Goodyear Eagle F1 GS D3's XL

[MDMA]

I want to order some of these online from Blackcircle

www.blackcircles.com

these are described as "long life" are there two different types? I've had some gsd3's before, and i just asked for them at the shop and got given them, nothing was mentioned about them being long life or anything ?????

Am i ok buying these? or should i look for gsd3's that are not "XL" ??

cheers PH Massiiiiive

the size i want is 195/45/16

[Dakkon]

You should buy the ones not made in Taiwan that will make your car understeer like a freight train.

Edited by Dakkon on Wednesday 2nd May 13:55

[MDMA]

Dakkon said:

You should buy the ones no made in Taiwan that will make your car understeer like a freight train.

Any chance you could make sense if you're going to take the piss?

[Iain328]

MDMA said:

Dakkon said:

You should buy the ones no made in Taiwan that will make your car understeer like a freight train.

Any chance you could make sense if you're going to take the piss?

He was referring to a recent thread about non "E" marked Eagle F1s that have found their way into the UK. These tyres were not designed for use in Europe and are of a different compound. I believe they were made in Thailand. They seem to be somewhat lacking in grip (!)
Search the forums, there is a recent thread about it which also mentions vendors who have supplied said tyres.

I.

[john_r]

Would suggest you email both Blackcircles and Mytyres and play them off against each other - tell both of them that the other one is quoting and can they email you their best offer. I saved a further 140 quid doing this! Best of all when I told my local BMW stealer the quote, they undercut it by a tenner a corner and fitted them for free!

Lesson = lots of sales margin in tyres...

F1 long life's have a slightly harder compound and I've heard they're pants; as standard they are superb tyres but if you are a 'brisk' driver then you'll chew a set of standard F1's in around 8k-9k miles! Never had the long-life ones so can't comment apart from what I've heard; however in the wet you can't beat the standards and they're easy to retain control should you have an unplanned slide!! A great feature of the Evo 8 FQ I used to have!

Edited for sh1t spelling!

Edited by john_r on Wednesday 2nd May 13:13

[MDMA]

john_r said:

Would suggest you email both Blackcircles and Mytyres and play them off against each other - tell both of them that the other one is quoting and can they email you their best offer. I saved a further 140 quid doing this! Best of all when I told my local BMW stealer the quote, they undercut it by a tenner a corner and fitted them for free!

Lesson = lots of sales margin in tyres...

F1 long life's have a slightly harder compound and I've heard they're pants; as standard they are superb tyres but if you are a 'brisk' driver then you'll chew a set of standard F1's in around 8k-9k miles! Never had the long-life ones so can't comment apart from what I've heard; however in the wet you can't beat the standards and they're easy to retain control should you have an unplanned slide!! A great feature of the Evo 8 FQ I used to have!

Edited for sh1t spelling!

Edited by john_r on Wednesday 2nd May 13:13

cheers matey

so, there are two different types then !

I think i'll just get the "normal" ones and not the long life ones

sorry for being a bit shirty, i thought the other guy was taking the piss

[Mr E]

Erm, are you sure the 'XL' isn't referring to the GSD03 'eXtra Load" variant of the tyre? This is the same treadblocks, but with a stiffer sidewall.

[runnersp]

Dakkon said:

You should buy the ones no made in Taiwan that will make your car understeer like a freight train.

Pedant on: Freight trains run on rails and therefore neither understeer nor oversteer. Pedant of...
Great tyres those Eagles, I had the non-long life version on my Golf and they improved it dramatically...

[thekirbyfake]

Mr E said:

something

Mr E replying on a thread started by MDMA.

Coincidence?

[Dakkon]

Iain328 said:

MDMA said:

Dakkon said:

You should buy the ones no made in Taiwan that will make your car understeer like a freight train.

Any chance you could make sense if you're going to take the piss?

He was referring to a recent thread about non "E" marked Eagle F1s that have found their way into the UK. These tyres were not designed for use in Europe and are of a different compound. I believe they were made in Thailand. They seem to be somewhat lacking in grip (!)
Search the forums, there is a recent thread about it which also mentions vendors who have supplied said tyres.

I.

I missed off a T in not, sorry, but as Iain328 has explained, some goodyear F1's are not that sporty.

[chris71]

Mr E said:

Erm, are you sure the 'XL' isn't referring to the GSD03 'eXtra Load" variant of the tyre? This is the same treadblocks, but with a stiffer sidewall.

Stiffer sidewalls? Sounds fun! Where's the nearest roundabout.....

[IRM]

i have Goodyear gsd3 xl as its on a diesel and the fronts are at 3mm after 12 000 mls

the oem michelin exailto (??) did 25 000

[k50 del]

I only ran GSD3's on my WRX and used to manage about 15k miles per set (lots of motorway miles though, so the previous poster's 8-9k could be fairly accurate if used hard)

They are however the best tyres I've run, and would recommend them to anybody.

[john_r]

k50 del said:

I only ran GSD3's on my WRX and used to manage about 15k miles per set (lots of motorway miles though, so the previous poster's 8-9k could be fairly accurate if used hard)

They are however the best tyres I've run, and would recommend them to anybody.

To be fair, I did use them hard when fitted to my old Evo VIII, hence the 8-9k. Got about 14k when fitted to the Lexus and decided they'd only do about 5k if fitted to the M5 and therefore went for something different (standard fit BMW Conti's are dreadful by the way!).

[don1]

I ran GSD 3's on my Leon Cupra R, and fronts with motorway driving and spirited A road, lasted 20k miles. Increased grip, more predicible driving, better mpg (seriously!) - all that was missing was a pit crew and some bikini girls. Go for it!

[orangecurry]

Mr E said:

Erm, are you sure the 'XL' isn't referring to the GSD03 'eXtra Load" variant of the tyre? This is the same treadblocks, but with a stiffer sidewall.

what he said.

What is the load index of your quoted tyres? I've just got a set of 91Y GSD3s in 17 inch from mytyres, and IIRC these are called XL due to the greater load ability. My Impreza only actually needs 87.
FYI My previous set of GSD3s in 16 inch lasted 20k miles, but the wife did the lionesses share of the miles as it is the 'family' car.

[orangecurry]

oh hang on - blackcircles don't quote the load index do they? At least mytyres.co.uk DO actually tell you what you are buying... this is taken from their web-o-site

Goodyear EAGLE F1 GS-D3 195/45 R16 84V XL BSW

Goodyear EAGLE F1 GS-D3 195/45 R16 80V BSW

What load index do you need?

[markh1]

I have just ordered some F1 GSD3's for the rear of my cerb, I got them becasue they are on the front of the car. Hopefully they wil be ok!

Edited by markh1 on Wednesday 2nd May 15:51

[orangecurry]

IRM said:

i have Goodyear gsd3 xl as its on a diesel and the fronts are at 3mm after 12 000 mls

the oem michelin exailto (??) did 25 000

that's because Michelin tyres are way WAY harder, and consequently tend to be shite in the wet as a trade-off against long life.

[orangecurry]

right - I'm not comparing apples with apples, but it's close.

The old tyres (2003) are 205/50/16 87W and Made in Germany


The new tyres (2007) are 215/45/17 91Y and Made in China


note that the construction is different, but is this because the 91Y can carry a heavier load? Definately the sidewall in the 91Y has 2 plies, and the 87W has only 1.

Now for the E marks - Made in Germany



Made in China