RE: Met Police invests in new chase car
Discussion
andy.shent said:
Looks like the only vehicle to use for the next armed robbery then is that JCB diesel twin engined turbo thingy, That would show it a clean pair of heels as you dissapeared in to the distance....Vroooooom!!
As they say nothing is a quick as radio, wouldnt want to be in the JCB with a stinger thrown in front of it
bluejj said:
XTR2Turbo said:
I think this idea of Police putting their name on fast cars is just pathetic. Last we had the Lambo and now this.
If they want to win the hearts and minds of motorists then start talking sense on policy, avoid double standards when driving and act as public servants again.
Whilst I'm on a rant why do so many of the city of London Police seem to need to drive around in big expensive BMWs and Range Rovers? What message does this send to your average impoverished inner city criminal or indeed law abiding tax paying citizen. What's wrong with the Astras, Fiesta's, Clios, Puntos and equivalent that most European police forces seem to make use of. It's well known that Police forces are bad at directing and managing resource but to me this just sends the message that Police are more interested in looking after themselves than doing their basic job.
If they want to win the hearts and minds of motorists then start talking sense on policy, avoid double standards when driving and act as public servants again.
Whilst I'm on a rant why do so many of the city of London Police seem to need to drive around in big expensive BMWs and Range Rovers? What message does this send to your average impoverished inner city criminal or indeed law abiding tax paying citizen. What's wrong with the Astras, Fiesta's, Clios, Puntos and equivalent that most European police forces seem to make use of. It's well known that Police forces are bad at directing and managing resource but to me this just sends the message that Police are more interested in looking after themselves than doing their basic job.
Edited by XTR2Turbo on Monday 4th September 17:10
Some one needs a humour transplant!! lighten up or find a darkened room.
He has a point though our cops love range rovers too you know the ones that tip over if you ask them to turn quickly. Why use an unstable vechicle thats likely to see high speeds? at least an omega or volvo is half sensible
Funny article, but I kind of agree with XTR2 about the Range Rovers and Beamers. I even saw an E-Class Sport the other day. What is the point in that? The majority of people they chase are in old bangers anyway, and when they need to get to an emergency, the traffic is always so bad they can never get up to anything over about 100-20 at the most, unless it's the middle of the night. IIRC, the Sport versions don't have any engine mods anyway, just tweaked looks (maybe lowered suspension and spoiler?)
There's nothing the RR can do on the road that a Discovery can't anyway, except be more comfortable. When they're traffic police, with the Government always going on about 'Chelsea Tractors', I don't see why they don't use Volvos for both saloons and estates. The estate would replace the RR, and the saloon the BMWs etc. When a new version of whatever car comes out, the coppers get it within a year anyway. Ridiculous. [/rant over]
There's nothing the RR can do on the road that a Discovery can't anyway, except be more comfortable. When they're traffic police, with the Government always going on about 'Chelsea Tractors', I don't see why they don't use Volvos for both saloons and estates. The estate would replace the RR, and the saloon the BMWs etc. When a new version of whatever car comes out, the coppers get it within a year anyway. Ridiculous. [/rant over]
Where does humour come into this. Are Police paid to be funny? Sorry officer I was doing 36 in a 30 zone - can't you have a laugh at that ?
Some one needs a humour transplant!! lighten up or find a darkened room.
bluejj said:
XTR2Turbo said:
I think this idea of Police putting their name on fast cars is just pathetic. Last we had the Lambo and now this.
If they want to win the hearts and minds of motorists then start talking sense on policy, avoid double standards when driving and act as public servants again.
Whilst I'm on a rant why do so many of the city of London Police seem to need to drive around in big expensive BMWs and Range Rovers? What message does this send to your average impoverished inner city criminal or indeed law abiding tax paying citizen. What's wrong with the Astras, Fiesta's, Clios, Puntos and equivalent that most European police forces seem to make use of. It's well known that Police forces are bad at directing and managing resource but to me this just sends the message that Police are more interested in looking after themselves than doing their basic job.
If they want to win the hearts and minds of motorists then start talking sense on policy, avoid double standards when driving and act as public servants again.
Whilst I'm on a rant why do so many of the city of London Police seem to need to drive around in big expensive BMWs and Range Rovers? What message does this send to your average impoverished inner city criminal or indeed law abiding tax paying citizen. What's wrong with the Astras, Fiesta's, Clios, Puntos and equivalent that most European police forces seem to make use of. It's well known that Police forces are bad at directing and managing resource but to me this just sends the message that Police are more interested in looking after themselves than doing their basic job.
Edited by XTR2Turbo on Monday 4th September 17:10
Some one needs a humour transplant!! lighten up or find a darkened room.
Edited by XTR2Turbo on Monday 4th September 20:48
A humuor transplant? The guy is absolutely right. The police should spend their PR budget convincing us they are doing their best job with our best interests and not that they're just out to get traffic violation and speeding apprehension quotas up.
In any case, they don't need a car like that. Didn't some tit-copper get caught doing 160 'testing' out his nick wagon - and nearly got away with it. No wonder the public hates the police.
In any case, they don't need a car like that. Didn't some tit-copper get caught doing 160 'testing' out his nick wagon - and nearly got away with it. No wonder the public hates the police.
covert-jouster said:
A humuor transplant? The guy is absolutely right. The police should spend their PR budget convincing us they are doing their best job with our best interests and not that they're just out to get traffic violation and speeding apprehension quotas up.
In any case, they don't need a car like that. Didn't some tit-copper get caught doing 160 'testing' out his nick wagon - and nearly got away with it. No wonder the public hates the police.
In any case, they don't need a car like that. Didn't some tit-copper get caught doing 160 'testing' out his nick wagon - and nearly got away with it. No wonder the public hates the police.
Firstly the copper doing 160 mph did get away with it not even a single penalty point.
To be honest its a nice bit of PR I doubt if the Met had to pay a penny for it as Renault I am guessing would see the Police as a very good potential high buyer of new cars.
Racingdude009 said:
Firstly the copper doing 160 mph did get away with it not even a single penalty point.
To be honest its a nice bit of PR I doubt if the Met had to pay a penny for it as Renault I am guessing would see the Police as a very good potential high buyer of new cars.
He didn't get away with it, he got a dangerous driving conviction. That's going to have an effect on his life, insurance premiums for starters are going to take a hike.
It isn't finished with yet anyway, there is an appeal to be heard.
Edited by vonhosen on Tuesday 5th September 06:52
lord summerisle said:
i know some of you guys are new... but did you miss the little post script below? "Thanks to PHer Lambo Cop for the images"
as in a member of the board... who for his sins is a copper...
same chap who took flak from some for the lambo cop car
as in a member of the board... who for his sins is a copper...
same chap who took flak from some for the lambo cop car
Obviously likes taking flak - surely he can't think this sort of thing will attract anything positive.
Edited by XTR2Turbo on Tuesday 5th September 09:54
The reason they often buy Range Rovers and BMW's is that they get a good discount off them and they also hold their value well so that the TCO is often lower than buying "budget" cars.
They need the RR's (Or other 4x4's) on the motorways to move HGV's and other large vehicles off the carriageways if there has been an accident or break down. You wouldn't be able to do that in an Omega!
I think this is a bit of fun! Much better than what the Scamera Partnerships come up with!
They need the RR's (Or other 4x4's) on the motorways to move HGV's and other large vehicles off the carriageways if there has been an accident or break down. You wouldn't be able to do that in an Omega!
I think this is a bit of fun! Much better than what the Scamera Partnerships come up with!
pmanson said:
The reason they often buy Range Rovers and BMW's is that they get a good discount off them and they also hold their value well so that the TCO is often lower than buying "budget" cars.
They need the RR's (Or other 4x4's) on the motorways to move HGV's and other large vehicles off the carriageways if there has been an accident or break down. You wouldn't be able to do that in an Omega!
I think this is a bit of fun! Much better than what the Scamera Partnerships come up with!
They need the RR's (Or other 4x4's) on the motorways to move HGV's and other large vehicles off the carriageways if there has been an accident or break down. You wouldn't be able to do that in an Omega!
I think this is a bit of fun! Much better than what the Scamera Partnerships come up with!
You can get a new manual diesel discovery for £24k retail. It has very close to the same depreciation curve as the RR. Can't see how any TCO could support a car costing almost twice the price.
XTR2Turbo said:
pmanson said:
The reason they often buy Range Rovers and BMW's is that they get a good discount off them and they also hold their value well so that the TCO is often lower than buying "budget" cars.
They need the RR's (Or other 4x4's) on the motorways to move HGV's and other large vehicles off the carriageways if there has been an accident or break down. You wouldn't be able to do that in an Omega!
I think this is a bit of fun! Much better than what the Scamera Partnerships come up with!
They need the RR's (Or other 4x4's) on the motorways to move HGV's and other large vehicles off the carriageways if there has been an accident or break down. You wouldn't be able to do that in an Omega!
I think this is a bit of fun! Much better than what the Scamera Partnerships come up with!
You can get a new manual diesel discovery for £24k retail. It has very close to the same depreciation curve as the RR. Can't see how any TCO could support a car costing almost twice the price.
I don't know enough about RR and Discovery's so can you tell me if the Discovery has the same "towing" capabilities as a RR? eg. Is a Discovery capable of pulling a large lorry of a carriageway?
Lambo Cop I think you may miss the point.
I assume you are a traffic cop and no doubt do your job very well and are passionate about it and of course I appreciate what you do but I think you are missing the bigger picture points being made.
1) The irony of PR based on using high profile and fast cars when the Police as a whole (perhaps not you) seem to have bought this whole speed is the end of the world nonesense.
2) This country's police now appear to have a completely disproportionate fixation with car related activities (and predominantly speed aspects)at the expense of other possibly more important crimes.
I don't have stats but this is just the impression that I and many others have based on our contact with the police on crimes such as burglary, safety on the streets vs the energy that goes in to trying to extract 3 points and 60 quid from a Scamera.
I am certainly not anti police but it is becoming increasingly difficult to be unconditionally and wholly supportive and not cynical - in large part because of the policies directed towards motorists
I have no doubt that there is a side to the force we don't see and lots of good work being done - so please put energy into explaining and promoting that.
I assume you are a traffic cop and no doubt do your job very well and are passionate about it and of course I appreciate what you do but I think you are missing the bigger picture points being made.
1) The irony of PR based on using high profile and fast cars when the Police as a whole (perhaps not you) seem to have bought this whole speed is the end of the world nonesense.
2) This country's police now appear to have a completely disproportionate fixation with car related activities (and predominantly speed aspects)at the expense of other possibly more important crimes.
I don't have stats but this is just the impression that I and many others have based on our contact with the police on crimes such as burglary, safety on the streets vs the energy that goes in to trying to extract 3 points and 60 quid from a Scamera.
I am certainly not anti police but it is becoming increasingly difficult to be unconditionally and wholly supportive and not cynical - in large part because of the policies directed towards motorists
I have no doubt that there is a side to the force we don't see and lots of good work being done - so please put energy into explaining and promoting that.
lambo cop said:
Okay, once again I see the lets thang the Police club have inputted on PH...
FIRST...This car was put together for FREE there was not one penny of Tax payers money put into the car. All officers worked the day on Sunday as a normal tour of duty working very long hours to promote road safety.
The display again was very popular and a lot of information was provided about new child seat belt laws coming into effect later this month. Thousands.....and I mean thousands of child road safety books were handed out to children and every topic of road safety was discussed and answered honestly by all officers present. Included were our views on speeding, scameras etc etc........
Onto cars.....The Ph'ers that have met me on tunnel runs, various motor shows, etc have been shown every aspect of the Traffic car. The car carries a load of equipment in the boot...thus an estate is needed. The amount of electronic equipment that is now installed in traffic cars....ANPR, Pilot, Provida, MDT etc, needs larger vehicle to A, carry the backup equipment such as computer and B, The extra drain on the electrics so a second battery needs to be carried. All this will not fit in a smaller car. Besides in the case of the Met if you buy 100's of BMW's you get a serious discount.
As for all those who support us in traffic displays Thankyou, and to those who come and say hello I hope you can put the negative club in their place. If all goes well we will be at MPH Earls Court, with something special which will not cost the tax payer anything as sponsorship is 90% confirmed.
To finish I would like to thank all at Renault F1 Team for their help, to Jon for his designs, Ken and Graham for their help on Sunday. To Sarah K for her contact that got the project going and then all your efforts from start to finish. Thankyou
FIRST...This car was put together for FREE there was not one penny of Tax payers money put into the car. All officers worked the day on Sunday as a normal tour of duty working very long hours to promote road safety.
The display again was very popular and a lot of information was provided about new child seat belt laws coming into effect later this month. Thousands.....and I mean thousands of child road safety books were handed out to children and every topic of road safety was discussed and answered honestly by all officers present. Included were our views on speeding, scameras etc etc........
Onto cars.....The Ph'ers that have met me on tunnel runs, various motor shows, etc have been shown every aspect of the Traffic car. The car carries a load of equipment in the boot...thus an estate is needed. The amount of electronic equipment that is now installed in traffic cars....ANPR, Pilot, Provida, MDT etc, needs larger vehicle to A, carry the backup equipment such as computer and B, The extra drain on the electrics so a second battery needs to be carried. All this will not fit in a smaller car. Besides in the case of the Met if you buy 100's of BMW's you get a serious discount.
As for all those who support us in traffic displays Thankyou, and to those who come and say hello I hope you can put the negative club in their place. If all goes well we will be at MPH Earls Court, with something special which will not cost the tax payer anything as sponsorship is 90% confirmed.
To finish I would like to thank all at Renault F1 Team for their help, to Jon for his designs, Ken and Graham for their help on Sunday. To Sarah K for her contact that got the project going and then all your efforts from start to finish. Thankyou
Yes a disco and RR would have almost identical capabilities. And if a heavy load probably best to winch anyway.
You can get a new manual diesel discovery for £24k retail. It has very close to the same depreciation curve as the RR. Can't see how any TCO could support a car costing almost twice the price.
I don't know enough about RR and Discovery's so can you tell me if the Discovery has the same "towing" capabilities as a RR? eg. Is a Discovery capable of pulling a large lorry of a carriageway?
pmanson said:
XTR2Turbo said:
pmanson said:
The reason they often buy Range Rovers and BMW's is that they get a good discount off them and they also hold their value well so that the TCO is often lower than buying "budget" cars.
They need the RR's (Or other 4x4's) on the motorways to move HGV's and other large vehicles off the carriageways if there has been an accident or break down. You wouldn't be able to do that in an Omega!
I think this is a bit of fun! Much better than what the Scamera Partnerships come up with!
They need the RR's (Or other 4x4's) on the motorways to move HGV's and other large vehicles off the carriageways if there has been an accident or break down. You wouldn't be able to do that in an Omega!
I think this is a bit of fun! Much better than what the Scamera Partnerships come up with!
You can get a new manual diesel discovery for £24k retail. It has very close to the same depreciation curve as the RR. Can't see how any TCO could support a car costing almost twice the price.
I don't know enough about RR and Discovery's so can you tell me if the Discovery has the same "towing" capabilities as a RR? eg. Is a Discovery capable of pulling a large lorry of a carriageway?
LamboCop thank you for your answer and expanding on the points debated - some good content in there. Unfortunately on one material point we do disagree and that is on your view of public perception of police attitudes to motorists and (perhaps through the police force's lack of debate and honesty of the facts) implicit endorsement of a failed policy.
Regretably I personally think that the worst side effect is that the police are at real risk of loosing public support and doing long term damage to their status through their role in enforcing the simplistic speed kills measures.
Regretably I personally think that the worst side effect is that the police are at real risk of loosing public support and doing long term damage to their status through their role in enforcing the simplistic speed kills measures.
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