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flemke

22,865 posts

238 months

Sunday 8th August 2010
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HereBeMonsters said:
Frik said:
For sure, F. I meant it how I said it. He's probably driven more different vehicles than anyone else.

He won't have as many miles under his belt as the latter gentleman though and lets face it, he's not got a hope in hell of growing such an impressive beard. Some people are just lucky I guess.
Why do we always have to talk in code on here? Who are you on about?!
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LHD

17,001 posts

188 months

Sunday 8th August 2010
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Flemke,

Does your 959 see much action?

It's still my ultimate Porsche.

flemke

22,865 posts

238 months

Sunday 8th August 2010
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Soovy said:
Anyway, cutting to the chase.

Flemke - I've been outside your house in that ditch now for seven months. Am I getting a go or what?

hehe
Oh, I'd forgotten about that. I must have neglected to tell you that, six months ago, I moved away from there.

rudecherub

1,997 posts

167 months

Sunday 8th August 2010
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flemke said:
LongLiveTazio said:
Are you going to have ABS on the car then, flemke?

I'm all for 'purity' in the right context but as someone who isn't a driving God I think ABS is up there with the three-point seatbelt as the device that has saved more people's bacon than anything else.
I myself do not think of ABS as affecting the purity all that much. The best-feeling brakes I have ever used are on a 959, and that was one of the earliest, presumably crudest, ABS systems of all.

I've looked a bit at what is required for an ABS system, and it's a lot of stuff to package and carry around.

The earliest system was Dunlop Maxaret, designed for aircraft in th 50's IIRC and first fitted to a production car by Jensen in the FF.

It's mechanical and could be over ridden by very strong thigh.

flemke

22,865 posts

238 months

Sunday 8th August 2010
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Dan_1981 said:
Flemke,

A couple of questions if you don't mind.......

How is the F1 as a long distance car? I'm assuming here that you drove it to Germany? Is it reasonably comfotable? Cope with the distance well?

and i'm absolutly sure that this must have been asked before but I can't find if you've ever answered it - understand comepletly if you'd rather not say though - but what else do you have in your garage(s)?

I've seen reference to Porsche cgt and I think i've seen you posting about the thingy ma bob what do ya call it - silver cylindrical type thingy....

Whats you're everyday drive?

Thanks for all the entertainment this thread does provide.

eta: And a 959 I see.
Dan,

The standard F1 is quite comfortable over a long distance, if you're the driver. The passenger seats are narrow at the shoulder and, except for small people, can be tight.
The standard car was designed to be a GT, so it's primary ride is very smooth. On my car, I've tightened up a lot of the compliance in different areas, so it is less comfortable than it was. At present it is in the GT3-range of comfort.
Sometimes I drive it to Germany, other times I'll have it transported. I'm not sure what was the most mileage I have spent in it in a single day, but IIRC it was 650-700.
Other cars that have been mentioned on PH before are NSX and 993 Turbo, which are my most frequently-used cars.
I believe the thingy ma bob in your mind would be another Gordon Murray design (this example not mine):

flemke

22,865 posts

238 months

Sunday 8th August 2010
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LHD said:
Flemke,

Does your 959 see much action?

It's still my ultimate Porsche.
No. I'm afraid that I don't have the time to drive it much. I've driven it about 5500-6000 mi, I think.

Dan_1981

17,408 posts

200 months

Sunday 8th August 2010
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Ahhhh I thought it was a rocket but didn't want to take a random guess!

Thanks for the answers - interesting as ever.

dudleybloke

19,866 posts

187 months

Monday 9th August 2010
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del monte,
is the 959 standard or have you made a few personal tweaks like with the f1?

Steve Theodore

18 posts

208 months

Monday 9th August 2010
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flemke said:
For the 5000th post on this thread, I thought I'd share this:

I love it, and cannot wait to hear more about these. Let's hear about brake rotor weight comparisons when possible too. smile

dom9

8,090 posts

210 months

Monday 9th August 2010
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Is that Shalford, where they did some of the original work on the F1?

If so, I used to work next door (for the Italian company who shall not be named wink ), for a short period, and could see some of the F1 bodywork going in and out from my desk.

stephen300o

15,464 posts

229 months

Monday 9th August 2010
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HereBeMonsters said:
Frik said:
HereBeMonsters said:
Frik said:
For sure, F. I meant it how I said it. He's probably driven more different vehicles than anyone else.

He won't have as many miles under his belt as the latter gentleman though and lets face it, he's not got a hope in hell of growing such an impressive beard. Some people are just lucky I guess.
Why do we always have to talk in code on here? Who are you on about?!
I should imagine that flemke likes to extend his own benefit of relative anonymity to others in a similar position. The information exists on the rest of the internet and you can find it all out without much googling.
So why the secrecy?
Doesn't want to be a name dropper I guess, but does come across a bit "old gents club". smile

flemke

22,865 posts

238 months

Monday 9th August 2010
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Steve Theodore said:
flemke said:
For the 5000th post on this thread, I thought I'd share this:

I love it, and cannot wait to hear more about these. Let's hear about brake rotor weight comparisons when possible too. smile
In rounds numbers, savings versus iron is about 5.5kg/corner front, 4.2kg/corner rear.

flemke

22,865 posts

238 months

Monday 9th August 2010
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dom9 said:


Is that Shalford, where they did some of the original work on the F1?

If so, I used to work next door (for the Italian company who shall not be named wink ), for a short period, and could see some of the F1 bodywork going in and out from my desk.
Yes, and you can see the sign currently on the building: "Gordon Murray Design."

http://www.gordonmurraydesign.com/index.php

rhinochopig

17,932 posts

199 months

Monday 9th August 2010
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flemke said:
Steve Theodore said:
flemke said:
For the 5000th post on this thread, I thought I'd share this:

I love it, and cannot wait to hear more about these. Let's hear about brake rotor weight comparisons when possible too. smile
In rounds numbers, savings versus iron is about 5.5kg/corner front, 4.2kg/corner rear.
That's a big reduction in unsprung mass. On a normal car you wouldn't bother re-valving the dampers to suit, on something like an F1 the cost benefit argument is somewhat different. Will you do so or suck it and see?

flemke

22,865 posts

238 months

Monday 9th August 2010
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stephen300o said:
HereBeMonsters said:
Frik said:
HereBeMonsters said:
Frik said:
For sure, F. I meant it how I said it. He's probably driven more different vehicles than anyone else.

He won't have as many miles under his belt as the latter gentleman though and lets face it, he's not got a hope in hell of growing such an impressive beard. Some people are just lucky I guess.
Why do we always have to talk in code on here? Who are you on about?!
I should imagine that flemke likes to extend his own benefit of relative anonymity to others in a similar position. The information exists on the rest of the internet and you can find it all out without much googling.
So why the secrecy?
Doesn't want to be a name dropper I guess, but does come across a bit "old gents club". smile
That's a fair comment, but the problem is that some people value privacy greatly. It would not be right for me to mention someone's real name (including yours) here, unless I knew beforehand that you would not mind. We have seen (such as in the preceding few pages on this thread) how the proliferation of the internet has caused information about people's lives to be distorted, sometimes substantially so, and that's not to mention the nefarious interests of criminals.
If someone has made the affirmative decision to become a public figure, then it's perfectly fair to talk about him or her at least regarding those areas that are public. That person will (normally) enjoy the rewards of his publicness, so he has to be willing to live with the downsides.
Most of us do not fall into that category.
If people who are acquainted with me think I am an idiot, and say so, that's okay. What would not be okay would be for them to publicise something about me if by doing so they unnecessarily raised the risk that I would suffer harm. That courtesy I try to extend to other people. There are some public figures whom I loathe, but if I know confidentially where one of them lives, it would not be right for me to publicise that address so that fellow-loathers could harrass the man or his family.

flemke

22,865 posts

238 months

Monday 9th August 2010
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rhinochopig said:
That's a big reduction in unsprung mass. On a normal car you wouldn't bother re-valving the dampers to suit, on something like an F1 the cost benefit argument is somewhat different. Will you do so or suck it and see?
We'll see how it works with present damper valving first. At the same time as the new discs, we should be installing final (I hope) wheels, so would make sense to wait for that change before ultimate damper assessment.

blindswelledrat

25,257 posts

233 months

Monday 9th August 2010
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Out of curiosity Flemke, when you make all these 'upgrades' to your car, does it bother you in the slightest that the car is becoming less and less original?
Further, if you didn't currently own one and were buying one- would you choose an original one over a car like yours or would you be glad of the mods?

I can't decide where I sit on this issue.
Ive got a few years to sit deciding, so Im not panicking just yet.

Davey S2

13,097 posts

255 months

Monday 9th August 2010
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blindswelledrat said:
Out of curiosity Flemke, when you make all these 'upgrades' to your car, does it bother you in the slightest that the car is becoming less and less original?
I'm pretty sure that everything could be put back to original spec if required. Its not like he has fitted NOS to it.

rhinochopig

17,932 posts

199 months

Monday 9th August 2010
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flemke said:
rhinochopig said:
That's a big reduction in unsprung mass. On a normal car you wouldn't bother re-valving the dampers to suit, on something like an F1 the cost benefit argument is somewhat different. Will you do so or suck it and see?
We'll see how it works with present damper valving first. At the same time as the new discs, we should be installing final (I hope) wheels, so would make sense to wait for that change before ultimate damper assessment.
Presumably they'll be lighter too. I suppose that's another quandary you'll face when both are fitted as damper technology is another area of automotive engineering which has advanced hugely since the F1 was produced. If the originals no longer suit the new set-up, do you simply re-valve - totally upgrade the internals in the existing damper bodies - or go to someone like EXE-TC or Ohlins for some bespoke units?

clonmult

10,529 posts

210 months

Monday 9th August 2010
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LHD said:
Flemke,

Does your 959 see much action?

It's still my ultimate Porsche.
The 959 has always been a tad marmite to me - even though its got undoubted performance credentials and is a hugely capable vehicle, I just can't reconcile its performance with its looks. Its always looked awkward to me, in that way its got a lot in common with the Veyron.

Just going over those comments on the daily mail "article". Just confirms that the mail is definitely not a newspaper, and 90% of the people commenting really are idiots.
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