abandoned, to go to a good home, rather than just be crushed. What is it with all these gits who just keep spouting on about 'it's theft pure and simple'. You're not even vaguely right, if you're going to be sanctimonious then for gods sake get your facts straight.
Theft is 'Dishonest misappropriation of another person's property with the intention to permanently deprive them of it's use' Try proving that when somebody claims an abandoned car. You'd struggle on the dishonest element, and the permanent part. The definition comes from Met Police training. In reality most of the cars being referred to here will never be reclaimed in any event.
By the way, a little message for the 'Don't get owt for nowt brigade', you are wrong. It happens all the time. I got given a Porsche 924, needed a little work, but did me proud for a while (long time ago). It's your attitude that means you don't get owt for nowt! Many of the posters here will end up with a car for next to nothing, and good luck to them!
Ozzie Osmond said:
Off you go then, help yourself to an abandoned car. Although it's not immediately obvious to me how you will distinguish an "abandoned" car from a "parked" car.
Remember that when the owner reports their car stolen it won't take the old bill very long to find you.
And if you think about, if some clown has abandoned their knackered car but then sees it being driven around they might just decide it was never abandoned at all.
I prefer to buy my new cars on the basis of value for money and my Porsches on the strength of the maintenance regime carried out and the previous owners attention to detail. Are you saying the posters on here who said they have claimed a motor are running the risk of having it confiscated?Remember that when the owner reports their car stolen it won't take the old bill very long to find you.
And if you think about, if some clown has abandoned their knackered car but then sees it being driven around they might just decide it was never abandoned at all.
I know we will not all agree on this, however I do agree you have a valid point of view. I can see why you would think that, but I think it would be worth following up if I really, really wanted the car. I am not trying to argue with you.
In an underground residential car park near me there sits a '95 E36 Beemer which looks in great bog standard nick apart from the thick layer of dust over all of it and it's 4 flat tyres.
Would make a perfect spare parts bin for my own E36
Reading through this old thread seems to say it's not possible to claim ownership. Shame if it is left to rot.
Cheers.
Would make a perfect spare parts bin for my own E36
Reading through this old thread seems to say it's not possible to claim ownership. Shame if it is left to rot.
Cheers.
So that's were it went, I'd typed a reply and the thread vanished
I know someone who came across an abandoned car in an underground carpark and on checking with the police it turned out it had been reported stolen several years earlier. Could well be the owner (who may well be an insurance company) doesn't know where it is. In which case they may be willing to sell it cheaply rather than pay for it to be recovered and fixed/scrapped.
I know someone who came across an abandoned car in an underground carpark and on checking with the police it turned out it had been reported stolen several years earlier. Could well be the owner (who may well be an insurance company) doesn't know where it is. In which case they may be willing to sell it cheaply rather than pay for it to be recovered and fixed/scrapped.
Right, after days/weeks reading endless threads about this there still seems to be no definitive answer as of yet.
I know of a car (03 plate) that has been left standing for 18 months now, here is a bit I have found out about the car
1) no tax (run out 01/12/2011)
2) only one registered keeper which was 2003-2007, since then it has had no RK
3) not stolen or recovered
4) no finance on it
5) police checked the car out about a year ago and it has no markers or interest to them
6) not declared SORN
7) not insured
8) not a write off
I have been to police and the LA neither of which have any interest on it, I have also sent a V888 to the DVLA to request the RK. if there is no RK I will send off the V62, if I get that then I will get the keys and so forth.
now this is the bit no one has an answer to, at what point will or can I become the owner not just the RK?
I understand I can sell it on as long as the next buyer knows how I got the car, could I just sell it to webuyanycar or to the scrap yard?
I know of a car (03 plate) that has been left standing for 18 months now, here is a bit I have found out about the car
1) no tax (run out 01/12/2011)
2) only one registered keeper which was 2003-2007, since then it has had no RK
3) not stolen or recovered
4) no finance on it
5) police checked the car out about a year ago and it has no markers or interest to them
6) not declared SORN
7) not insured
8) not a write off
I have been to police and the LA neither of which have any interest on it, I have also sent a V888 to the DVLA to request the RK. if there is no RK I will send off the V62, if I get that then I will get the keys and so forth.
now this is the bit no one has an answer to, at what point will or can I become the owner not just the RK?
I understand I can sell it on as long as the next buyer knows how I got the car, could I just sell it to webuyanycar or to the scrap yard?
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