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Sway said:
Sounds like it's been an ordeal Mr F. Glad you won out, hope life is treating you well.
Matching pair of Mclarens? Top choice. Will it be a rising diagonal stripe as per F1 (running along the lower edge of the upper door panel?) or on the exposed carbon along that vane?
The former, curving slightly along the "edge" of the door, on the upper side of the leaf shape.Matching pair of Mclarens? Top choice. Will it be a rising diagonal stripe as per F1 (running along the lower edge of the upper door panel?) or on the exposed carbon along that vane?
flemke said:
The design was finished, and looked excellent, if I do say so myself. I was waiting on a place in London to ascertain whether they could get a certain type of turquoise leather to match the colour in the badge, they were taking forever, and then the events to which I alluded above interceded.
I would still like to finish it, but I am so backed up on stuff, and have so little time in which to do anything that is selfish, that it's unlikely to happen soon.
Understood. Hopefully you will at least have time to drive the wee beastie!I would still like to finish it, but I am so backed up on stuff, and have so little time in which to do anything that is selfish, that it's unlikely to happen soon.
Crockefeller said:
flemke said:
The design was finished, and looked excellent, if I do say so myself. I was waiting on a place in London to ascertain whether they could get a certain type of turquoise leather to match the colour in the badge, they were taking forever, and then the events to which I alluded above interceded.
I would still like to finish it, but I am so backed up on stuff, and have so little time in which to do anything that is selfish, that it's unlikely to happen soon.
Understood. Hopefully you will at least have time to drive the wee beastie!I would still like to finish it, but I am so backed up on stuff, and have so little time in which to do anything that is selfish, that it's unlikely to happen soon.
flemke said:
Crockefeller said:
flemke said:
The design was finished, and looked excellent, if I do say so myself. I was waiting on a place in London to ascertain whether they could get a certain type of turquoise leather to match the colour in the badge, they were taking forever, and then the events to which I alluded above interceded.
I would still like to finish it, but I am so backed up on stuff, and have so little time in which to do anything that is selfish, that it's unlikely to happen soon.
Understood. Hopefully you will at least have time to drive the wee beastie!I would still like to finish it, but I am so backed up on stuff, and have so little time in which to do anything that is selfish, that it's unlikely to happen soon.
flemke said:
The P1 is what, in my naivete 13 years ago, I expected the F1 to be: blisteringly fast, but within the capacity of a normal human being to operate. It turned out that the F1 is not within that capacity, although in time I have appreciated it the more because of that intrinsic characteristic.
By "electronically heavy", I presume that you are not referring to literal weight of the batteries, but rather to electro-technological systems.
The main things of that sort are the electric motor filling in the power gaps, which is I would say 90-95% successful (relative to the most advanced NA engine, say in the Laff-errari), the air brake, which by now is old technology but in this case is extremely effective, and the suspension, a refinement of the 12C's, about which system much has been written and which is a marvel.
As a poster above said, sounds like a major ordeal which I remember you had hinted at on some prior posts back in 2011. Good to hear you've got that mostly sorted now.By "electronically heavy", I presume that you are not referring to literal weight of the batteries, but rather to electro-technological systems.
The main things of that sort are the electric motor filling in the power gaps, which is I would say 90-95% successful (relative to the most advanced NA engine, say in the Laff-errari), the air brake, which by now is old technology but in this case is extremely effective, and the suspension, a refinement of the 12C's, about which system much has been written and which is a marvel.
Yeah I did mean the electric control systems. In the 12C, especially on track there remains somewhat of the feeling that the car's computers are applying a not insignificant filtering of the driver's inputs through the suspension/brake steer/traction control systems and possibly due to those systems, one does not and perhaps cannot feel quite as 'connected' to the car (and that's a similar case in pretty much every other high performance car made these days like say a 458 or the newer 991 gt3) as ideal compared to a more analogue car such as a 996 or 997 gt3.
Given the P1's performance capability is considerably greater than that of the 12C, one would assume therefore likely even greater amount of electronic wizardy going on in the background to manage that kind of power, was wondering what you would have made of that in the P1 especially in comparison to some of the other cars you have had or whether the calibration has improved to the point where it's seamless enough not to feel artificial.
flemke said:
VladD said:
Monty Python said:
wolfracesonic said:
Will Flemke be excused posing some custard on the dashboard of the aforementioned P1?
Surely it should be a bottle of Dom Perignon or something similar.
Edited by VladD on Thursday 24th April 08:13
Rich_W said:
I'm confused. (Yes, Yes take much!)
I thought all P1s were sold. So how can Flemke order one for a delivery 5-6 months away?
Anyway. Flemke, will you be selling any of your other cars to make way for the new one? Was that a difficult decision to make?
They only make two P1's a week.I thought all P1s were sold. So how can Flemke order one for a delivery 5-6 months away?
Anyway. Flemke, will you be selling any of your other cars to make way for the new one? Was that a difficult decision to make?
Therefore it may take a while for the sold out production run to be delivered?
Mezzanine said:
Rich_W said:
I'm confused. (Yes, Yes take much!)
I thought all P1s were sold. So how can Flemke order one for a delivery 5-6 months away?
Anyway. Flemke, will you be selling any of your other cars to make way for the new one? Was that a difficult decision to make?
They only make two P1's a week.I thought all P1s were sold. So how can Flemke order one for a delivery 5-6 months away?
Anyway. Flemke, will you be selling any of your other cars to make way for the new one? Was that a difficult decision to make?
Therefore it may take a while for the sold out production run to be delivered?
Rich_W said:
I didn't mean lead times. I meant when did he place the order. The inference I got was that by the time they unveiled the car publically the first time (Geneva?) they'd already taken the 350 slots.
Owns an F1 and is known to the factory - I'd imagine Flemke knew about the P1 before most of us!flemke said:
VladD said:
Monty Python said:
wolfracesonic said:
Will Flemke be excused posing some custard on the dashboard of the aforementioned P1?
Surely it should be a bottle of Dom Perignon or something similar.flemke said:
Apologies for my long absence from here. It's a very complicated story but, in essence, about 3 years ago I slowly but surely began to learn that there was some clown who was trying to steal my life. I don't mean steal my identity, I mean steal my life - almost everything of value in it. A High Court Justice said that, in his 40 years as a barrister and judge, this was the most extraordinary situation he had seen.
It has taken a huge effort on my part to sort this out. It is mostly but not entirely done now, and the pseudo-human behind it, a cockroach originally from South Africa who in recent years has resided in and around Bournemouth, is now penniless. Nonetheless, one has better things to do with one's life than to have to deal with these creatures, who are not fit to live in proximity to human beings.
The above has however precipitated other, fundamental changes in my life, one result being that even now that the smoke has cleared I shall not have much time to indulge in fun diversions such as the PH Forum. When I am able, however, I shall do my best to participate.
Cheers.
Now that sounds like an utterly fascinating story. I guess we'll never get the details, but I'd love to know what happened, sounds like the script of a good book. Glad it's worked out for you.It has taken a huge effort on my part to sort this out. It is mostly but not entirely done now, and the pseudo-human behind it, a cockroach originally from South Africa who in recent years has resided in and around Bournemouth, is now penniless. Nonetheless, one has better things to do with one's life than to have to deal with these creatures, who are not fit to live in proximity to human beings.
The above has however precipitated other, fundamental changes in my life, one result being that even now that the smoke has cleared I shall not have much time to indulge in fun diversions such as the PH Forum. When I am able, however, I shall do my best to participate.
Cheers.
flemke said:
Apologies for my long absence from here. It's a very complicated story but, in essence, about 3 years ago I slowly but surely began to learn that there was some clown who was trying to steal my life. I don't mean steal my identity, I mean steal my life - almost everything of value in it. A High Court Justice said that, in his 40 years as a barrister and judge, this was the most extraordinary situation he had seen.
It has taken a huge effort on my part to sort this out. It is mostly but not entirely done now, and the pseudo-human behind it, a cockroach originally from South Africa who in recent years has resided in and around Bournemouth, is now penniless. Nonetheless, one has better things to do with one's life than to have to deal with these creatures, who are not fit to live in proximity to human beings.
The above has however precipitated other, fundamental changes in my life, one result being that even now that the smoke has cleared I shall not have much time to indulge in fun diversions such as the PH Forum. When I am able, however, I shall do my best to participate.
Cheers.
That sounds far more fascinating than a car. Any chance of a more detailed update on that? Im intrigued. That's the internet equivalent of Angelina Jolie being behind a Chinese paper door saying "I am naked. If only you could see through this very thin paper you could almost touch it"It has taken a huge effort on my part to sort this out. It is mostly but not entirely done now, and the pseudo-human behind it, a cockroach originally from South Africa who in recent years has resided in and around Bournemouth, is now penniless. Nonetheless, one has better things to do with one's life than to have to deal with these creatures, who are not fit to live in proximity to human beings.
The above has however precipitated other, fundamental changes in my life, one result being that even now that the smoke has cleared I shall not have much time to indulge in fun diversions such as the PH Forum. When I am able, however, I shall do my best to participate.
Cheers.
Rich_W said:
I didn't mean lead times. I meant when did he place the order. The inference I got was that by the time they unveiled the car publically the first time (Geneva?) they'd already taken the 350 slots.
The McLaren P1 was unveiled publicly for the fist time at the Paris Motor Show in September 2012. It was not too much earlier than that point when they began accepting the first deposits. The Production version was what was unveiled in Geneva about 6 months later, in May 2013. At that point the Paris concept had already toured a number of the major markets for private reveals of the car and secured more than half of the deposits to fill their 375 slot allocation along the way. Then another 6 months later they released news that the P1 was sold out, in November 2013. They currently have a queue of additional people who have expressed an interest should any of the remaining build slots open up.
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flemke - good to know you are well and great to see you back contributing. Look forward to all the insights you care to share about P1 ownership when you have the time.
Will you be pairing the P1's chassis number with that of your F1?
>8^)
ER
flemke said:
thegreenhell said:
This needs another Chris Harris video: F1 and P1 compared.
Something better may be in the works. 
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