RE: Six points for speeding

[drewtt]

rightly so if you go 45 in a 30 zone, although i think the amount of points for getting caught doing something like 32 should be reduced.

[herewego]

cp794 said:

stephen300o said:

Driving properly is safer than sticking to speed limits, it keeps you awake and you look where your going and judge your speed to road conditions rather than staring at your speedo making sure it matches random limit signs.

I am really lucky at the moment as I am living in Germany, most days I cruise up and down the autobahns at speeds in excess of 100 mph, paying attention and concentrating at the same time, however on the odd occasion where I haven't really been in a hurry, I will sometimes drive about 80 mph, but it is a damn site more dangerous to do so, because you kind of switch off, and that is how accidents happen, so most of the time its foot to the floor, apart from the speed restricted sections of course!!

And the really great thing is that you can overtake the Polizei, without any worries in an unrestricted zone.

Eventually I will have to come back to Britain, but this Government have really screwed the country up, when a guy can get jailed for 10 weeks for speeding, yet somebody beats up an old man, blinding him in one eye and all they get is a suspended sentence, it is so wrong!!

I think you got the 10 weeks for speeding wrong. Apparently you can't be gaoled for speeding.

[herewego]

BIANCO said:

spoonoff said:

If you are doing over 45 in a 30 zone you deserve what you get.

I would agree if it was somewhere that is genuinely dangerous like outside a school but the police don’t sit outside schools. They sit on stretches of roads wear people naturally drive over the limit because its usually safe to do so.

The road wear I regally see cops parked up giving out tickets as on one side the back of an industrial estate and the other a forest. You can easily and safely drive down it at 45 mph that’s the sort of roads they sit and wait on.

I would rather have a system were you got find a certain amount for every mph over the limit, a fiver for every one mph over the limit for example. And leave the points system alone.

It's the points that affect behaviour. Fines don't seem to bother people.

[anonymous-user]

drewtt said:

rightly so if you go 45 in a 30 zone, although i think the amount of points for getting caught doing something like 32 should be reduced.

No! You shouldn't get ANY points for 32 in a 30!

[herewego]

flemke said:

Sgt^Roc said:

spoonoff said:

If you are doing over 45 in a 30 zone you deserve what you get.

but if you rape someone they let you out early

Good point.

Have we ever had a justification for why a custodial sentence of "X" is normally reduced to "half-X", but driving ban and licence points durations are never shortened?

I don't think it's such a good point. Reduced sentences are dependant on good behaviour. They are an incentive to toe the line while inside and probably after release too. I expect the initial sentence reflects the early release scheme.
But you're right, there could be a similar system for motoring points. e.g. 6 points reducing by a point a year if no further offences committed.

[Flipatron]

So Labour are once again dealing with a problem that doesn't exist.

Edited by Flipatron on Saturday 10th November 11:57

[Road Pest]

Seems sensible to me, if you want to increase people's use of public transport, ban them from driving......

[shadows.fan]

I SUPORT THIS 100000000000000%.get some of the boy racers off the road

Edited by shadows.fan on Saturday 10th November 13:27

[Vipers]

schnellbomber said:

spoonoff said:

If you are doing over 45 in a 30 zone you deserve what you get.

Great, another keyboard warrior.

Welcome

Agree with first comment, 30 zone are built up areas and normally pedestrians/schools etc , lets face it, we are all big boys and girls now and drive our little tin cans on the roads, and if we cant just stick with 30 through this zone, are we able to call our competent drivers?, I think not.

Not hard to stick with the limits is it? I, and many have done so for many years.

I do not agree with motorways limits, but whilst they are in force, those who choose to blatently ignore them, deserve whatever they get dished out when caught.

[Vipers]

odyssey2200 said:

F all to do with safety!

Just another turn of the screw againt the motorist.

Big brother flexing his muscles again because he can.

So you dont think a car driving 45 in a zone 30 is perhaps unsafe for the pedestrians and other road users, like cyclist, dear oh dear.......

[Finchy172]

First thing they need to do is review all the limits and areas.

I know 30 limits that should in fact be 60 limits.
Im all for 30 mph in built up areas, or roads with driveways coming off these.

And i agree that 6 points should be dished out to anyone thats doing 45mph in a 30 zone etc. Saves the costs of courts.

I have 3 points for tarvelling ar 38 mph in a 30 zone, and that was within 50m of the limit starting.

I was coming from a very fast 60 mph zone braking hard into the 30 limit and doing 38 mph. Which is where i got cuaght, i tried to argue my case that within another 10m i would have been at the limit but they didnt want to know.

So these things need to be reviewed, as well as the siting of the camera vans.

[Vipers]

rbryant said:

Ever tried doing 20 mph when the road is clear?

So are you saying that if the road was clear, then the speed limit is not maintainable?

Up in Portlethen, Aberdenshire we have the 20 zones during the times of kiddlewinks come out of school, there is more than often no people to be seen, but I have to say have no problem sticking to 20 along the nice straight road past the school.

Any Qualified driver worth his salt should be able to maintain a constant speed notwithstanding what that limit is?, or am I only the one

[Bing o]

Vipers said:

odyssey2200 said:

F all to do with safety!

Just another turn of the screw againt the motorist.

Big brother flexing his muscles again because he can.

So you dont think a car driving 45 in a zone 30 is perhaps unsafe for the pedestrians and other road users, like cyclist, dear oh dear.......

But that's the point - there are plenty of 30mph roads that are well sighted and safe to do 40+ down them at many times of the day. There are also plenty that aren't.

When was the last time you saw a speed camera outside a school?

ETA How's this for an idea - you get points and a fine when you crash, over and above any insurance hike. Each crash is worth 6 points, 12 if it requires an ambulance/police attendance. The points and fine are attributed based on the agreement the insurance company comes to re liability. Same with the fine, which is a calculation based on the two parties gross salary. So if you don't have accidents, you keep a clean license, if you keep causing accidents, then you lose your license quickly.

The current legislation is a joke - notice how they bought this in just after the 6 points for failing to name the driver. They know that their road safety policy is dead in the water and the figures are getting worse by the year, and have to be seen to be doing something now, despite in reality the solution requiring about 10 years to correct driver behaviour and change public attitudes to fault and culpability.

Unfortunately, their failure to address the true causes of most accidents is costing hundreds of lives a year.

Edited by Bing o on Saturday 10th November 14:29

[herewego]

Finchy172 said:

First thing they need to do is review all the limits and areas.

I know 30 limits that should in fact be 60 limits.
Im all for 30 mph in built up areas, or roads with driveways coming off these.

And i agree that 6 points should be dished out to anyone thats doing 45mph in a 30 zone etc. Saves the costs of courts.

I have 3 points for tarvelling ar 38 mph in a 30 zone, and that was within 50m of the limit starting.

I was coming from a very fast 60 mph zone braking hard into the 30 limit and doing 38 mph. Which is where i got cuaght, i tried to argue my case that within another 10m i would have been at the limit but they didnt want to know.

So these things need to be reviewed, as well as the siting of the camera vans.

Maybe you left the braking too late? Do you need a 30 zone ahead sign, or an extra sign on the 30 sign that says "The 30 limit starts here"?

[Bing o]

M44TNH said:

stephen300o said:

marsred said:

Bing o said:

FFS, lets put in a blanket limit of 10 mph everywhere so no-one will die...

Accidents happen, people should be more responsible for their own actions rather than relying on someoone else to bail them out. If you are too ing stupid not to be looking where you are going when there are 2 ton pieces of metal flying about then you are too stupid to live, and your swift removal from the gene pool will be of immense benefit to everyone.

What he said...

Same here

"people should be more responsible for their own actions rather than relying on someoone else to bail them out" - so you accept the penalty for 45 in a 30 - the point you are arguing against? ................4rse

I'd accept the penalty if I was guilty. However the premise is flawed, and I am lobbying both my MP and Transport Ministers to get them to focus on the real causes of accidents.

BTW, swear at me again mate, and you'll be shitting out of two arseholes

[flattotheboards]

i reckon they should make some of the safer motorways limitless but be tough on speed restrictions in towns etc. i reckon that this would work because people wouldnt feel the need to speed.

[TripleS]

Vipers said:

odyssey2200 said:

F all to do with safety!

Just another turn of the screw againt the motorist.

Big brother flexing his muscles again because he can.

So you dont think a car driving 45 in a zone 30 is perhaps unsafe for the pedestrians and other road users, like cyclist, dear oh dear.......

It very well could be unsafe if it was a genuine 30 limit and there were pedestrians or cyclists around.

On the other hand it could be that portion of a 30 limit that starts well outside a village, and there are no hazards for the next couple of hundred yards, by which time you've arrived at the village and there will be hazards, making the 30 limit appropriate.

Best wishes all,
Dave.

[covert ops]

Without getting into the sniping over which speed is safe where etc
I'd just like to say that driving nowadays is so frustrating because of the dumbing down of the average UK driver.

People literally paralysed at the governments "safe" speed or having the message "speed kills" rammed down our throats every two seconds.

Numpty drivers who have no spacial,lane or speed awareness have killed the enjoyment of driving, by inviting the government with open arms to open a fresh revenue well (In the name of safety), so that every journey is now a chore.

I'm in my mid thirties and can clearly remember having to drive according to the conditions and judge for myself what was appropriate. (oh the good ole days!!)
Take a look at the state of the roads, excessive camera's and signage is taking away from concentrating on the job at hand, (wonder how many deaths there have been with vehicles hitting street furniture!!)

God knows what the roads will be like for future generations??
Probably as enjoyable as our great public transport service is now!

Im off for a hoon
(And shall be sticking strictly to the 30, 40, and 50 limit,)

Excited....no I didnt think so.

Edited by covert ops on Saturday 10th November 15:24

[Sir Jonny]

I think that as a large group of motorists we should start a downing street petetion but with a difference.

Instead of campaigning against boocks like this we should campaign for more sensible law changes and policy. This will get far more support and will equally shaft the current government policy.

We should campaign for:
1) A complete review of speed limits on all roads, with a view to lowering the limit around busy pedestrian areas and raising the limit where it is appropriate to do so. This could mean variable limits on motorways, allowing toe down action on dry deserted stretches and lower speeds in rain / heavy traffic. If this was done properly then zero tollerance would be ok.
2) More proper traffic police. Not Highways officers or speed cameras but trained officers who can police sensibly.
3) If the government want easy money then make misuse of foglights, lane hogging, illegal regstration plates and other such habits a fixed £60. They could even back this up with a campaign making it clear that it is wr tax!
4) Swap speed cameras for DVLA cameras, linked to the extra patrol cars to make the road unusable for Pykies.

There are loads more sensible policies that would provide the Government with their required income and actually make the roads safer. There would be a huge set up cost but probably less than road charging.

[fatboy18]

We the motorists need an offical spokes person or party to lobby goverment and councils. Recently I went along to my local residents meeting where the local councilers listen to the residents about issues in the area. Things that I thought would would be discussed were the placing of a pelicane crossing near the local school, cutting back of overgrown hederows that force motorists into the centre of local roads running the gauntlet against each other, yobs and petty crime....But oh no! the old farts at the meeting were more concerned on getting hold of a Laser radar gun to catch locals speeding down country lanes! Im sick to death of people moaning about speeding motorists, its about time these people need re-educating. In traffic accidents,the fault is always pointed at the speeding motorist, not the child or adult that didnt bother to look properly when steping out onto the road! I know this is a sensitive subject but its not always the motorists fault. I will also aggree with other comments on this forum about the increase everywere of street furiniture, the latest in my area being these signs that flash Slow Down with the speed limit lit up! half the time you have to slow down because of the pot holes and poor road surfaces. To here that this goverment is of giving motorists more points and fines makes me mad. How about you boys at PH Headquaters, would you guys be willing to lobby for the motorist? Lets face it the other motoring orginsations like the AA and RAC always seem to bow to goverment. Its about time for us to say enough is enough.