Goodyear Eagle F1 GS D3's XL
Discussion
orangecurry said:
IRM said:
i have Goodyear gsd3 xl as its on a diesel and the fronts are at 3mm after 12 000 mls
the oem michelin exailto (??) did 25 000
that's because Michelin tyres are way WAY harder, and consequently tend to be shite in the wet as a trade-off against long life.
i was aware of that
are xl really that different and necssary would you get the same with a y rated tyre in terms of wall stiffness in steda of a w rated xl
Edited by IRM on Wednesday 2nd May 19:37
y and w refer to the speed rating
load index is effectivly the strength of the tyrewall, or weight that can be safely carried by that wheel; 91 equates to 615kgs, and 87 is 545kgs - I'll find a website.
There is no direct link between the two.
load index is effectivly the strength of the tyrewall, or weight that can be safely carried by that wheel; 91 equates to 615kgs, and 87 is 545kgs - I'll find a website.
There is no direct link between the two.
Edited by orangecurry on Wednesday 2nd May 19:58
Hi - Its James from Goodyear here.
Just a couple of points.
We make tyres to the same spec in our global factories, so it is not the case that only German made tyres are suitable for Europe, for example.
However, there are some non - E marked tyres out in the marketplace due to unofficial dealers buying tyres (not just Goodyear) from markets that are 'exchange rate favourable' and bringing them here, irrespective of whether they are suitable or not.
In the case of non E marked tyres, drivers should report this to trading standards. These tyres are not being imported by Goodyear Dunlop Tyres UK or any of our sister companies in Europe.
Also, in some cases manufacturer's tyres may be E marked meaning they are legal and safe in Europe, but they may not be the 'optimum' tyre for our climate.
Whenever we (Goodyear Dunlop Tyres UK Limited) know of E marked tyres being imported that are not designed for northern european climates we are using trademark protection legislation to take the unofficial importers to court. (See below for a recent example regarding Dunlop)
Our advice is to purchase from Goodyear Dunlop Approved dealers.
PRESS RELEASE
Goodyear Dunlop success in protecting UK motorists with legal action against unapproved tyres
Goodyear Dunlop Tyres UK Limited has succeeded in the first phase of a campaign to protect UK customers from unknowingly buying tyres that were not designed for road conditions in this market. As a result of this campaign, one tyre dealer has had to send 600 Dunlop tyres for recycling, to prevent these tyres from being used on UK roads.
The Goodyear Dunlop campaign targets Asian and African manufactured tyres bearing the famous Dunlop and SP trademarks, but designed for their local markets, and not imported or recommended by the UK company.
The 600 Dunlop SP490 tyres had been imported by a tyre dealer for sale in the UK, despite not being on the approved list of Dunlop tyres designed for the UK market. In an out-of-court settlement, the dealer has agreed to send these tyres to an approved collection agency, at the dealer’s cost, to be recycled according to the guidelines set by the Responsible Recycling Scheme.
Paul Wilde, Director, Consumer Tyres, UK explained: “These tyres did not carry the standard Goodyear Dunlop UK warranties on quality and performance. Therefore we took this action to remove unapproved and trademark infringing tyres from the UK market and protect innocent UK motorists who trust our brands to perform to the highest level. The tyres we list for sale in the UK are designed to have the optimum safety levels, particularly in terms of reduced braking distances, wet weather performance and are engineered for the types of road surfaces, road conditions and climatic extremes that prevail in this market.’’
We began proceedings against this dealer to protect the UK motoring public and to protect our loyal dealers. We would not hesitate to take the same action against any other dealer selling similar tyres that we do not list for UK sale. If we cannot guarantee their suitability for the local market, it is vital we take steps to ensure that the Goodyear and Dunlop product on sale from reputable UK dealers is the correct tyre for the market. ” added Mr Wilde.
“As a result of this action, customers should be reassured that the majority of professional tyre dealers in the UK are fitting the correct Goodyear and Dunlop tyres for our road conditions”
ENDS
Editor’s Notes
Buyer’s advice:
As a guide, Goodyear Dunlop has recently identified examples of infringing Dunlop SP490, Dunlop SP7000 and Dunlop FM901 tyres on sale in the UK. The range of Dunlop tyres that that the company retails as suitable for the UK market is listed at:
Dunlop Tyres UK
If tyres are not purchased from Authorised Dunlop tyre fitters or distributors then you should make enquiries to ensure that they are authorised for sale in the UK
Recycling:
The 600 tyres are to be recycled in accordance with the Tyre Recovery Association’s guidelines. Our commitment to recycling and reuse of tyres means that the recycling is being handled by one of the first collectors and processors in the UK to claim that no tyres are disposed of as waste to landfill.
Tyre recycling includes a shredding process, giving the flexibility to dispose of tyres into a number of recycling and disposal outlets. All of these tyres will disposed of on a responsible basis into a variety of recycling and energy recovery routes such as granulation and for use as a cement kiln fuel.
Just a couple of points.
We make tyres to the same spec in our global factories, so it is not the case that only German made tyres are suitable for Europe, for example.
However, there are some non - E marked tyres out in the marketplace due to unofficial dealers buying tyres (not just Goodyear) from markets that are 'exchange rate favourable' and bringing them here, irrespective of whether they are suitable or not.
In the case of non E marked tyres, drivers should report this to trading standards. These tyres are not being imported by Goodyear Dunlop Tyres UK or any of our sister companies in Europe.
Also, in some cases manufacturer's tyres may be E marked meaning they are legal and safe in Europe, but they may not be the 'optimum' tyre for our climate.
Whenever we (Goodyear Dunlop Tyres UK Limited) know of E marked tyres being imported that are not designed for northern european climates we are using trademark protection legislation to take the unofficial importers to court. (See below for a recent example regarding Dunlop)
Our advice is to purchase from Goodyear Dunlop Approved dealers.
PRESS RELEASE
Goodyear Dunlop success in protecting UK motorists with legal action against unapproved tyres
Goodyear Dunlop Tyres UK Limited has succeeded in the first phase of a campaign to protect UK customers from unknowingly buying tyres that were not designed for road conditions in this market. As a result of this campaign, one tyre dealer has had to send 600 Dunlop tyres for recycling, to prevent these tyres from being used on UK roads.
The Goodyear Dunlop campaign targets Asian and African manufactured tyres bearing the famous Dunlop and SP trademarks, but designed for their local markets, and not imported or recommended by the UK company.
The 600 Dunlop SP490 tyres had been imported by a tyre dealer for sale in the UK, despite not being on the approved list of Dunlop tyres designed for the UK market. In an out-of-court settlement, the dealer has agreed to send these tyres to an approved collection agency, at the dealer’s cost, to be recycled according to the guidelines set by the Responsible Recycling Scheme.
Paul Wilde, Director, Consumer Tyres, UK explained: “These tyres did not carry the standard Goodyear Dunlop UK warranties on quality and performance. Therefore we took this action to remove unapproved and trademark infringing tyres from the UK market and protect innocent UK motorists who trust our brands to perform to the highest level. The tyres we list for sale in the UK are designed to have the optimum safety levels, particularly in terms of reduced braking distances, wet weather performance and are engineered for the types of road surfaces, road conditions and climatic extremes that prevail in this market.’’
We began proceedings against this dealer to protect the UK motoring public and to protect our loyal dealers. We would not hesitate to take the same action against any other dealer selling similar tyres that we do not list for UK sale. If we cannot guarantee their suitability for the local market, it is vital we take steps to ensure that the Goodyear and Dunlop product on sale from reputable UK dealers is the correct tyre for the market. ” added Mr Wilde.
“As a result of this action, customers should be reassured that the majority of professional tyre dealers in the UK are fitting the correct Goodyear and Dunlop tyres for our road conditions”
ENDS
Editor’s Notes
Buyer’s advice:
As a guide, Goodyear Dunlop has recently identified examples of infringing Dunlop SP490, Dunlop SP7000 and Dunlop FM901 tyres on sale in the UK. The range of Dunlop tyres that that the company retails as suitable for the UK market is listed at:
Dunlop Tyres UK
If tyres are not purchased from Authorised Dunlop tyre fitters or distributors then you should make enquiries to ensure that they are authorised for sale in the UK
Recycling:
The 600 tyres are to be recycled in accordance with the Tyre Recovery Association’s guidelines. Our commitment to recycling and reuse of tyres means that the recycling is being handled by one of the first collectors and processors in the UK to claim that no tyres are disposed of as waste to landfill.
Tyre recycling includes a shredding process, giving the flexibility to dispose of tyres into a number of recycling and disposal outlets. All of these tyres will disposed of on a responsible basis into a variety of recycling and energy recovery routes such as granulation and for use as a cement kiln fuel.
If the tyre is sourced from a mainstream dealer such as Hi-Q, Kwik Fit or a Goodyear Approved dealer you will have the right product.
If you buy tyres outside of this network, for any mainstream brand of tyre, not just Goodyear, you should ask the dealer if they are souced from the European sales company of the tyre dealer.
The tyre supply chain is complex. Most dealers buy from the UK tyre company. Some import 'grey' market tyres from wholesalers who buy from other European countries. This is legally OK but means we cannot trace the origin of the tyre very easily.
Then some dealers do buy inappropriate tyres, (sometimes not E marked), from dealers in the Far East, USA or wherever exchange rates steer them. That is when we will take legal action under trademark legislation if they are E marked, or where buyers should report the dealer to trading standards if not E marked.
A long answer, but I hope you can see it is not a simple issue.
If anyone wishes to let us know the names of dealers that have supplied non E marked tyres we will pass the details to our lawyers as well as recommending that you contact trading standards.
The Goodyear Eagle F1 has won more independent UK tyre tests (Autocar, Auto Express, Evo, Max Power) than any other tyre. We are very protective of its reputation and want to ensure customers get the right tyre.
However, to get this in proportion, we do believe that the vast majority of tyres in the UK are correctly suited to this market.
If you buy tyres outside of this network, for any mainstream brand of tyre, not just Goodyear, you should ask the dealer if they are souced from the European sales company of the tyre dealer.
The tyre supply chain is complex. Most dealers buy from the UK tyre company. Some import 'grey' market tyres from wholesalers who buy from other European countries. This is legally OK but means we cannot trace the origin of the tyre very easily.
Then some dealers do buy inappropriate tyres, (sometimes not E marked), from dealers in the Far East, USA or wherever exchange rates steer them. That is when we will take legal action under trademark legislation if they are E marked, or where buyers should report the dealer to trading standards if not E marked.
A long answer, but I hope you can see it is not a simple issue.
If anyone wishes to let us know the names of dealers that have supplied non E marked tyres we will pass the details to our lawyers as well as recommending that you contact trading standards.
The Goodyear Eagle F1 has won more independent UK tyre tests (Autocar, Auto Express, Evo, Max Power) than any other tyre. We are very protective of its reputation and want to ensure customers get the right tyre.
However, to get this in proportion, we do believe that the vast majority of tyres in the UK are correctly suited to this market.
Orange Curry
You do have correctly E marked tyres.
Thanks for your e-mail. The F1 GSD3 designed for the UK market are presently supplied either from Germany or China. Any tyre sold as replacement for use on UK roads should have an E mark.
Please find a link to a tyre sidewall from our sister company Dunlop's site which describes E markings very clearly.
www.dunloptyres.co.uk/ourTyres/car/sidewallMarkings/
The letter F on the link shows you a box or a circle and inside this is an E with a number eg E13 or E5. Outside that box or circle should be a further number. The number outside the box or circle is the E mark. If your tyre does not have the number after the E13 / E5 then the tyre is not E marked and illegal for fitting in the UK for use on public roads.
By clicking on letter F you will find out more information on E marks.
Orange Curry, you are OK, but for other customers, if the tyres sold to you do not have an e-mark we would advise you refer the matter to the dealer who sold you the tyres or trading standards.
This goes for any brand of tyre, not just Dunlop or Goodyear. I believe most tyre companies have similar issues with unofficial imports brought into Europe by companies other than the main corporation.
You do have correctly E marked tyres.
Thanks for your e-mail. The F1 GSD3 designed for the UK market are presently supplied either from Germany or China. Any tyre sold as replacement for use on UK roads should have an E mark.
Please find a link to a tyre sidewall from our sister company Dunlop's site which describes E markings very clearly.
www.dunloptyres.co.uk/ourTyres/car/sidewallMarkings/
The letter F on the link shows you a box or a circle and inside this is an E with a number eg E13 or E5. Outside that box or circle should be a further number. The number outside the box or circle is the E mark. If your tyre does not have the number after the E13 / E5 then the tyre is not E marked and illegal for fitting in the UK for use on public roads.
By clicking on letter F you will find out more information on E marks.
Orange Curry, you are OK, but for other customers, if the tyres sold to you do not have an e-mark we would advise you refer the matter to the dealer who sold you the tyres or trading standards.
This goes for any brand of tyre, not just Dunlop or Goodyear. I believe most tyre companies have similar issues with unofficial imports brought into Europe by companies other than the main corporation.
Dumb question perhaps, but why if you want to protect the reputation of your tyres do you produce such widely differing versions under the same name throughout the world? Would it not be easier (and avoid the import hassles) if you called them Euro-F1, Asia-F1 etc. and marked them as such? Easier to find than a small E-symbol.
All that aside, they are still the best tyres I ever had
All that aside, they are still the best tyres I ever had
The specification of the tyre can change and improve throughout its lifespan. The GSD3 has been in production for six years and has received regular design tweaks.
Incidentally, the GSD3 has now been replaced with the Eagle F1 Asymmetric, (see Track and Race Cars this month and Performance Tuner last month) which gives a further leap forward in wet grip and braking performance.
Regarding Zax question about naming - Fair point and one that would be put to the 'naming committee'. However, like Ford with a Focus or Audi with a TT,(to give two random examples) a global brand is easier to market, even if the specs are different. It is just more difficult for unofficial dealers to get cars instead of tyres from other markets!
Incidentally, the GSD3 has now been replaced with the Eagle F1 Asymmetric, (see Track and Race Cars this month and Performance Tuner last month) which gives a further leap forward in wet grip and braking performance.
Regarding Zax question about naming - Fair point and one that would be put to the 'naming committee'. However, like Ford with a Focus or Audi with a TT,(to give two random examples) a global brand is easier to market, even if the specs are different. It is just more difficult for unofficial dealers to get cars instead of tyres from other markets!
By the way there's an error on the goodyear website.
If you go here:
http://eu.goodyear.com/uk_en/tires/re
The columns are misslabeled. Specifically the type, load index and speed rating columns.
If you go here:
http://eu.goodyear.com/uk_en/tires/re
The columns are misslabeled. Specifically the type, load index and speed rating columns.
redlake27 said:
The specification of the tyre can change and improve throughout its lifespan. The GSD3 has been in production for six years and has received regular design tweaks.
yeesssssssssssssss - sorry to bang on about this, but your answer sounded very Blair-like... could you answer the question please?
The two tyres pictured above were both made in 2007, but in different factories, from different materials.
Why polyester in China, and Rayon in Germany?
During the year there was a change in construction. Although the 'switchover' date for any design change can vary from plant to plant, ultimately we aim to have the same design at the same time from each plant that supplies into a market.
Since these were purchased, the GSD3 has been phased out in the UK and replaced with the F1 Asymmetric, so there is a subsequent design change as well.
It is OK to mix different designs and constructions, but we strongly recommend that the matching pair are on the same axle.
Since these were purchased, the GSD3 has been phased out in the UK and replaced with the F1 Asymmetric, so there is a subsequent design change as well.
It is OK to mix different designs and constructions, but we strongly recommend that the matching pair are on the same axle.
Would buying XLs in any given size give a better turn in due to the sidewall being stiffer?
I have 185/55/15 GSD2s (old skool, me
lol) and they are ace, but sometimes feel a little 'soft' during direction changes, despite the pressures being right. (and yes, I know they're 55s so aren't very low profile, but I want to keep standard sizes and some ride comfort when not pressing on! LoL)
I have 185/55/15 GSD2s (old skool, me
lol) and they are ace, but sometimes feel a little 'soft' during direction changes, despite the pressures being right. (and yes, I know they're 55s so aren't very low profile, but I want to keep standard sizes and some ride comfort when not pressing on! LoL)I've just bought a set of "Made In Germany" Goodyear Eagle F1 GS-D3 and noticed the following:
- It's made on the week of 5306 ! Is there 53weeks in Year 2006 ?
- The "DOT" imprint is missing from the sidewall ..
Is this a "real" Goodyear F1 ? Or rather, are there any "fake" F1 out in the market ?
- It's made on the week of 5306 ! Is there 53weeks in Year 2006 ?
- The "DOT" imprint is missing from the sidewall ..
Is this a "real" Goodyear F1 ? Or rather, are there any "fake" F1 out in the market ?
Edited by silverstream on Sunday 6th May 15:47
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