RE: Six points for speeding
Discussion
agreeing with the in town limits ala 30 / 20 zones and built up areas but disagree with the national limits
i think it needs a more elastic approach circumstances etc, i do believe that there are some roads where u can safely do above 70mph however it also brings up driver capabilities etc
i think it needs a more elastic approach circumstances etc, i do believe that there are some roads where u can safely do above 70mph however it also brings up driver capabilities etc
Bing o said:
Fume Troll said:
You can argue the toss over what's dangerous or not, the point is that doing 150% of the speed limit is not acceptable.
Whether the speed limit is appropriate is an entirely different question.
Cheers,
FT.
Why not? 105 on a quiet motorway is unacceptable? Bollox is it, now go back under your bridgeWhether the speed limit is appropriate is an entirely different question.
Cheers,
FT.
Cheers,
FT.
spoonoff said:
Oh... i thought this was a debate.
Personally, i love speeding, but there is a time and a place.
It is meant to be a debate, sort of.( Personally, i love speeding, but there is a time and a place.
)Perhaps I misunderstood your point, which I thought was that six minutes wasn't much of a difference. As Bing o observed, six minutes times two trips a day over the course of a year is a meaningful amount of time.
HertsBiker said:
Fume Troll said:
You can argue the toss over what's dangerous or not, the point is that doing 150% of the speed limit is not acceptable.
Whether the speed limit is appropriate is an entirely different question.
Cheers,
FT.
It's acceptable to me. 105 on the m-way is not a big deal nor should it be illegal. Funny how laws that the gov find inconvenient are scrapped (age of consent for example, so mp's can get off with rent boys legally), but speeding is such a no-no. FFS there are 30 times as many dying of cancer a year. Spend the camera budget on a cure for cancer.Whether the speed limit is appropriate is an entirely different question.
Cheers,
FT.
)Cheers,
FT.
doddy1982 said:
It seems to me this new law has been introduced because people do speed too much in built up areas (30mph zones). I agree whole heartedly with the punishment of 6 points if you do 45 in a 30. That is quite a big difference in speed, and a person being hit at 50% greater speed than they would have been if the driver was not speeding will make a massive difference to survival chances.
I know people should not be in the road at all when cars are there, and cross the road in a much safer and more sensible fashion, (stop, look, listen, think then cross, I learnt this when I was a kid!) but people are quite often plain stupid or easily distracted when they should be concentrating, yet it would be nice to know if you make that error when crossing, there is someone doing the speed limit.
All I do in the speed debates is say 2 things.
1) People should learn how to cross the road properly.
2) Imagine a loved one was run over by a speeder in a 30mph limit and died. Those who argue against the idea would feel very different then.
FFS, lets put in a blanket limit of 10 mph everywhere so no-one will die...I know people should not be in the road at all when cars are there, and cross the road in a much safer and more sensible fashion, (stop, look, listen, think then cross, I learnt this when I was a kid!) but people are quite often plain stupid or easily distracted when they should be concentrating, yet it would be nice to know if you make that error when crossing, there is someone doing the speed limit.
All I do in the speed debates is say 2 things.
1) People should learn how to cross the road properly.
2) Imagine a loved one was run over by a speeder in a 30mph limit and died. Those who argue against the idea would feel very different then.
Accidents happen, people should be more responsible for their own actions rather than relying on someoone else to bail them out. If you are too
ing stupid not to be looking where you are going when there are 2 ton pieces of metal flying about then you are too stupid to live, and your swift removal from the gene pool will be of immense benefit to everyone.TEKNOPUG said:
Let's just massively increase the number of uninsured and untaxed cars on the road - ing fantastic!! A true work of genius!
On that note i know two people that have continued to drive when on a ban as they thought it was worth the risk of doing so because if they didn't it would have very serious repocusions on their life. If you live in a rural area and get a ban it is almost the equivalent of a prison sentence. ing fantastic!! A true work of genius!Bing o said:
FFS, lets put in a blanket limit of 10 mph everywhere so no-one will die...
Accidents happen, people should be more responsible for their own actions rather than relying on someoone else to bail them out. If you are tooing stupid not to be looking where you are going when there are 2 ton pieces of metal flying about then you are too stupid to live, and your swift removal from the gene pool will be of immense benefit to everyone.
Accidents happen, people should be more responsible for their own actions rather than relying on someoone else to bail them out. If you are too
ing stupid not to be looking where you are going when there are 2 ton pieces of metal flying about then you are too stupid to live, and your swift removal from the gene pool will be of immense benefit to everyone.
What he said...
Having just been to the US twice in the past month, one thing really stood out:
- having speed limits at 5mph increments rather than 10mph. So you get 35mph zones, or 25, 30, 40, 45, 50, 55... (up to 75 on some states' freeways)
I really think this should be adopted here. If a road is 'theoretically' safe at 39mph, then having a 35mph limit makes a noticeable difference rather than 30mph. It also tends to force the local authority to make a bit more of a conscious decision.
Not quite sure what the rules / methods are in the US to determine the limit on a given road though, or if they vary by state.
Another intelligent thing they have is variable limits outside schools - eg 35 mph, but 25mph when the yellow lights on the sign are flashing.
- having speed limits at 5mph increments rather than 10mph. So you get 35mph zones, or 25, 30, 40, 45, 50, 55... (up to 75 on some states' freeways)
I really think this should be adopted here. If a road is 'theoretically' safe at 39mph, then having a 35mph limit makes a noticeable difference rather than 30mph. It also tends to force the local authority to make a bit more of a conscious decision.
Not quite sure what the rules / methods are in the US to determine the limit on a given road though, or if they vary by state.
Another intelligent thing they have is variable limits outside schools - eg 35 mph, but 25mph when the yellow lights on the sign are flashing.
marsred said:
Bing o said:
FFS, lets put in a blanket limit of 10 mph everywhere so no-one will die...
Accidents happen, people should be more responsible for their own actions rather than relying on someoone else to bail them out. If you are tooing stupid not to be looking where you are going when there are 2 ton pieces of metal flying about then you are too stupid to live, and your swift removal from the gene pool will be of immense benefit to everyone.
Accidents happen, people should be more responsible for their own actions rather than relying on someoone else to bail them out. If you are too
ing stupid not to be looking where you are going when there are 2 ton pieces of metal flying about then you are too stupid to live, and your swift removal from the gene pool will be of immense benefit to everyone.What he said...
spoonoff said:
Obviously in residential areas it's a no-brainer.
Let's consider the far less common senario of, say, a deserted 10 mile stretch of duel carrigeway, that for whatever reason is under a 30 mph limit. You would be tempted to put your foot down, but you aren't going to enjoy the drive any more at 45 than at 30.
Think we are all missing the main issue here. Pistols and swords both cost lives.Let's consider the far less common senario of, say, a deserted 10 mile stretch of duel carrigeway, that for whatever reason is under a 30 mph limit. You would be tempted to put your foot down, but you aren't going to enjoy the drive any more at 45 than at 30.
Let's peanalise the motorist some more!! 
101 on 'How to make driving fun again':
It's about time roads in general were reclassified.
Speed limits just keep getting lower and lower. Journys that used to be fun are just mundane and slow now. All the country roads near me have gone from national speed limits to 40mph, with 30mph zones. 30mph zones are now becoming 20mph left righ and centre, and the dual carriageways are becoming 50mph everywhere, or worse, now 40mph!
Abolish the dog slow 20 mph zones, teach the little ****'s road safety insteaad maybe?
Sort out motorway road works, 40mph for 10 miles over a 6 month+ period is rediculous, especially when every time you drive through the roadworks there's not a sole in sight! They should be well planned, properly organised and done mob handedly for a week 24hours a day.
What's the point in having a dual carriage way if it's going to be 30mph?
Increase the national speed limit from 70mph to something more reasonable, say 100. It's not 1957 anymore, breaking and car safety tehcnology has improves slightly to say the least!
No speed cameras. full stop.
Imprison uninsured, non taxed, non MOT'd drivers. 6 months min for each offense. About time some justice was done!
Don't even get me started on the Dartford toll....
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101 on 'How to make driving fun again':
It's about time roads in general were reclassified.
Speed limits just keep getting lower and lower. Journys that used to be fun are just mundane and slow now. All the country roads near me have gone from national speed limits to 40mph, with 30mph zones. 30mph zones are now becoming 20mph left righ and centre, and the dual carriageways are becoming 50mph everywhere, or worse, now 40mph!
Abolish the dog slow 20 mph zones, teach the little ****'s road safety insteaad maybe?
Sort out motorway road works, 40mph for 10 miles over a 6 month+ period is rediculous, especially when every time you drive through the roadworks there's not a sole in sight! They should be well planned, properly organised and done mob handedly for a week 24hours a day.
What's the point in having a dual carriage way if it's going to be 30mph?
Increase the national speed limit from 70mph to something more reasonable, say 100. It's not 1957 anymore, breaking and car safety tehcnology has improves slightly to say the least!
No speed cameras. full stop.
Imprison uninsured, non taxed, non MOT'd drivers. 6 months min for each offense. About time some justice was done!
Don't even get me started on the Dartford toll....
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Edited by Pingman on Friday 9th November 13:21
30 limit onto M1 off N-Circular. Of course everyone adheres to the 30 because of pedestrians/houses/traffic flow 
Two stretches of dual carriage-way into Luton seperated by a roundabout. One is 30 one is 40. Both have crossings on, both have houses either side. The difference? One had a kid sadly die when someone didn't stop at a crossing.
That's not a speeding offence. That's not paying attention.
I wish this governement would understand that people would be much happier to obey sensible laws when they are a result of common sense and actual facts rather than politics.
Still, unless they start putting more police out on the road to catch you, what difference does it make?
Two stretches of dual carriage-way into Luton seperated by a roundabout. One is 30 one is 40. Both have crossings on, both have houses either side. The difference? One had a kid sadly die when someone didn't stop at a crossing.
That's not a speeding offence. That's not paying attention.
I wish this governement would understand that people would be much happier to obey sensible laws when they are a result of common sense and actual facts rather than politics.
Still, unless they start putting more police out on the road to catch you, what difference does it make?
doddy1982 said:
All I do in the speed debates is say 2 things.
1) People should learn how to cross the road properly.
2) Imagine a loved one was run over by a speeder in a 30mph limit and died. Those who argue against the idea would feel very different then.
I know someones whose brother was killed as he was drunk and according to witnesses literally jumped into the path (no warning) of a driver that was doing around 37MPH in a 30.1) People should learn how to cross the road properly.
2) Imagine a loved one was run over by a speeder in a 30mph limit and died. Those who argue against the idea would feel very different then.
Does he blame his brother - yes, he was pissed out of his brain and jumped into the path of a car.
Does he blame the driver - No, the road was big and wide, the pedestrian did something utterly unexpected, if he had of been doing 30 or even 20 there is no way he could have avoided it at that range.
Emotion has no place in a debate about road safety. I get tired of hearing about the mother of some teenager that is going on a crusade against "speeding" drivers because little Kevin decided to play chicken with a motorist.
Bad driving and pedestrians not paying attention kill. I personally would like to see a charge brought against pedestrians that step out in front of cars myself but then I like to take responsibility for my own actions
Fume Troll said:
Bing o said:
Fume Troll said:
You can argue the toss over what's dangerous or not, the point is that doing 150% of the speed limit is not acceptable.
Whether the speed limit is appropriate is an entirely different question.
Cheers,
FT.
Why not? 105 on a quiet motorway is unacceptable? Bollox is it, now go back under your bridgeWhether the speed limit is appropriate is an entirely different question.
Cheers,
FT.
Cheers,
FT.
You are saying 150% of the speed limit is unacceptable, in turn that means that in your view 105mph on a motorway is unacceptable???
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Stuart
Egbert Nobacon said:
schnellbomber said:
spoonoff said:
If you are doing over 45 in a 30 zone you deserve what you get.
Great, another keyboard warrior. Welcome
Fume Troll said:
Bing o said:
Fume Troll said:
You can argue the toss over what's dangerous or not, the point is that doing 150% of the speed limit is not acceptable.
Whether the speed limit is appropriate is an entirely different question.
Cheers,
FT.
Why not? 105 on a quiet motorway is unacceptable? Bollox is it, now go back under your bridgeWhether the speed limit is appropriate is an entirely different question.
Cheers,
FT.
Cheers,
FT.
iluvmercs said:
I'd need to read into the full details of this proposal, but I'm extremely annoyed by that most wonderful of statements "speed kills".
Speed in the wrong conditions kills.
Darren
No. Being hit kills. Speed is a measurement and therefore non-lethal.Speed in the wrong conditions kills.
Darren
It's not just kids though - I had a University lecturere run out infront of me - I was only doing about 15-20 mph, but he still went up onto my roof and ended up with a double broken leg.
Thanks to the pc claim direct world we live in, I have lost 3 years NCB as a result of him not looking. Now I can claim it back in February next year assuming he doesn't try and sue me, but I'm still out of pocket nearly 1 grand in premiums and interest thereon, purely as a result of his desire to get across the road.
I am actually tempted to sue him for it...
You have to question which roads drivers will be doing 45 or over in a 30 limit.
I doubt any but the most dangerous do these speeds in genuine residential areas, but there are many 30 limits that are simply inappropriate.
Wide main roads with no parked cars to obscure visibility. Close to me dual carriageways which cross open heath land. Other dual carriageways that run through a residential area and so forth.
These are the type of roads which will be targeted by Cameras and Vans.
I doubt any but the most dangerous do these speeds in genuine residential areas, but there are many 30 limits that are simply inappropriate.
Wide main roads with no parked cars to obscure visibility. Close to me dual carriageways which cross open heath land. Other dual carriageways that run through a residential area and so forth.
These are the type of roads which will be targeted by Cameras and Vans.
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