RE: Six points for speeding
Discussion
Another blatant attempt to milk yet more cash from the motorist -Ill believe they are genuine when they put as much effort into taking the one in eight motorists off the road who are uninsured ie, crooks, immigrants with no licence or experience, people who just find its cheaper to pay a fine than get insurance.
Funny, you really dont see people banging on about these scumbags, yet statistics prove they are responsible for more road deaths than speeding. Oh wait a minute could it possibly be because its more luctrative to hammer the registered and therfore financially viable motorist -or am I being cynical?
Funny, you really dont see people banging on about these scumbags, yet statistics prove they are responsible for more road deaths than speeding. Oh wait a minute could it possibly be because its more luctrative to hammer the registered and therfore financially viable motorist -or am I being cynical?
Wilder said:
Another blatant attempt to milk yet more cash from the motorist -Ill believe they are genuine when they put as much effort into taking the one in eight motorists off the road who are uninsured ie, crooks, immigrants with no licence or experience, people who just find its cheaper to pay a fine than get insurance.
Funny, you really dont see people banging on about these scumbags, yet statistics prove they are responsible for more road deaths than speeding. Oh wait a minute could it possibly be because its more luctrative to hammer the registered and therfore financially viable motorist -or am I being cynical?
Eh ?Funny, you really dont see people banging on about these scumbags, yet statistics prove they are responsible for more road deaths than speeding. Oh wait a minute could it possibly be because its more luctrative to hammer the registered and therfore financially viable motorist -or am I being cynical?
Have you noticed the increasing number of uninsured vehicles getting getting seized/crushed, whilst the drivers of them are prosecuted for the offence ?
vonhosen said:
Wilder said:
Another blatant attempt to milk yet more cash from the motorist -Ill believe they are genuine when they put as much effort into taking the one in eight motorists off the road who are uninsured ie, crooks, immigrants with no licence or experience, people who just find its cheaper to pay a fine than get insurance.
Funny, you really dont see people banging on about these scumbags, yet statistics prove they are responsible for more road deaths than speeding. Oh wait a minute could it possibly be because its more luctrative to hammer the registered and therfore financially viable motorist -or am I being cynical?
Eh ?Funny, you really dont see people banging on about these scumbags, yet statistics prove they are responsible for more road deaths than speeding. Oh wait a minute could it possibly be because its more luctrative to hammer the registered and therfore financially viable motorist -or am I being cynical?
Have you noticed the increasing number of uninsured vehicles getting getting seized/crushed, whilst the drivers of them are prosecuted for the offence ?
Any view on why in the UK we cannot have government-issued reg plates, which most civilised nations seem to be able to produce and regulate quite easily?
It pretty much eliminates cloning, and the plate expiration stickers are not issued without proof of insurance and MOT.
Accidents happen .... thats why they're called accidents.
We have about 32 million vehicles in the UK. If each of those does 3 journeys per day (pretty conservative average I'd say) then there are approximately 35 BILLION vehicle journeys every year. Thats 35 THOUSAND MILLION journeys.
And we think that 400 deaths per year where excessive speed is a factor is something to tear our collective follicles out for?
Just look around you ..... at rush hour .... there are vehicles everywhere ... loads of them .... travelling at 'speed' ... every day.
Our record is actually VERY impressive.
There has to be a level below which we will never fall ... as long as cars and people share the same space. We have already reached it ..... the figures show it.
Accidents happen .... shit happens ..... live with it.
We have about 32 million vehicles in the UK. If each of those does 3 journeys per day (pretty conservative average I'd say) then there are approximately 35 BILLION vehicle journeys every year. Thats 35 THOUSAND MILLION journeys.
And we think that 400 deaths per year where excessive speed is a factor is something to tear our collective follicles out for?
Just look around you ..... at rush hour .... there are vehicles everywhere ... loads of them .... travelling at 'speed' ... every day.
Our record is actually VERY impressive.
There has to be a level below which we will never fall ... as long as cars and people share the same space. We have already reached it ..... the figures show it.
Accidents happen .... shit happens ..... live with it.
The difficulty for PH minded folk is the common idiocy of many UK compatriots.
In the media, this is exacerbated by political correctness.
I listened to a regional radio station last night just before lights out with no small incredulity as the presenter engaged audience folk in a phone in: the topic appeared to be speeding.
The standard of debate was typically contemporary British, i.e. mindless banal crap, lots of (I'd wager) Micra driving, Sunday queue-forming, retail park afficainados, predicating all manner of economically suicidal restrictions, ostensibly concerned with some Govt sponsored, totalitarianist propgandist cack set to counter the otherwise inevitable continuance of the wholesale slaughter of millions (i.e. safety, what else?) whilst in fact, it was nothing less than a contemporary assault by green eyed vermin upon the interminably suffering productive classes...
In this example, the programme presenter (an impossibly PC homosexual for whom one might summise their own condition appeared to define a lifelong commitment to painfully considered utterances lest the slightest offence be taken in any quarter, yet manifested as humourless intolerance of even the most benign, 'you really do know what I mean' generalisations,) proceeded to consider - following the inspirational suggestion of one of the weapons grade theologians phoning in - that "the biggest speeders seem to be middle aged men in powerful cars who seem to have something to prove."
Hmmm...
DJ Mince then uttered a thought provoking soliloquy in which - disapproval was implicit via the intaking and exhaling of breath - (along the lines of) 'ah yes, so middle aged men who can afford powerful cars speeding along, mmm; well, there's a price to pay...'
I then thought what that price could be? Years of risk, sacrifice and struggle in a business or career for many hundreds of thousands, representing the more significant contributions to the economic fabric of the nation without whom Micra Dunce's Sunday retail park therapy would be but a field dweller's dream?
But of course this was just another signpost on the road to our extinction: outside of the normal sources of totalitarian, 'green' propoganda, we, as PHers, exist amidst a body of people who have frankly, minimal experience of chairs.
Against this reality, I'm afraid the current 'democracy' offers us almost no hope of a cessation in the crusade against our righteous inclinations.
The only hope, the only question is if, when Brown is kicked squarely from No.10 in two years' hence, will the incumbent Tory PM really roll back the communist oppression? Is the ratchet effect of taxation equally inflexible in application to other areas of policy?
Again, I see no alternative to tanks and a dicatator with a hyphen in their surname...
In the media, this is exacerbated by political correctness.
I listened to a regional radio station last night just before lights out with no small incredulity as the presenter engaged audience folk in a phone in: the topic appeared to be speeding.
The standard of debate was typically contemporary British, i.e. mindless banal crap, lots of (I'd wager) Micra driving, Sunday queue-forming, retail park afficainados, predicating all manner of economically suicidal restrictions, ostensibly concerned with some Govt sponsored, totalitarianist propgandist cack set to counter the otherwise inevitable continuance of the wholesale slaughter of millions (i.e. safety, what else?) whilst in fact, it was nothing less than a contemporary assault by green eyed vermin upon the interminably suffering productive classes...
In this example, the programme presenter (an impossibly PC homosexual for whom one might summise their own condition appeared to define a lifelong commitment to painfully considered utterances lest the slightest offence be taken in any quarter, yet manifested as humourless intolerance of even the most benign, 'you really do know what I mean' generalisations,) proceeded to consider - following the inspirational suggestion of one of the weapons grade theologians phoning in - that "the biggest speeders seem to be middle aged men in powerful cars who seem to have something to prove."
Hmmm...
DJ Mince then uttered a thought provoking soliloquy in which - disapproval was implicit via the intaking and exhaling of breath - (along the lines of) 'ah yes, so middle aged men who can afford powerful cars speeding along, mmm; well, there's a price to pay...'
I then thought what that price could be? Years of risk, sacrifice and struggle in a business or career for many hundreds of thousands, representing the more significant contributions to the economic fabric of the nation without whom Micra Dunce's Sunday retail park therapy would be but a field dweller's dream?
But of course this was just another signpost on the road to our extinction: outside of the normal sources of totalitarian, 'green' propoganda, we, as PHers, exist amidst a body of people who have frankly, minimal experience of chairs.
Against this reality, I'm afraid the current 'democracy' offers us almost no hope of a cessation in the crusade against our righteous inclinations.
The only hope, the only question is if, when Brown is kicked squarely from No.10 in two years' hence, will the incumbent Tory PM really roll back the communist oppression? Is the ratchet effect of taxation equally inflexible in application to other areas of policy?
Again, I see no alternative to tanks and a dicatator with a hyphen in their surname...
mondeoman said:
20 in a 30, 60 in a 30, it all depends on prevailing conditions, same as 50 on a motorway or 120, any of these can be totally safe or incredibly dangerous.
Drive to the conditions and being able to stop in the space you CAN SEE TO BE CLEAR and the rest will be history.
Yes yes yesDrive to the conditions and being able to stop in the space you CAN SEE TO BE CLEAR and the rest will be history.
Stopping distance at 30 mph? 45 feet according to the highway code. Plus 30 feet to react, so 75 feet, or 25 yards.
At 20 mph, 20 +20 = 40 feet total. About the length of two parked cas plus gaps.
When I do 45 in a 30 it is because I can see far enough ahead. When I do 15 in a 30 it is because I can't. A limit is a limit, not the maximum safe speed at the most conjested time of day, as they are now seeming to be used.
rbryant said:
When I do 45 in a 30 it is because I can see far enough ahead.
Here's an interesting observation for you. Whenever you see a car obviously speeding through a village, 9 times out of 10 they don't live there. Whenever you follow a car crawling through a village, 9 times out of 10 they do live there. It's very rare to see cars speeding in their home village. Just something I've noticed a lot living in the countryside.
As a PH I like driving fast, but I've learned to respect other people's rights too. So I stick to the limit in residential areas, even if I could drive faster if I felt like it. On the other hand I treat open road 60s and 70s as advisory
The issue for PHers is quite simply their possible prosection in the wilds of 'X'moor, as it were.
Frankly, the concept of speed cameras in non-populated rural environs, other, sweeping B and A roads and m-ways especially, is quite wrong headed.
Twin or triple tiered m-ways, 5, maybe 6 lanes abrest with variable licencing and limits: let us aim for a scenario where several hundred mile m-way journeys can be undertaken on ocassion at deep, 3 figure speeds.
This is 2007. The bottom inspectors render the thinking more akin to that of 1907 where they dream of a flapping, red flag before every noble, Veyronic snout.
Frankly, the concept of speed cameras in non-populated rural environs, other, sweeping B and A roads and m-ways especially, is quite wrong headed.
Twin or triple tiered m-ways, 5, maybe 6 lanes abrest with variable licencing and limits: let us aim for a scenario where several hundred mile m-way journeys can be undertaken on ocassion at deep, 3 figure speeds.
This is 2007. The bottom inspectors render the thinking more akin to that of 1907 where they dream of a flapping, red flag before every noble, Veyronic snout.
uktrailmonster said:
Here's an interesting observation for you. Whenever you see a car obviously speeding through a village, 9 times out of 10 they don't live there. Whenever you follow a car crawling through a village, 9 times out of 10 they do live there. It's very rare to see cars speeding in their home village. Just something I've noticed a lot living in the countryside.
More often than not, the people who get caught on smaller roads in excess fo the speed limit tend to be local. Usually it's the same locals who've complained about speeders and asked for the checks
mechsympathy said:
uktrailmonster said:
Here's an interesting observation for you. Whenever you see a car obviously speeding through a village, 9 times out of 10 they don't live there. Whenever you follow a car crawling through a village, 9 times out of 10 they do live there. It's very rare to see cars speeding in their home village. Just something I've noticed a lot living in the countryside.
More often than not, the people who get caught on smaller roads in excess fo the speed limit tend to be local. Usually it's the same locals who've complained about speeders and asked for the checksThe majority of those speeding lived in the village...
That's exactly what I'm referring to.Bing o said:
mechsympathy said:
uktrailmonster said:
Here's an interesting observation for you. Whenever you see a car obviously speeding through a village, 9 times out of 10 they don't live there. Whenever you follow a car crawling through a village, 9 times out of 10 they do live there. It's very rare to see cars speeding in their home village. Just something I've noticed a lot living in the countryside.
More often than not, the people who get caught on smaller roads in excess fo the speed limit tend to be local. Usually it's the same locals who've complained about speeders and asked for the checksThe majority of those speeding lived in the village...
I never used to break the speed limit in the village .... but then locals campaigned for 20mph speed limits for most of the village .... and were successful. I'm afraid that I still do up to 30mph in these areas ...... simply because its absolutely insane to be doing 17mph on a long straight half mile stretch of road (just try it sometime). By the way .... the 20mph WASN'T introduced past the local school!!
uktrailmonster said:
rbryant said:
When I do 45 in a 30 it is because I can see far enough ahead.
Here's an interesting observation for you. Whenever you see a car obviously speeding through a village, 9 times out of 10 they don't live there. Whenever you follow a car crawling through a village, 9 times out of 10 they do live there. It's very rare to see cars speeding in their home village. Just something I've noticed a lot living in the countryside.
As a PH I like driving fast, but I've learned to respect other people's rights too. So I stick to the limit in residential areas, even if I could drive faster if I felt like it. On the other hand I treat open road 60s and 70s as advisory
Skinner.Daddy said:
They should re classify all speed limts to meet current vehicle standards and scrap the 30+ year old speed limits.
Then have varied fines for the more you do, 1 point for up to 10% over the limit 2 points for 15% over or something like that.
Who ever thought of having a 12 point licence system and then only dish out 3 or 6 point fines anyway?
30+ years? The 30 mph limit came into force during the 1930s. Thus showing the severety of it's age. The insane thing about all of this is that speed limits are now being set lower and lower for policital reasons and not that of safety. No one can argue that 45 in a 30 is dangerous when the goal posts have been moved so far. Before this bunch of socialists came to power our limits were set scientifically by professionals. Now they are set by car hating council officials. Therefore doing 45 in a 30 that this time last year was a 50 and had been since the dawn of time shouldn't be automatcially judged as dangerous. Then have varied fines for the more you do, 1 point for up to 10% over the limit 2 points for 15% over or something like that.
Who ever thought of having a 12 point licence system and then only dish out 3 or 6 point fines anyway?
BIANCO said:
skymaster said:
Skinner.Daddy said:
They should re classify all speed limts to meet current vehicle standards and scrap the 30+ year old speed limits.
Then have varied fines for the more you do, 1 point for up to 10% over the limit 2 points for 15% over or something like that.
Who ever thought of having a 12 point licence system and then only dish out 3 or 6 point fines anyway?
30+ years? The 30 mph limit came into force during the 1930s. Thus showing the severety of it's age. The insane thing about all of this is that speed limits are now being set lower and lower for policital reasons and not that of safety. No one can argue that 45 in a 30 is dangerous when the goal posts have been moved so far. Before this bunch of socialists came to power our limits were set scientifically by professionals. Now they are set by car hating council officials. Therefore doing 45 in a 30 that this time last year was a 50 and had been since the dawn of time shouldn't be automatcially judged as dangerous. Then have varied fines for the more you do, 1 point for up to 10% over the limit 2 points for 15% over or something like that.
Who ever thought of having a 12 point licence system and then only dish out 3 or 6 point fines anyway?
It is going to be 20mph everywhere soon or later just to be on the safe side.
Today in all walks of life, we have to be proactive, and "Risk assessment". One thing may, and I say may coz I dont know, is the reason for some roads having a reduction in limit is the overall, not just on that road, overall amount of drivers who blatently abuse current limits.
On a personal basis, we have a dual carriage on the A90, which is normally 70 mph, has been reduced to 40mph fir the 18 months of road works, I find it absolutely no problem maintaining 40mph through the road works.
We mention the 30+ limit, since it came out, we have zillions of vehicles on the roads, more pedestrians etc, not to mention even £650 bucket "used" cars being driven by a lot of young drivers far excess speeds of cars of even 10 years ago. Anyway I think you get my drift.
skymaster said:
Skinner.Daddy said:
They should re classify all speed limts to meet current vehicle standards and scrap the 30+ year old speed limits.
Then have varied fines for the more you do, 1 point for up to 10% over the limit 2 points for 15% over or something like that.
Who ever thought of having a 12 point licence system and then only dish out 3 or 6 point fines anyway?
30+ years? The 30 mph limit came into force during the 1930s. Thus showing the severety of it's age. The insane thing about all of this is that speed limits are now being set lower and lower for policital reasons and not that of safety. No one can argue that 45 in a 30 is dangerous when the goal posts have been moved so far. Before this bunch of socialists came to power our limits were set scientifically by professionals. Now they are set by car hating council officials. Therefore doing 45 in a 30 that this time last year was a 50 and had been since the dawn of time shouldn't be automatcially judged as dangerous. Then have varied fines for the more you do, 1 point for up to 10% over the limit 2 points for 15% over or something like that.
Who ever thought of having a 12 point licence system and then only dish out 3 or 6 point fines anyway?
If you do 45 in a 30, you are not charged with dangerous driving, just exceeding the limit.
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