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steverod said:
My god! Gyrock!!! Thank god you saved the day! Otherwise your fabulous 'M' powered super-duper space rocket/Almost an F1 car, poncemobile, might have been doomed...never mind...you would still have been able to park it legally anywhere in the civilised world (usually in a 'disabled' parking bay).."It's OK,honestly!..It's a really sought after BEEMER!!!so I can park anywhere OK!!!"
Please grow up and buy an AUDI - The thinking mans BMW!
Please grow up and buy an AUDI - The thinking mans BMW!
...says the man whose website has a photo of a beemer on it:
www.sws.co.uk/gdoors.asp
Edited by jacobyte on Friday 3rd November 11:47
lenny007 said:
Sounds like Gyrock has found that most rare of breeds in our country these days - an honest and helpful person willing to admit a mistake.
Reading through the thread I could see this becoming a long drawn out process, with a one month later scenario...car still not back on road, liability still in question etc,etc. Having been down a similar road that involved claiming against a company for damage to my car and getting caught up in a blame swapping exercise I was beginning to wince for you and you would have had my sympathy thats for sure. Aside from the obvious pain at seeing you P&J damaged at least it is on the road to being resolved.. makes me dissapointed though that we expect the worst in these sort of situations and quite often recieve it, just occasionally there is an occasion which helps restore our faith.
steverod said:
My god! Gyrock!!! Thank god you saved the day! Otherwise your fabulous 'M' powered super-duper space rocket/Almost an F1 car, poncemobile, might have been doomed...never mind...you would still have been able to park it legally anywhere in the civilised world (usually in a 'disabled' parking bay).."It's OK,honestly!..It's a really sought after BEEMER!!!so I can park anywhere OK!!!"
Please grow up and buy an AUDI - The thinking mans BMW!
Please grow up and buy an AUDI - The thinking mans BMW!
grow up you say, after a load of childish crap like that?!!!!
mdm123 said:
in work (super market filling station) were not allowed to to sell any fuel if the tank is below 3000 litres this is for a small 20,000 litre tank like super unleaded. (it around 5000 for a bigger tank with a capacity of say 74,000) what will have probably happened is that they have went way under the safety mark, you'll have probably not got any fuel at all, just 40 litres of water,
I would imagine there is a 'sump' at the bottom of the storage tank below the fuel take off pipe (where the fuel is pumped from the tank) to catch water and sediment, and the minimum quantity you refer to is so any floaters' on the top of the fuel do not get sucked up the outlet pipe.
If you were to have fuel pumped directly from the bottom of the tank it would always take the water first as it is heavier than fuel.
Hope it all pans out, good that the garage have admitted it, if they're insured for this kind of thing then it shouldn't really be a major issue for them. Personally I would be expecting a new engine, rather than a 'good cleaning' of the old one, in case there are future problems waiting that you would end up paying for. I'd also check if there are any warranty issues you need to be aware of eg if something now goes wrong with the engine, you don't want BMW blaming it on this incident.
Gorgeous car too.
Gorgeous car too.
steverod said:
My god! Gyrock!!! Thank god you saved the day! Otherwise your fabulous 'M' powered super-duper space rocket/Almost an F1 car, poncemobile, might have been doomed...never mind...you would still have been able to park it legally anywhere in the civilised world (usually in a 'disabled' parking bay).."It's OK,honestly!..It's a really sought after BEEMER!!!so I can park anywhere OK!!!"
Please grow up and buy an AUDI - The thinking mans BMW!
Please grow up and buy an AUDI - The thinking mans BMW!
cymtriks said:
Tunku said:
cymtriks said:
It's very common for some water to be at the bottom of ANY petrol tank
I never had Any water, or anything else in the tanks of my +300,000 mile Volvos, so I can't see how any other car could.
Your experience isn't everyones, that's why you can't understand how it could happen.
Just read some of the posts regarding filling station tanks! Water is in the supply chain. Condensation inside the tank can cause water to accumulate. The air goes into the tank, condenses and gets trapped under the petrol.
If I'm wrong why do Haynes manuals advise putting alcohol into tanks to stop the acumulated water from freezing? I've never bothered and have had no problems but there must be some reason for this.
I know people who have inadvertently got tank fulls of water.
So why don't you believe me when I say that some water in a tank is common?
Tunku said:
The bottom of my 340,000 miler 740 was covered in a white. pure white nylon baffle and when I last looked in to replace the fuel pump at 300,000 the white was pristine. No gunge and no water. I've never seen water in any tank. Ever.
Not even in my Triumph 250 Trailblazer circa 1970. Old folks tale.
Not even in my Triumph 250 Trailblazer circa 1970. Old folks tale.
Again these cars are your limited experience, other people have problems and the supply chain is contaminated. Have any decent evidence that it's an old folks tale for ALL cars, not just the few that you've owned?
Its usually diesel tanks that sweat and fill with water, I've never found water (or crap) in a petrol tank. The tractors diesel tank however..... I think haynes, and indeed the older models owners manuals suggest adding a small quantity (up to 20%) of low octane petrol to the diesel, or parrafin however apparently this is illegal in this country.
This is also why diesels have a drain tap to periodically drain off the water.
Not saying you can't get water in a petrol cars tank mind....
Murketts my dealer called today.
The garage's insurance company had phoned and given the go ahead for the work to commence.
The list includes filters, injectors, fuel lines and cats. The only items the loss adjusters are unhappy about replacing are the tank itself and the spark plugs. They reckon a jet wash should sort the tank and I haven't a clue about why the spark plugs might be a problem. I guess the LA has to do some work on keeping costs down.
I suppose I can't blame him, the total bill is for repairs is £4300, and that excludes a full tank of lovely Shell VPower....none of that Ultimate rubbish thank you very much
Overall, obviously I'm thoroughly pissed off that this has happened in the first place, but at least those at fault admitted their liability and the insurance companies have done their job, surprisingly swiftly it seems....but I can't help thinking 'Mr BP' might have had some input....
The garage's insurance company had phoned and given the go ahead for the work to commence.
The list includes filters, injectors, fuel lines and cats. The only items the loss adjusters are unhappy about replacing are the tank itself and the spark plugs. They reckon a jet wash should sort the tank and I haven't a clue about why the spark plugs might be a problem. I guess the LA has to do some work on keeping costs down.
I suppose I can't blame him, the total bill is for repairs is £4300, and that excludes a full tank of lovely Shell VPower....none of that Ultimate rubbish thank you very much
Overall, obviously I'm thoroughly pissed off that this has happened in the first place, but at least those at fault admitted their liability and the insurance companies have done their job, surprisingly swiftly it seems....but I can't help thinking 'Mr BP' might have had some input....
Good God that is one hell of a story. (having read all of it just now)
What misfortune, So glad to hear that the repair work is going ahead for you. That is a stunning looking car you have there sir and I hope it is as god damn good as it looks. Hope it is fixed without a hitch and you are back on the road very soon enjoying such a great car. Nice colour too, it suits it.
Good Luck Gyrock,
johnny
What misfortune, So glad to hear that the repair work is going ahead for you. That is a stunning looking car you have there sir and I hope it is as god damn good as it looks. Hope it is fixed without a hitch and you are back on the road very soon enjoying such a great car. Nice colour too, it suits it.
Good Luck Gyrock,
johnny
Nice one. I don't mean to worry you but I would still question if any damage has been done to the engine in those few seconds of running.
If you plan to keep the car out of warranty i would see if it's possible to get some sort of agreement drawn up with regards to any future problems that may happen, that could have been caused by this incident.
Its a brand new high performance engine, and can you be sure that 'they' are sure no damage has been done? If it goes pop in 3 yrs and 1 months time ( or whenever the warranty expires) it's a nice bit of business for the dealer.
Just thought i would express the concerns I would have if it was my pride and joy. (and i'm a cautious kind of guy!)
If you plan to keep the car out of warranty i would see if it's possible to get some sort of agreement drawn up with regards to any future problems that may happen, that could have been caused by this incident.
Its a brand new high performance engine, and can you be sure that 'they' are sure no damage has been done? If it goes pop in 3 yrs and 1 months time ( or whenever the warranty expires) it's a nice bit of business for the dealer.
Just thought i would express the concerns I would have if it was my pride and joy. (and i'm a cautious kind of guy!)
chris1roll said:
cymtriks said:
Tunku said:
cymtriks said:
It's very common for some water to be at the bottom of ANY petrol tank
I never had Any water, or anything else in the tanks of my +300,000 mile Volvos, so I can't see how any other car could.
Your experience isn't everyones, that's why you can't understand how it could happen.
Just read some of the posts regarding filling station tanks! Water is in the supply chain. Condensation inside the tank can cause water to accumulate. The air goes into the tank, condenses and gets trapped under the petrol.
If I'm wrong why do Haynes manuals advise putting alcohol into tanks to stop the acumulated water from freezing? I've never bothered and have had no problems but there must be some reason for this.
I know people who have inadvertently got tank fulls of water.
So why don't you believe me when I say that some water in a tank is common?
Tunku said:
The bottom of my 340,000 miler 740 was covered in a white. pure white nylon baffle and when I last looked in to replace the fuel pump at 300,000 the white was pristine. No gunge and no water. I've never seen water in any tank. Ever.
Not even in my Triumph 250 Trailblazer circa 1970. Old folks tale.
Not even in my Triumph 250 Trailblazer circa 1970. Old folks tale.
Again these cars are your limited experience, other people have problems and the supply chain is contaminated. Have any decent evidence that it's an old folks tale for ALL cars, not just the few that you've owned?
Its usually diesel tanks that sweat and fill with water, I've never found water (or crap) in a petrol tank. The tractors diesel tank however..... I think haynes, and indeed the older models owners manuals suggest adding a small quantity (up to 20%) of low octane petrol to the diesel, or parrafin however apparently this is illegal in this country.
This is also why diesels have a drain tap to periodically drain off the water.
Not saying you can't get water in a petrol cars tank mind....
Having stipped down a few old beetles in my time, I have found lots of crap in the petrol tanks, water and sedement. If it didn't happen we wouldn't need fuel filters!
A sobering tale. Remind me to *always* get a receipt of somekind even when paying with cash. Refreshing also to hear that for once a tale like this didnt end up in court involving lawyers and taking months!
BP garage on the A460 around Cannock eh? Ill avoid that one thanks, I tend to do my filling up round there either the Norton Caines services or the Sainsburys by the CAT works.
BP garage on the A460 around Cannock eh? Ill avoid that one thanks, I tend to do my filling up round there either the Norton Caines services or the Sainsburys by the CAT works.
Sorry to hear of your woes, but as others have said, it is heartening to hear of people putting their hand up when they're at fault...
I wish I'd read this thread a couple of years ago - I had the same experience on my motorbike. All was ok, until one day I ran low on fuel and switched to the reserve - engine died straight away. The dealer removed 2 litres of water from the tank. I assumed at the time that this was caused by a blocked tank nozzle drain causing rain water to leak into the tank. It had never happened before or since. The engine lasted 4 months before grenading itself... It never occurred to me that it might have been contaminated fuel... Coincidentally, the bike was a bmw...
I wish I'd read this thread a couple of years ago - I had the same experience on my motorbike. All was ok, until one day I ran low on fuel and switched to the reserve - engine died straight away. The dealer removed 2 litres of water from the tank. I assumed at the time that this was caused by a blocked tank nozzle drain causing rain water to leak into the tank. It had never happened before or since. The engine lasted 4 months before grenading itself... It never occurred to me that it might have been contaminated fuel... Coincidentally, the bike was a bmw...
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