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annodomini2
4,774 posts
120 months
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Tonto said: joz8968 said: angus54 said: ...How did you work out those figs as a matter of interest?... Well, for a start, given the kerb weight, power and driven wheels, I figured the 0-60 would be the high to mid 5s anyway... but... see the below link!... http://www.letstorquebhp.com/calculator.asp I think traction (or the lack of it) is going to be a big issue with the 0-60 times, more like 7 secs I would think. joz8968 said: 0 - 100 mph... c. 13.9 sec
Drag Strip Quarter Mile... c. 13.7 sec
Drag Strip Terminal Speed... c. 102 mph I personally think these are more unrealistic, remember this car is more aerodynamic travelling in reverse. Oh an to the guy writing the report, how much of the work are you doing yourself?
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heightswitch
3,413 posts
119 months
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Uncle Frankie rides again.
Excellent.
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GTMSpyder
96 posts
95 months
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I modded an 827 Vitesse many years ago..... I tried to get the ECU remapped at Superchips and BBR but neither of them could decipher it! (this was sometime in the early 90's though). I had the cams reprofiled, heads flowed, tubular manifolds made and the hydraulic followers converted to solid and it pulled to the rev-limiter in top in no time at all.....it didn't tick over very well though (hence trying to get the ECU remapped). If you take out the inlet butterfly plate (switches from long to short inlet tracts for top end power) you get a better top end because it completely removes the restriction, but less low down torque. Did you see the video of Tony Pond averaging over 100mph round the IOM TT Circuit in a lightly modified (different exhaust & slicks) 827 Vitesse? Awesome, very quick.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnKyMgry9iQIts a great engine with a really nice exhaust note (like a Stratos/Ferrari Dino) and mine did nearly 200k miles before I decided to get rid of the car. In my opinion it was very underrated, its only problem was a floppy shell which was easily cured with a weld in cage. Bigger brakes, anti-roll bar and stiffer springs transformed it and it lapped Mallory Park quickly enough to embarrass some seriously exotic machinery. Happy days.
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dapprman
391 posts
136 months
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You are missing a really essential item for it to be a true sleeper, one that may add weight, but also lend to that authentic feel ... .... a tartan rug over the rear seats ...
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liner33
3,668 posts
71 months
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GTMSpyder said: I modded an 827 Vitesse many years ago..... I tried to get the ECU remapped at Superchips and BBR but neither of them could decipher it! (this was sometime in the early 90's though). I had the cams reprofiled, heads flowed, tubular manifolds made and the hydraulic followers converted to solid and it pulled to the rev-limiter in top in no time at all.....it didn't tick over very well though (hence trying to get the ECU remapped). If you take out the inlet butterfly plate (switches from long to short inlet tracts for top end power) you get a better top end because it completely removes the restriction, but less low down torque. Did you see the video of Tony Pond averaging over 100mph round the IOM TT Circuit in a lightly modified (different exhaust & slicks) 827 Vitesse? Awesome, very quick.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnKyMgry9iQIts a great engine with a really nice exhaust note (like a Stratos/Ferrari Dino) and mine did nearly 200k miles before I decided to get rid of the car. In my opinion it was very underrated, its only problem was a floppy shell which was easily cured with a weld in cage. Bigger brakes, anti-roll bar and stiffer springs transformed it and it lapped Mallory Park quickly enough to embarrass some seriously exotic machinery. Happy days. GTM, who did the cams for you???
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bob1179
13,467 posts
78 months
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Awesome project! I can't wait to see this beasty at full chat in all it's 70's pooyness. 
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GTMSpyder
96 posts
95 months
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It was so long ago I can't remember the name of the company now - they were based in Nantwich and I remember they did other work on rotaries but I can't find any links to them now so maybe they have disappeared. The owner had put one in a Dolly Sprint he rallied (because it was lighter and more reliable than the Triumph engine).
Piper will reprofile a set of cams for you. I also had to change to solid cam followers and I can't remember how they did that.
Why don't you put some bike carbs on it and junk all the injection and inlet gubbins....?
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Captain_Slow
13 posts
71 months
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pugmanic said: As for wheels and brakes - what about the Princess? I know that Capri owners love the front calpiers from the Princess, and I would assume (don't actually know) they have slightly larger width wheels... That way it sticks with the BL theme at least and you could also use Granny spec BL hub caps  The wheels from a Leyland Maxi are, like those on the Prinny, 14". However, they are almost exactly the same to look at as the 13" Allegro steelies. And they share the Allegro/Princess/Rover 800 PCD.  If I were thinking about bigger wheels for an Allegro, these would be the ones I'd use.
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RichardR
2,745 posts
137 months
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Nice ice!  I thought you'd at least get a push-button Radiomobile MW/LW unit in there.  At least the speaker grill's already in place ready for the upgrade! 
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lordlee
2,995 posts
114 months
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RichardR said: Nice ice! I thought you'd at least get a push-button Radiomobile MW/LW unit in there. At least the speaker grill's already in place ready for the upgrade! Where has all the luxury gone from modern cars? This is more like it. I take it the climate control, stability management, ipod connection etc are all hidden? 
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Beefmeister
10,825 posts
99 months
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I remember seeing one of the US shows (Overhaulin', American Hotrod etc), can't remember which one, where they took a 1968 Camaro SS which had a blown engine.
They then totally re-engineered it so it had the engine, drivetrain, steering, suspension, electronics etc from a crashed Corvette Z06 (C6 shape). Outside the only differences were the wheels, which were 18" Torque Thrust-D wheels (very original looking) to house the bigger discs, and the bigger dia. exhaust.
Inside everything was totally standard looking, but with new dials and a Momo steering wheel. It even had the original 8-track in the dash. But in the glovebox was a headunit with ipod connection, and under a flip-up bit on the dash were the controls for the new climate system, traction control etc etc.
It looked standard, but was basically a redodied 2006 Corvette Z06.
Awesome.
I'll try and hunt it down to find some pics...
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355spyder
52 posts
67 months
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Brilliant!!!!!! What are the projected costs for this pocket rocket.
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JPG
34 posts
72 months
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Awesome project. I want to doa marive with a V8.
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Hendry
1,945 posts
151 months
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annodomini2 said: Tonto said: joz8968 said: angus54 said: ...How did you work out those figs as a matter of interest?... Well, for a start, given the kerb weight, power and driven wheels, I figured the 0-60 would be the high to mid 5s anyway... but... see the below link!... http://www.letstorquebhp.com/calculator.asp I think traction (or the lack of it) is going to be a big issue with the 0-60 times, more like 7 secs I would think. joz8968 said: 0 - 100 mph... c. 13.9 sec
Drag Strip Quarter Mile... c. 13.7 sec
Drag Strip Terminal Speed... c. 102 mph I personally think these are more unrealistic, remember this car is more aerodynamic travelling in reverse. Oh an to the guy writing the report, how much of the work are you doing yourself? Almost all cars are more aerodynamic in reverse. We can attribute crash regs, packaging requirements, aesthetics and lack of imagination in design for that. Johnny quoted 840kg from the Allegro manual, but this obviously wasn't with a V6 in it, springs instead of Hydragas and suitable chassis strengthening. Until we know the actual weight after the mods any performance stats are a stab in the dark. Nice work by the way but I am not sure I could be arsed.
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dickkark
746 posts
90 months
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It might have weighed 840 kgs with the original running gear but the v6 and tranny plus extra electrics etc will soon push the weight up.
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monkeysan
2 posts
69 months
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nice to see something different being done, with the Top Gear feature on sunday night seems that BL cars are the new jap!
oh and tell Colin @ MB he's a homo LOL
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front-w-d-monkey
5 posts
65 months
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Fair play fella.
If I were eyeing up some old BL tat and an 827 to play with I think a RWD Metro 6R4 replica would be on the cards.
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accident
317 posts
125 months
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a hot alegro does really hit all the buttons for me as far as street sleeper goes.
keeping it all british by putting a 2.7 honda engine isnt great.
keeping it fwd is the worst plan since the invasion of iraq.
however you do it i really hope it turns out well,a fast allegro?
awesome!
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Otter's pocket
386 posts
105 months
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Any updates on the Allagro ?
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car pervert
18 posts
64 months
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Hello fellas. Right, well the Retirement Rocket is making progress and funnily enough I am in the midst of writing a new installment for this 'ere website. Glad the car seems to have drummed up some interest. I tried to answer many of the questions in the last piece but will happily answer any other qs. I realise some people don't get the whole sleeper thing, but for me it's probably the most fun. Someone forwarded me this today. How mad is this for a bonafide sleeper: http://carscoop.blogspot.com/2008/01/1929-ford-mod...Watch this space for the third Retirement Rocket saga in the next coupla days... it's now all about the suspension and brakes.
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