RE: VW Launch Cayenne Rival

[RichardR]

H2DaE said:

Frimley111R said:

Another high powered, electronicially controlled monster. Fast but as much fun to drive as a dustbin. I just don't get why vehicles this big need to go so fast? They're never going to be sportscars.

Uh-oh ...how long before there is a track based race series for these?

Please god no, it would be all over after the first corner when they all end up on their roofs

Have you ever watched the doctor's Cayenne Turbo chasing the pack at the BTCC events? Not slow and certainly not on it's roof!

[RobM77]

paultither said:

I'm begging VW to put that engine into a Golf or even better the Iroc (Scirocco) if it would fit?!

Am I the only one?

Might be a bit, err.. nose heavy! How about in the middle

[H2DaE]

There was that Golf that had the twin turbo W12 engine with 650bhp and huge wide arches

[bennno]

I think its great that more and more power is being stuffed in to 2.5+ ton leviathians.

It now means the brain dead owners can enjoy sportscar performance in total personal safety, whilst in the event of an accident the other car occupants will surely be killed.

The kinetic energy in one of these or a Cayenne turbo being driven at speed simply doesnt bear thinking about.

Bennno

[TimJMS]

bennno said:

I think its great that more and more power is being stuffed in to 2.5+ ton leviathians.

It now means the brain dead owners can enjoy sportscar performance in total personal safety, whilst in the event of an accident the other car occupants will surely be killed.

The kinetic energy in one of these or a Cayenne turbo being driven at speed simply doesnt bear thinking about.

Bennno

Interesting comments from someone who drives a "Vauxhall Monaro VXR - 6L (2007)"

Just how much less damage do you think you could do with one of those compared to a Cayenne? 20%?

[Stubweiser GTI]

Great, another pointless car to compete with THE most pointless car in the world.

[DaveCavRS4]

I like it , Id have bought one instead of the RR if the Mrs would have liked it.

I dont see why people have a problem with "fast" 4x4's if you don't like them don't buy them ??

someone else will

[pikey]

Stubweiser GTI said:

Great, another pointless car to compete with THE most pointless car in the world.

Yes, great! I want the world to be filled with lots and lots of pointless products that I can buy if I so choose.

[toohuge]

Bold claim that, 'one of the most powerful suv's on the market.' With the supercharged rr running 420, Porsche turbo 515 i imagine that the VW will come in at a bland 450-475. Considering that Porsche has such a say in VW why would they produce a car to defeat one of its own?

[bennno]

TimJMS said:

bennno said:

I think its great that more and more power is being stuffed in to 2.5+ ton leviathians.

It now means the brain dead owners can enjoy sportscar performance in total personal safety, whilst in the event of an accident the other car occupants will surely be killed.

The kinetic energy in one of these or a Cayenne turbo being driven at speed simply doesnt bear thinking about.

Bennno

Interesting comments from someone who drives a "Vauxhall Monaro VXR - 6L (2007)"

Just how much less damage do you think you could do with one of those compared to a Cayenne? 20%?

In short a sportscar or sports saloon is designed ultimately to handle, stop and steer.

The 4wd design 'blueprint' is a dynamic compromise to enable ground clearance for off road use.

Stuffing said car full of massive bhp, put simply, makes it dangerous given its on stilts and fitted with less than optimum rubber.

Kinetic energy is (i believe) weight x speed so if 4wd is double the weight of conventional car it will have the potential to transfer more than twice as much energy to whatever it hits. nasty

Bennno

[RobM77]

bennno said:

TimJMS said:

bennno said:

I think its great that more and more power is being stuffed in to 2.5+ ton leviathians.

It now means the brain dead owners can enjoy sportscar performance in total personal safety, whilst in the event of an accident the other car occupants will surely be killed.

The kinetic energy in one of these or a Cayenne turbo being driven at speed simply doesnt bear thinking about.

Bennno

Interesting comments from someone who drives a "Vauxhall Monaro VXR - 6L (2007)"

Just how much less damage do you think you could do with one of those compared to a Cayenne? 20%?

In short a sportscar or sports saloon is designed ultimately to handle, stop and steer.

The 4wd design 'blueprint' is a dynamic compromise to enable ground clearance for off road use.

Stuffing said car full of massive bhp, put simply, makes it dangerous given its on stilts and fitted with less than optimum rubber.

Kinetic energy is (i believe) weight x speed so if 4wd is double the weight of conventional car it will have the potential to transfer more than twice as much energy to whatever it hits. nasty

Bennno

yes, K.E. is half the mass multipled by the square of the speed - so is directly proportional to mass.

The main issue is the dynamics of the collision itself. An off roader's hard points don't line up with other, generally lower, cars. If two superminis crash into each other, everything goes to plan with the crumple zones etc. However, if a 4x4 hits a supermini then they tend to just punch straight through the upper half of the car - decapitation springs to mind.

Again, the main issue with handling is the height of the CofG. The reason a Boxster handles so well is because its engine is so low in the chassis, and the reason the 348/Testarossa had a reputation was the height of their engines in their chassis. With an off roader, you've got a dynamic nightmare as the CofG and roll centre are incredibly high - probably higher than the roof of an ordinary car. Unavoidably a compromise on the road, but I'm sure everyone that buys a 4x4 knows that and accepts it.

[tbops]

Have any of the people who are actualy disliking the drive of a cayenne turbo or rr sport driven one. Its like me claiming a monaro is the same as the last gen mustang all poke big bore waste of petrol non corner taking excuse for a car. I cant claim that as i have never drivin one. On the other hand ive driven both the rr sport and the cayenne turbo both are really good drives, they control really well round bends loads of grip and really fun. I think it was the porker that went round a track as fast as an m3? that alone shows that its better than your average maverick!

As for collisions i understand the momentum pointo viewbut you have to undrstand that you cant be the only one thats thought of this im sure there hasbeen thought put in to the internals for car-suv impacts.

[Bencolem]

I've got a Touareg (in my defence we live in the middle of the countryside and my wife has horses) and I have to say much to my original chargrin) its an absolutely fantastic car. The appearance / image is so much less aggressive / footballery than an X5 (which can't tow much anyway), a Cayenne and an ML (Discovery was way too big and slow and I'm not old enough for a Volvo). Plus the interior of the Touareg is still (in my opinion) the best of the lot. Its a real feat of engineering - its such a quiet smooth luxury car (especially considering all the 4WD kit, diff locks, high and low gear box, tyre size and aerodynamics) and with the adjustable air suspension and paddle shift gearbox can genuinely feel like three cars in one sometimes. My only worry with the R50 is the weight distribution. I went for the V8 (because I love big petrol V8s) but I did test drive a V10tdi and it felt V.nose heavy compared to the V8. I can't blame it on my age (31) so it must be down to the car - I genuinely love the easy going but transformer style nature of the car (and I had a ZM Coupe before!).

[Hereward]

Bencolem said:

I went for the V8 (because I love big petrol V8s) but I did test drive a V10tdi and it felt V.nose heavy compared to the V8

The V10 diesel engine is 200kg heavier than the V8!

[bennno]

tbops said:

Have any of the people who are actualy disliking the drive of a cayenne turbo or rr sport driven one. Its like me claiming a monaro is the same as the last gen mustang all poke big bore waste of petrol non corner taking excuse for a car. I cant claim that as i have never drivin one. On the other hand ive driven both the rr sport and the cayenne turbo both are really good drives, they control really well round bends loads of grip and really fun. I think it was the porker that went round a track as fast as an m3? that alone shows that its better than your average maverick!

As for collisions i understand the momentum pointo viewbut you have to undrstand that you cant be the only one thats thought of this im sure there hasbeen thought put in to the internals for car-suv impacts.

Yes, a Porsche dealership lent me a Cayenne Turbo for a weekend just after it was launched, I stand by my comments that putting stupid hp in a non road optimised chassis is both dangerous and pointless.

I am not disputing it was fun, simply that its a potentially highly dangerous combination of mass + high centre of gravity + non suited tyres etc.

Bennno

[anniesdad]

Is anybody else getting completely and utterly bored with all this performance 4x4 malarky. I was looking at a news update from OPC Guildford earlier, proudly showing off the new Cayenne GTS with 24mm lowered suspension and Porsche Active Suspension M..zzzzzzzzzzzz

[nubbin.]

Sadly the blingy 4x4 is now the Chav-chariot of choice - any scumbag round my way with a few bob in t'bank from his smuggled fags racket and drug dealing, has gone for either a base model Cayenne or a Rangie Sport with Project Kahn 20" rims. Yummy mummys are getting their V6 Toerags in a tangle outside the school gates, and so it's become impossible to buy anything 4x4, so the way forward is proper cars - nice little soft top and an expensive looking estate car.

[scotia_steve74]

Having had a few fast cars, GT3, Box, now running an R32, I need something a little bigger and that can cope with the 10 speedbumps that I have to cross to get to my house from the main road!!!

I have a need for a big boot now for work and the ground clearance would help with these idiotic bumps here in Edinburgh. Also I could tow a motorbike to track days and keep it strictly set up for that.

The only thing that puts me off is the image but how come the enviro-"mentalists" have got us all hating 4x4's now!

Looks like a cool car for me that can deal with the 10 speed bumps, has loads of room and a decent bit of poke without being a BMW or a Porsche - my R32 cab be left anywhere without fear of keying!

Having got an 07 Blade for fast road stuff, I'm not fussed about a massively fast road car now but space and a bit of low down grunt with ground clearance is perfect. Would love an RS4 estate but it's still an estate and has not got the clearance for these stupid speed bumps!