Prostester advocating criminal damage to 4x4s
Discussion
GET A JOB!!!David Rose said:
'4x4s to be priced off the road'
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/01/12/nmotors12.xml
"Gas-guzzling sports cars, 4x4s and people carriers could be priced off the road within five years after a crackdown on carbon emissions to be announced by the European Commission this month.
The average new car in 2012 will have to emit no more than 120 grams of carbon per kilometre under proposals to be announced by Stavros Dimas, the European Environment Commissioner. The rule change could add more than £3,300 to the cost of a vehicle.
He said yesterday that they were needed because of the failure of European car makers to keep to a voluntary agreement signed in 1998 to reduce emissions by 25 per cent by 2008. They have managed 13 per cent and the agreement ends next year".
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/01/12/nmotors12.xml
"Gas-guzzling sports cars, 4x4s and people carriers could be priced off the road within five years after a crackdown on carbon emissions to be announced by the European Commission this month.
The average new car in 2012 will have to emit no more than 120 grams of carbon per kilometre under proposals to be announced by Stavros Dimas, the European Environment Commissioner. The rule change could add more than £3,300 to the cost of a vehicle.
He said yesterday that they were needed because of the failure of European car makers to keep to a voluntary agreement signed in 1998 to reduce emissions by 25 per cent by 2008. They have managed 13 per cent and the agreement ends next year".
I suggest that there is little evidence that 4X4s are a major factor in emissions other sources are probably much more potent (indeed I heard on the radio news the other day [as I sat in city centre traffic getting about 11 mpg from my magnificent Porsche 911] that flatulent cows were a bigger issue. I don't see you campaigning against cows farting? Perhaps you should? Yes, you and cows that makes sense to me), there is some doubt over the very existence and indeed causation of global warming (if such a phenomenon does exist it may well be part of the natural irreversible life cycle of the planet), as mentioned previously some 'low emissions' vehicles are believed to have a larger lifetime carbon footprint than your typical 4X4. To target 4x4 vehicles demonstrates a lack of judgement and understanding and appears to me to be motivated by the kind of resentment and jealousy born from under achievement. You are also wasting your fooking time. Let me have a little bet with you I wager that by the time you have finished your current course of studies (which I would also wager is not your first visit to higher education) and moved onto your next degree course / completely pointless, achievement free, public sector job (as advertised weekly in the Guardian which I assume you read and agree with) the streets of Bristol will be as full of 4x4s as they were when you started and will remain so for many years to come. How much you want to bet on that?
Can I also caution you that one day you might throw mud on a vehicle belonging to an irritable brickie with a hangover / your local friendly drug dealer / Vinnie Jones etc etc etc. You know the rest.
Finally allow me to point out that a businessman driving a £50k 4X4 will have done more for this country by generating jobs and wealth than you could possibly achieve by doing 4 degrees in social policy and throwing mud over 1000 vehicles. One of the biggets scourges which this country faces is the growing tide of political correctness, nanny statism and public sector employment for bearded under achievers
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I suggest that there is little evidence that 4X4s are a major factor in emissions other sources are probably much more potent (indeed I heard on the radio news the other day [as I sat in city centre traffic getting about 11 mpg from my magnificent Porsche 911] that flatulent cows were a bigger issue. I don't see you campaigning against cows farting? Perhaps you should? Yes, you and cows that makes sense to me), there is some doubt over the very existence and indeed causation of global warming (if such a phenomenon does exist it may well be part of the natural irreversible life cycle of the planet), as mentioned previously some 'low emissions' vehicles are believed to have a larger lifetime carbon footprint than your typical 4X4. To target 4x4 vehicles demonstrates a lack of judgement and understanding and appears to me to be motivated by the kind of resentment and jealousy born from under achievement. You are also wasting your fooking time. Let me have a little bet with you I wager that by the time you have finished your current course of studies (which I would also wager is not your first visit to higher education) and moved onto your next degree course / completely pointless, achievement free, public sector job (as advertised weekly in the Guardian which I assume you read and agree with) the streets of Bristol will be as full of 4x4s as they were when you started and will remain so for many years to come. How much you want to bet on that?
Can I also caution you that one day you might throw mud on a vehicle belonging to an irritable brickie with a hangover / your local friendly drug dealer / Vinnie Jones etc etc etc. You know the rest.
Finally allow me to point out that a businessman driving a £50k 4X4 will have done more for this country by generating jobs and wealth than you could possibly achieve by doing 4 degrees in social policy and throwing mud over 1000 vehicles. One of the biggets scourges which this country faces is the growing tide of political correctness, nanny statism and public sector employment for bearded under achievers
djohnson said:
David Rose said:
'4x4s to be priced off the road'
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/01/12/nmotors12.xml
"Gas-guzzling sports cars, 4x4s and people carriers could be priced off the road within five years after a crackdown on carbon emissions to be announced by the European Commission this month.
The average new car in 2012 will have to emit no more than 120 grams of carbon per kilometre under proposals to be announced by Stavros Dimas, the European Environment Commissioner. The rule change could add more than £3,300 to the cost of a vehicle.
He said yesterday that they were needed because of the failure of European car makers to keep to a voluntary agreement signed in 1998 to reduce emissions by 25 per cent by 2008. They have managed 13 per cent and the agreement ends next year".
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/01/12/nmotors12.xml
"Gas-guzzling sports cars, 4x4s and people carriers could be priced off the road within five years after a crackdown on carbon emissions to be announced by the European Commission this month.
The average new car in 2012 will have to emit no more than 120 grams of carbon per kilometre under proposals to be announced by Stavros Dimas, the European Environment Commissioner. The rule change could add more than £3,300 to the cost of a vehicle.
He said yesterday that they were needed because of the failure of European car makers to keep to a voluntary agreement signed in 1998 to reduce emissions by 25 per cent by 2008. They have managed 13 per cent and the agreement ends next year".
I suggest that there is little evidence that 4X4s are a major factor in emissions other sources are probably much more potent (indeed I heard on the radio news the other day [as I sat in city centre traffic getting about 11 mpg from my magnificent Porsche 911] that flatulent cows were a bigger issue. I don't see you campaigning against cows farting? Perhaps you should? Yes, you and cows that makes sense to me), there is some doubt over the very existence and indeed causation of global warming (if such a phenomenon does exist it may well be part of the natural irreversible life cycle of the planet), as mentioned previously some 'low emissions' vehicles are believed to have a larger lifetime carbon footprint than your typical 4X4. To target 4x4 vehicles demonstrates a lack of judgement and understanding and appears to me to be motivated by the kind of resentment and jealousy born from under achievement. You are also wasting your fooking time. Let me have a little bet with you I wager that by the time you have finished your current course of studies (which I would also wager is not your first visit to higher education) and moved onto your next degree course / completely pointless, achievement free, public sector job (as advertised weekly in the Guardian which I assume you read and agree with) the streets of Bristol will be as full of 4x4s as they were when you started and will remain so for many years to come. How much you want to bet on that?
Can I also caution you that one day you might throw mud on a vehicle belonging to an irritable brickie with a hangover / your local friendly drug dealer / Vinnie Jones etc etc etc. You know the rest.
Finally allow me to point out that a businessman driving a £50k 4X4 will have done more for this country by generating jobs and wealth than you could possibly achieve by doing 4 degrees in social policy and throwing mud over 1000 vehicles. One of the biggets scourges which this country faces is the growing tide of political correctness, nanny statism and public sector employment for bearded under achievers
David Rose said:
'4x4s to be priced off the road'
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/01/12/nmotors12.xml
"Gas-guzzling sports cars, 4x4s and people carriers could be priced off the road within five years after a crackdown on carbon emissions to be announced by the European Commission this month.
The average new car in 2012 will have to emit no more than 120 grams of carbon per kilometre under proposals to be announced by Stavros Dimas, the European Environment Commissioner. The rule change could add more than £3,300 to the cost of a vehicle.
He said yesterday that they were needed because of the failure of European car makers to keep to a voluntary agreement signed in 1998 to reduce emissions by 25 per cent by 2008. They have managed 13 per cent and the agreement ends next year".
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/01/12/nmotors12.xml
"Gas-guzzling sports cars, 4x4s and people carriers could be priced off the road within five years after a crackdown on carbon emissions to be announced by the European Commission this month.
The average new car in 2012 will have to emit no more than 120 grams of carbon per kilometre under proposals to be announced by Stavros Dimas, the European Environment Commissioner. The rule change could add more than £3,300 to the cost of a vehicle.
He said yesterday that they were needed because of the failure of European car makers to keep to a voluntary agreement signed in 1998 to reduce emissions by 25 per cent by 2008. They have managed 13 per cent and the agreement ends next year".
Mr Rose, glad to see you are back. Are you going to get into a proper debate, or are you just going to keep posting and running?
David Rose said:
'4x4s to be priced off the road'
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/01/12/nmotors12.xml
"Gas-guzzling sports cars, 4x4s and people carriers could be priced off the road within five years after a crackdown on carbon emissions to be announced by the European Commission this month.
The average new car in 2012 will have to emit no more than 120 grams of carbon per kilometre under proposals to be announced by Stavros Dimas, the European Environment Commissioner. The rule change could add more than £3,300 to the cost of a vehicle.
He said yesterday that they were needed because of the failure of European car makers to keep to a voluntary agreement signed in 1998 to reduce emissions by 25 per cent by 2008. They have managed 13 per cent and the agreement ends next year".
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/01/12/nmotors12.xml
"Gas-guzzling sports cars, 4x4s and people carriers could be priced off the road within five years after a crackdown on carbon emissions to be announced by the European Commission this month.
The average new car in 2012 will have to emit no more than 120 grams of carbon per kilometre under proposals to be announced by Stavros Dimas, the European Environment Commissioner. The rule change could add more than £3,300 to the cost of a vehicle.
He said yesterday that they were needed because of the failure of European car makers to keep to a voluntary agreement signed in 1998 to reduce emissions by 25 per cent by 2008. They have managed 13 per cent and the agreement ends next year".
Oh dear. All the resources in the world at your disposal, the opportunity of a reasoned debate betweeen many of the members on here, and all you can do is quote a piece from the Telegraph about taxation.
And you wonder why you getting slaughtered.
Seriously, I'd stop it all now, people with tunnel vision and nothing better to do will maybe hear your views and maybe fall for some of the OPINIONS that you pass off as fact, but, and I give you my word on this, anyone with a modicum of common sense will see you for the self absorbed, ill-infomed cretin that you are.
Your attempt after all these years to be the hero that you dreamed of hasn't paid off, so drop it. You won't win.
David Rose said:
'4x4s to be priced off the road'
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/01/12/nmotors12.xml
"Gas-guzzling sports cars, 4x4s and people carriers could be priced off the road within five years after a crackdown on carbon emissions to be announced by the European Commission this month.
The average new car in 2012 will have to emit no more than 120 grams of carbon per kilometre under proposals to be announced by Stavros Dimas, the European Environment Commissioner. The rule change could add more than £3,300 to the cost of a vehicle.
He said yesterday that they were needed because of the failure of European car makers to keep to a voluntary agreement signed in 1998 to reduce emissions by 25 per cent by 2008. They have managed 13 per cent and the agreement ends next year".
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/01/12/nmotors12.xml
"Gas-guzzling sports cars, 4x4s and people carriers could be priced off the road within five years after a crackdown on carbon emissions to be announced by the European Commission this month.
The average new car in 2012 will have to emit no more than 120 grams of carbon per kilometre under proposals to be announced by Stavros Dimas, the European Environment Commissioner. The rule change could add more than £3,300 to the cost of a vehicle.
He said yesterday that they were needed because of the failure of European car makers to keep to a voluntary agreement signed in 1998 to reduce emissions by 25 per cent by 2008. They have managed 13 per cent and the agreement ends next year".
I bet the real reason you want 4x4's banned is they affect your view while your out dogging in secluded car parks with all your other moronic soap dodging friends.
>dress up as a Zombie for the day as this will give the media lots of great pics and freak out the 4x4 drivers!
What? You mean they will think the street's are actually full of walking dead and will be incredibly frightened?
Hopefully some of these drivers will be scared so sh*tless they will lose control of their 4X4 and crush your worthless bones under their bull bars. Won't that make a great picture for the media? Then you can get up and be a REAL Zombie (although I suspect you can do a pretty good impression of a Zombie without dressing up and putting on the make-up).
FFS - get a girlfriend (somehow).
What? You mean they will think the street's are actually full of walking dead and will be incredibly frightened?
Hopefully some of these drivers will be scared so sh*tless they will lose control of their 4X4 and crush your worthless bones under their bull bars. Won't that make a great picture for the media? Then you can get up and be a REAL Zombie (although I suspect you can do a pretty good impression of a Zombie without dressing up and putting on the make-up).
FFS - get a girlfriend (somehow).
Edited by audidoody on Monday 29th January 18:49
Mr Rose,
Please can you explain to us why the planet Mars is also experiencing 'global warming':
www.heartland.org/Article.cfm?artId=17977
There are no 4x4's on Mars- just two 6x6's called 'Spirit' & 'Opportunity'
Whilst I am in no doubt that the Earth is getting warmer- man's influence may be less than you think....
Please can you explain to us why the planet Mars is also experiencing 'global warming':
www.heartland.org/Article.cfm?artId=17977
There are no 4x4's on Mars- just two 6x6's called 'Spirit' & 'Opportunity'
Whilst I am in no doubt that the Earth is getting warmer- man's influence may be less than you think....
Edited by laser_jock99 on Saturday 20th January 11:19
djohnson said:
David Rose : Just in case you are still looking at this thread thought I'd let you know I bought the wife a BMW X5 (that's a 4X4) today.
Well it's a 4x4 but is it a proper bona fide gas guzzler?? I mean I've driven a 740 and managed to get it down to 4mpg around town. Admittedly it was wagging it's tail on roundabouts, but that was funny as hell and mighty guffaws were heard reverberating through the night air.
So come on, dish the dirt: what mpg have you got
? Globulator said:
djohnson said:
David Rose : Just in case you are still looking at this thread thought I'd let you know I bought the wife a BMW X5 (that's a 4X4) today.
Well it's a 4x4 but is it a proper bona fide gas guzzler?? I mean I've driven a 740 and managed to get it down to 4mpg around town. Admittedly it was wagging it's tail on roundabouts, but that was funny as hell and mighty guffaws were heard reverberating through the night air.
So come on, dish the dirt: what mpg have you got
? Its the 3.0 petrol so probably early 20s in terms of mpg. However will be selling the wife's current 320TD in due course (typically 35 - 40 mpg) to make way for it and of course keeping my 17 - 21 mpg 911. Doesn't excatly make us an environmentally sound household. Must try for 4 mpg.
mat205125 said:
nem351s said:
I don't even have a 4x4, but this has made me so angry.
This sums it all up...
"Mr Rose said the vehicles represented a major part of the culture of conspicuous consumption.
He said: "Part of the thing with them is showing off, I don't know why."
I want to remove his eyes with a spoon.
This sums it all up...
"Mr Rose said the vehicles represented a major part of the culture of conspicuous consumption.
He said: "Part of the thing with them is showing off, I don't know why."
I want to remove his eyes with a spoon.
Edited by nem351s on Wednesday 20th December 16:29
Anyone up for a pub crawl round the Bristol Student Union bars?
Yup lets get something organised, get some t-shirts printed as well to attract them to us then take them out the back.
David Rose said:
The point is that we all have to do as much as we humanly can RIGHT NOW to reduce our carbon output in this Climate Emergency
Do you practice what you preace? Do you do everything that is humanly possible to reduce your carbon output?
Obviously, and taken to it's fullest extreme, killing yourself right now would reduce your own personal contribution to the CO2 people create.
One should obviously get ones own house in order before going on moral crusader based on spurious evidence (man made climate change) focussing on a minor net contributor (4x4s or evenprivate vehicles as well). Stop producing CO2 yourself then come preaching to the rest of us who actually look to the evidence rather than a view put forwards to justify taxation and justify actiong on jealousy.
I can lend you a spoon (blunt unfortunately).
Hey Dave. On Saturday I bought a Jeep Wrangler. You'll be pleased to know it's the 4 litre six cylinder one. With an auto box. And you'll be delighted when I tell you I spent all day Sunday wasting fuel and churning up the environment on Salisbury Plain. It was great, you silly little lentilist.
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Hey Dave. On Saturday I bought a Jeep Wrangler. You'll be pleased to know it's the 4 litre six cylinder one. With an auto box. And you'll be delighted when I tell you I spent all day Sunday wasting fuel and churning up the environment on Salisbury Plain. It was great, you silly little lentilist.
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[/URL]Still more environmentally friendly than a Prius tho, Mad Hatter Rose will be off pouring mud on those when he realises how much CO2 is released making each one of those!!!
Just as the Brissol anti 4x4 direct action idiots have gone to ground Gregory from the Edinburgh alliance has kicked off again.
Anyone fancy shooting fish in a barrel
http://stopedinburgh4x4s.blogspot.com
Anyone fancy shooting fish in a barrel
http://stopedinburgh4x4s.blogspot.com
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