Rising bollards destroy vehicles, injure drivers!
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Those ones on YouTube do look like the people are sat waiting then try and shoot through as fast as they can.
Without knowing how well signposted they are etc.. it is difficult to say if you ought to get hit by them or not. Consider sitting in traffic, a bus doesn't half block out your view, it could be very easy to not spot the warning signs.. Much the same as 3-4 Artics on the inside lane of the motorway can obscure signs..
Without knowing how well signposted they are etc.. it is difficult to say if you ought to get hit by them or not. Consider sitting in traffic, a bus doesn't half block out your view, it could be very easy to not spot the warning signs.. Much the same as 3-4 Artics on the inside lane of the motorway can obscure signs..
jasandjules said:
Without knowing how well signposted they are etc.. it is difficult to say if you ought to get hit by them or not. Consider sitting in traffic, a bus doesn't half block out your view, it could be very easy to not spot the warning signs.. Much the same as 3-4 Artics on the inside lane of the motorway can obscure signs..
Look at the opening scene ,, LED or some sort of iluminated signs on either side of the road
outnumbered said:
The Hitman said:
That was my intial thought too but then I thought about it. If I'm in an area thats unfamiliar I look out for road signs and markings. Those Bbollards are clearly visable as there are signs and the bollards themselves have yellow strips on them so that shouldn't be a problem. They could make in even more visable but its already pretty easy to see.
If the bus was parked there when you arrived, you wouldn't see the bollards at all.
And your excuse for totally failing to see the two HUGE NO ENTRY signs at either side of the road? My suggestion is that if someone cannot notice these No Entry signs, more so if they're sat waiting behind a stationary bus, then perhaps they shouldn't be at the wheel of a car in the first place?
Again, all these people who are against the bollards, what is your opinion towards barriers in car parks, because a similar thing can happen if you tailgate someone through them. This point has been raised numerous times now and I've yet to see an answer.
I agree, if sat behind a bus waiting for it to move off it would be very easy not to spot the signs. If there is a significant problem with motorists running into these things then they should look carefully at the reasons. Would someone who know they were there seriously attempt to get across them with a child in the car?
In principle these things are a very bad idea. They are an artificially created hazard in what otherwise looks like a perfectly normal piece of road, and that can't be a good way to engineer in road safety.
This is a couple of bollards appearing out of nowhere in the middle of an otherwise normal looking piece of road. Hardly the same thing, IMHO.
I don't think the signs are that visible (the one on the right is lost against the shops), and if you check the video at the start you'll also notice that the row of parked cars on the right have clearly come from that direction - a visual cue that might have as much influence on a driver as a neon sign.
And why would the courier driver not expect to be able to follow the Post Office van though (if he missed the signs) - inner Manchester is hardly rural, so its a stretch to consider it a bus in that context.
In principle these things are a very bad idea. They are an artificially created hazard in what otherwise looks like a perfectly normal piece of road, and that can't be a good way to engineer in road safety.
Oakey said:
Again, all these people who are against the bollards, what is your opinion towards barriers in car parks, because a similar thing can happen if you tailgate someone through them. This point has been raised numerous times now and I've yet to see an answer.
I've yet to see someone attempt to enter a bollard restricted car park at 30mph; the entrances tend to have things like restricted openings, high concrete kerbs, large yellow boxes housing the barrier mechanism, and lots of highly visible signeage. And they are car parks; its pretty common for car park entrances to have barriers. This is a couple of bollards appearing out of nowhere in the middle of an otherwise normal looking piece of road. Hardly the same thing, IMHO.
I don't think the signs are that visible (the one on the right is lost against the shops), and if you check the video at the start you'll also notice that the row of parked cars on the right have clearly come from that direction - a visual cue that might have as much influence on a driver as a neon sign.
And why would the courier driver not expect to be able to follow the Post Office van though (if he missed the signs) - inner Manchester is hardly rural, so its a stretch to consider it a bus in that context.
Edited by victormeldrew on Monday 23 October 17:58
victormeldrew said:
I've yet to see someone attempt to enter a bollard restricted car park at 30mph; the entrances tend to have things like restricted openings, high concrete kerbs, large yellow boxes housing the barrier mechanism, and lots of highly visible signeage. And they are car parks; its pretty common for car park entrances to have barriers.
This is a couple of bollards appearing out of nowhere in the middle of an otherwise normal looking piece of road. Hardly the same thing, IMHO.
This is a couple of bollards appearing out of nowhere in the middle of an otherwise normal looking piece of road. Hardly the same thing, IMHO.
No, they don't 'appear out of nowhere', the bollards are ALWAYS there UNLESS an authorised vehicle has approached them. I think you are clearly mistaken as to what is happening here. People are not merrily driving along at 30mph and these bollards springing up in their path and causing them to crash.
Those signs are posted at either side of the road, it is not difficult to see them in the slightest, as someone already said you would have to be blind to miss them. The bollards themselves have brigth yellow bands around them, they also have led's I believe (ours do at least).
Edited by Oakey on Monday 23 October 18:15
Shocking, can't believe they actually thought they could get through. The guy in the Kia is a 
ing idiot, especially with his own daughter in the car. Its so blatent he speeds up, quite a bit, just before he gets to the bollard.
No sympathy whatsoever.
And to that Starlet driver who said that the warning signs weren't clear enough -
ing idiot, especially with his own daughter in the car. Its so blatent he speeds up, quite a bit, just before he gets to the bollard. No sympathy whatsoever.
And to that Starlet driver who said that the warning signs weren't clear enough -
I have read all the posts (pardon the pun) on this thread with interest, and still didnt know what I thought about it, those for and those against, and I was swayed each way with each post.
Then I watched the footage.
Complete total utter tts the lot of them, I have no sympathy whatsoever for them.
Then I watched the footage.
Complete total utter t
ts the lot of them, I have no sympathy whatsoever for them.FastShow said:
Ugh, fair enough then, it's obviously perfectly OK to booby-trap the public highways to injure people and destroy their cars, as long as they were doing something wrong at the time. Here's looking forward to deliberately placed traps in the road that trigger when you exceed the speed limit by a couple of miles per hour, writing off your car and injuring you and your family. After all, it's your own fault for breaking the law.
What about the passengers in all of the cars seen in the clips? I suppose they deserved to be injured too because they chose to ride with a dozy driver, right? The hypocrisy here is astonishing.
What about the passengers in all of the cars seen in the clips? I suppose they deserved to be injured too because they chose to ride with a dozy driver, right? The hypocrisy here is astonishing.
Don't be daft. These bollards are put at the beginning of restricted zones and they have clearly marked signs warning of the consequences of tailgating vehicles into the zone. If you then insist on ignoring the signs then you get what you deserve. It's no different from the "teeth" that you get on the exits to carparks or for that matter a level crossing barrier.
love machine said:
emicen said:
cars getting impaled on the buslane bollards.
You're
ing serious? I'd be driving around with a big arc welder welding them down with a sod off great big 200 amp current and 12mm penetration. Since a 7.5 ton lorry wont shift them, I imagine they will have great fun trying to sort it out. These things sound like the next speed camera. Coercion via gagetry isn't very English or sporting. By all means impose a heavy fine.... What's next, Robocop?
Serious question, what powers these things up and down. Is it an 18 ton hydraulic ram or a single phase, small motor?
Edited by love machine on Monday 23 October 15:36
What's your problem? Do you think that you should just be able to drive through a bus/pedestrian zone if you feel like it?
mondeohdear said:
a level crossing barrier.
Absolutely a spot on analogy, are these the same folks that go through a crossing as the lights flash, the sirens wail and the barriers come down? No, to be fair, they arent, that would clearly be a danger to their life and limb and they wouldnt be daft enough to do that. But in principle this is still very much the same, it's just without that element of actually risking life & limb, which is why they 'decide' to take the risk. Edited by Balmoral Green on Monday 23 October 19:32
outnumbered said:
Admittedly all those drivers looked like they were chancing it and trying to drive through even though they knew about the bollards, so I don't have much sympathy.
BUT: Suppose you're not local. You don't know the town centre well, you're lost, the missus is giving you grief because you've criticised her map reading, the kids in the back are fighting, all in all you're a bit distracted. You're stopped behind a stationary bus, it moves away and you follow it. And end up 3 feet in the air because you missed the no entry sign. That sounds less fair, doesn't it ?
This was posted the other day as well, and DeR made an excellent point, that the local council won't let him put "dangerous" anti-theft measures around his business premises, even though you'd have to be doing something illegal to be injured by them. But the bollards are OK ??
If you ignore two bloody great no entry signs then you are obviously driving without due care and attention
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Edited by mondeohdear on Monday 23 October 19:53
outnumbered said:
The Hitman said:
That was my intial thought too but then I thought about it. If I'm in an area thats unfamiliar I look out for road signs and markings. Those Bbollards are clearly visable as there are signs and the bollards themselves have yellow strips on them so that shouldn't be a problem. They could make in even more visable but its already pretty easy to see.
If the bus was parked there when you arrived, you wouldn't see the bollards at all. You just have to miss the sign... It seems possible to me to get speared as a result of an innocent mistake - maybe not likely, but possible nonetheless.
Those people were all accelerating to get as close to the bs as possible to get through. They didn't just miss them
.victormeldrew said:
I agree, if sat behind a bus waiting for it to move off it would be very easy not to spot the signs. If there is a significant problem with motorists running into these things then they should look carefully at the reasons. Would someone who know they were there seriously attempt to get across them with a child in the car?
In principle these things are a very bad idea. They are an artificially created hazard in what otherwise looks like a perfectly normal piece of road, and that can't be a good way to engineer in road safety.
This is a couple of bollards appearing out of nowhere in the middle of an otherwise normal looking piece of road. Hardly the same thing, IMHO.
I don't think the signs are that visible (the one on the right is lost against the shops), and if you check the video at the start you'll also notice that the row of parked cars on the right have clearly come from that direction - a visual cue that might have as much influence on a driver as a neon sign.
And why would the courier driver not expect to be able to follow the Post Office van though (if he missed the signs) - inner Manchester is hardly rural, so its a stretch to consider it a bus in that context.
In principle these things are a very bad idea. They are an artificially created hazard in what otherwise looks like a perfectly normal piece of road, and that can't be a good way to engineer in road safety.
Oakey said:
Again, all these people who are against the bollards, what is your opinion towards barriers in car parks, because a similar thing can happen if you tailgate someone through them. This point has been raised numerous times now and I've yet to see an answer.
I've yet to see someone attempt to enter a bollard restricted car park at 30mph; the entrances tend to have things like restricted openings, high concrete kerbs, large yellow boxes housing the barrier mechanism, and lots of highly visible signeage. And they are car parks; its pretty common for car park entrances to have barriers. This is a couple of bollards appearing out of nowhere in the middle of an otherwise normal looking piece of road. Hardly the same thing, IMHO.
I don't think the signs are that visible (the one on the right is lost against the shops), and if you check the video at the start you'll also notice that the row of parked cars on the right have clearly come from that direction - a visual cue that might have as much influence on a driver as a neon sign.
And why would the courier driver not expect to be able to follow the Post Office van though (if he missed the signs) - inner Manchester is hardly rural, so its a stretch to consider it a bus in that context.
Edited by victormeldrew on Monday 23 October 17:58
If you're stuck behind the bus at the start of one of these zones I would have thought that you would have noticed that all the other cars had mysteriously disappeared around the corner behind you. They put these down short slip roads normally that have signs normally saying straight ahead buses only or such like language. You get plenty of clues.
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