RE: PH Heroes: Clio Trophy
Discussion
Birdthom said:
I run a 172 cup with a few tweaks and it's as fast as any car I've driven on B roads. Not at all sophisticated though and the only way to have fun is to drive at lunatic speeds. At normal speeds it all feels pretty dull really. It's not the best car in the world by any means but it's very good at what it was designed to do. Hot hatches are meant to be scary little baked bean tins which don't need lsds or massive power. Whether that is your thing or not is really up to you. Welshbeef seems to prefer more grown up cars and is missing the point IMO. Wrong about the power band too - it comes on song properly at 4.5k and bounces at 6.75k which gives you plenty to work with if you can manage a gearbox. It cuts in much earlier until really warmed up though (in fact it's a bit of a dog to drive when really cold).
All IMO etc etc
That was the main issue I had with my vanilla 182 to be honest, it was just a little too refined, and not that much fun unless you were really going for it and was the main reason I swapped to a teg, which in comparison is really raw and tinny All IMO etc etc
Doesnt change the fact they are hugely capable machines though, and much underrated. I used to upset the odd WRX in mine
pbirkett said:
That was the main issue I had with my vanilla 182 to be honest, it was just a little too refined, and not that much fun unless you were really going for it and was the main reason I swapped to a teg, which in comparison is really raw and tinny
Doesnt change the fact they are hugely capable machines though, and much underrated. I used to upset the odd WRX in mine
Lo, aye, me too, especially the ones driven by chavs or "rally" wannabees who thought an Impreza was the best car ever.Doesnt change the fact they are hugely capable machines though, and much underrated. I used to upset the odd WRX in mine
I've upset a few Scoobs with the DC2 as well, they really don't like fwd'ers following them do they. Strange.
My better half runs a 106Gti, now that thing feels great at any speed, really eager little chassis with a perky little engine, I love throwing it down the lanes round here
We fitted an induction kit so it growls a little too, adding to the fun! I think "hot hatches" have been taken to extremes now though, they're nearly all too big and heavy to be any fun at sensible speeds, instead relying on headline grabbing bhp figures or "sporty fog lamps" <rollseyes> I'd go as far as to say the Clios are the last of the old breed and even then they're a bit dull unless you're flat out (my DC2 is even more so imo).
My better half runs a 106Gti, now that thing feels great at any speed, really eager little chassis with a perky little engine, I love throwing it down the lanes round here
We fitted an induction kit so it growls a little too, adding to the fun! I think "hot hatches" have been taken to extremes now though, they're nearly all too big and heavy to be any fun at sensible speeds, instead relying on headline grabbing bhp figures or "sporty fog lamps" <rollseyes> I'd go as far as to say the Clios are the last of the old breed and even then they're a bit dull unless you're flat out (my DC2 is even more so imo).Seems a shame this thread has been hijacked with meaningless drivel from so many of the posts. If they want PH Heroes to be a success, they need to moderate the thread to ensure meaningful and constructive comments, good and bad.
As for reliability. I have sold countless Clio 182 Trophys from 200m to 35000m and have never had a complaint or a car come back. I might spend a bit more on pre-delivery prep than most, and employ competent technicians to work on my cars, but they are still a very reliable car. I couldn't say the same about Hondas with so-called bullet proof reliability,(drive shafts and pulley bearings come to mind).
What would be said about a Porsche 993 RS? - a likely hero IMO, "They are only left hand drive and windscreen steams up in the rain and they a'int got a door handle inside, Innit"
As for reliability. I have sold countless Clio 182 Trophys from 200m to 35000m and have never had a complaint or a car come back. I might spend a bit more on pre-delivery prep than most, and employ competent technicians to work on my cars, but they are still a very reliable car. I couldn't say the same about Hondas with so-called bullet proof reliability,(drive shafts and pulley bearings come to mind).
What would be said about a Porsche 993 RS? - a likely hero IMO, "They are only left hand drive and windscreen steams up in the rain and they a'int got a door handle inside, Innit"
Good one! Great to see the Trophy as a 'hero'. Im not gonna come here and says there are no other good hatches, there are but im just gonna defend it from some things that have been said!
a couple of things to bare in mind from what i have read in the thread....everyone has their own opinion so I don't expect everyone to love it.
But:
ECOTY 2006...1st place in the real world, 3rd place in The surreal world (but its earlier score did actually top the F430's) and had one of the highest scores ever.
Harry Metcalfe from EVO mag has a Zonda so he has alot of money...whats his daily car?? Evo? Impreza? BM? Jag? No, a Trophy.
Hatches with loads of power....Golf R32, Astra VXR, Focus ST....they are no faster in a straight line than a trophy as they are too heavy causing drastic effects on braking and cornering. MAybe they are better all round cars as they have more luxury, but thats not what the hot hatch market is about so its all rather pointless as it makes them better cars, but not better in terms of 'hot hatchness'.
Interior...yes they are plain, but there is a difference between plain and necessary. Hot Hatches are purely about driving pleasure, not heated seats, and all this luxury. The french don't make luxury interiors as this diverts driving pleasure...which is why the French have led the Hot Hatch market for years...106 Rallye, 205 GTI, Clio Williams, Clio Sports...
Cornering - they are incredible through corners....Trophy vs M6 article in Evo mag, anyone read it? 500bhp M6 had a trophy all over the back of it through a and b roads!
Track....fantastic yet again. Heaps of fun. My brother has had 2 evo's and said in terms of driving pleasure they are nothing on a clio sport.
And cost of running.....16 inch wheels, not 18's and 19's like modern hatches, they return double the fuel economy of Astra VXR's etc.
just a couple of things i think which make it a hero in a fair few peoples eyes!
a couple of things to bare in mind from what i have read in the thread....everyone has their own opinion so I don't expect everyone to love it.
But:
ECOTY 2006...1st place in the real world, 3rd place in The surreal world (but its earlier score did actually top the F430's) and had one of the highest scores ever.
Harry Metcalfe from EVO mag has a Zonda so he has alot of money...whats his daily car?? Evo? Impreza? BM? Jag? No, a Trophy.
Hatches with loads of power....Golf R32, Astra VXR, Focus ST....they are no faster in a straight line than a trophy as they are too heavy causing drastic effects on braking and cornering. MAybe they are better all round cars as they have more luxury, but thats not what the hot hatch market is about so its all rather pointless as it makes them better cars, but not better in terms of 'hot hatchness'.
Interior...yes they are plain, but there is a difference between plain and necessary. Hot Hatches are purely about driving pleasure, not heated seats, and all this luxury. The french don't make luxury interiors as this diverts driving pleasure...which is why the French have led the Hot Hatch market for years...106 Rallye, 205 GTI, Clio Williams, Clio Sports...
Cornering - they are incredible through corners....Trophy vs M6 article in Evo mag, anyone read it? 500bhp M6 had a trophy all over the back of it through a and b roads!
Track....fantastic yet again. Heaps of fun. My brother has had 2 evo's and said in terms of driving pleasure they are nothing on a clio sport.
And cost of running.....16 inch wheels, not 18's and 19's like modern hatches, they return double the fuel economy of Astra VXR's etc.
just a couple of things i think which make it a hero in a fair few peoples eyes!
jezb said:
Unfortunately i've never had the pleasure of driving a clio, but can vouch for the 306 rallye, love mine to bits.
Alfa 147 GTA has no lsd but can be retrofitted from the newer Q2 models.
Fiat Coupe Turbo has Visco Drive.
ANd in 4 years ownership that = 1 wheel spin... incredible.Alfa 147 GTA has no lsd but can be retrofitted from the newer Q2 models.
Fiat Coupe Turbo has Visco Drive.
I've just changed my Trophy after 2 years of ownership and 40,000 miles. It was a great car (HT05DYV if anyone comes accross it for sale, it was a good 'un)and as an all round performance/fun/cost of running package they're probably unbeatable. Quick in a straight line, huge grip yet return 30+ to the gal as a daily driver. Cheap to maintain as well....well, assuming you stay away from Renault dealers!
The things that made me change it were primarily the driving position; could never get comfortable in it and the seat/wheel relationship was crap. I also found it had too much grip to be fun on the public road...you had to drive like a loon to get it moving around on dry roads.....though saying that I had some great drives over the French/Italian/Swiss Alps. If you own one, make it a priority to get over there!
Was reliable as well, never broke down. Had a couple of nigly faults that were repaired under warrenty but nothing serious.
The things that made me change it were primarily the driving position; could never get comfortable in it and the seat/wheel relationship was crap. I also found it had too much grip to be fun on the public road...you had to drive like a loon to get it moving around on dry roads.....though saying that I had some great drives over the French/Italian/Swiss Alps. If you own one, make it a priority to get over there!
Was reliable as well, never broke down. Had a couple of nigly faults that were repaired under warrenty but nothing serious.
chrisr29 said:
I've just changed my Trophy after 2 years of ownership and 40,000 miles. It was a great car (HT05DYV if anyone comes accross it for sale, it was a good 'un)and as an all round performance/fun/cost of running package they're probably unbeatable. Quick in a straight line, huge grip yet return 30+ to the gal as a daily driver. Cheap to maintain as well....well, assuming you stay away from Renault dealers!
The things that made me change it were primarily the driving position; could never get comfortable in it and the seat/wheel relationship was crap. I also found it had too much grip to be fun on the public road...you had to drive like a loon to get it moving around on dry roads.....though saying that I had some great drives over the French/Italian/Swiss Alps. If you own one, make it a priority to get over there!
Was reliable as well, never broke down. Had a couple of nigly faults that were repaired under warrenty but nothing serious.
Dont the cambelts have to be changed stupidily early on these cars 30-35k?? and its not cheap to do either.The things that made me change it were primarily the driving position; could never get comfortable in it and the seat/wheel relationship was crap. I also found it had too much grip to be fun on the public road...you had to drive like a loon to get it moving around on dry roads.....though saying that I had some great drives over the French/Italian/Swiss Alps. If you own one, make it a priority to get over there!
Was reliable as well, never broke down. Had a couple of nigly faults that were repaired under warrenty but nothing serious.
Remember the Mazda RX8 may drink oil but it has no cambelt to change therefore you could assume that the oil it uses over 60-80k odd miles will be FAR less than the cost of a cambelt change & may help a little on its fuel thirst!!!!
Welshbeef said:
chrisr29 said:
I've just changed my Trophy after 2 years of ownership and 40,000 miles. It was a great car (HT05DYV if anyone comes accross it for sale, it was a good 'un)and as an all round performance/fun/cost of running package they're probably unbeatable. Quick in a straight line, huge grip yet return 30+ to the gal as a daily driver. Cheap to maintain as well....well, assuming you stay away from Renault dealers!
The things that made me change it were primarily the driving position; could never get comfortable in it and the seat/wheel relationship was crap. I also found it had too much grip to be fun on the public road...you had to drive like a loon to get it moving around on dry roads.....though saying that I had some great drives over the French/Italian/Swiss Alps. If you own one, make it a priority to get over there!
Was reliable as well, never broke down. Had a couple of nigly faults that were repaired under warrenty but nothing serious.
Dont the cambelts have to be changed stupidily early on these cars 30-35k?? and its not cheap to do either.The things that made me change it were primarily the driving position; could never get comfortable in it and the seat/wheel relationship was crap. I also found it had too much grip to be fun on the public road...you had to drive like a loon to get it moving around on dry roads.....though saying that I had some great drives over the French/Italian/Swiss Alps. If you own one, make it a priority to get over there!
Was reliable as well, never broke down. Had a couple of nigly faults that were repaired under warrenty but nothing serious.
Remember the Mazda RX8 may drink oil but it has no cambelt to change therefore you could assume that the oil it uses over 60-80k odd miles will be FAR less than the cost of a cambelt change & may help a little on its fuel thirst!!!!
Saying that the RX8 sounds brilliant when at full song. Hang on thought we were talking hot hatches here?
CooperS said:
Welshbeef said:
chrisr29 said:
I've just changed my Trophy after 2 years of ownership and 40,000 miles. It was a great car (HT05DYV if anyone comes accross it for sale, it was a good 'un)and as an all round performance/fun/cost of running package they're probably unbeatable. Quick in a straight line, huge grip yet return 30+ to the gal as a daily driver. Cheap to maintain as well....well, assuming you stay away from Renault dealers!
The things that made me change it were primarily the driving position; could never get comfortable in it and the seat/wheel relationship was crap. I also found it had too much grip to be fun on the public road...you had to drive like a loon to get it moving around on dry roads.....though saying that I had some great drives over the French/Italian/Swiss Alps. If you own one, make it a priority to get over there!
Was reliable as well, never broke down. Had a couple of nigly faults that were repaired under warrenty but nothing serious.
Dont the cambelts have to be changed stupidily early on these cars 30-35k?? and its not cheap to do either.The things that made me change it were primarily the driving position; could never get comfortable in it and the seat/wheel relationship was crap. I also found it had too much grip to be fun on the public road...you had to drive like a loon to get it moving around on dry roads.....though saying that I had some great drives over the French/Italian/Swiss Alps. If you own one, make it a priority to get over there!
Was reliable as well, never broke down. Had a couple of nigly faults that were repaired under warrenty but nothing serious.
Remember the Mazda RX8 may drink oil but it has no cambelt to change therefore you could assume that the oil it uses over 60-80k odd miles will be FAR less than the cost of a cambelt change & may help a little on its fuel thirst!!!!
Saying that the RX8 sounds brilliant when at full song. Hang on thought we were talking hot hatches here?
So between £400-660 a year cheaper to run on fuel, but the clio is pricier on Ins due to the boy racer chav claims they have (in the main) so its cheaper on the ins also it has a huge boot looks amazing a proper 4 adult car. Also RWD & 10,000rpm rev limit.
Remember the wankel engine is the engineers engine far fewer parts but it is so relatively underdeveloped its weaker on economy than a 4 stroke. The interesting thing is that the car it replaced the RX7 had a combined in the mid teens so a huge step forward in economy, the new engine is coming soon and that will be much more economical also remember that 231bhp was achieved from non turbo 1.3ltrs..... and just look back at the 4 rotor GT1 Le mans cars which were restricted to 700bhp.... nice
artdealer said:
As for reliability. I have sold countless Clio 182 Trophys from 200m to 35000m and have never had a complaint or a car come back. I might spend a bit more on pre-delivery prep than most, and employ competent technicians to work on my cars, but they are still a very reliable car. I couldn't say the same about Hondas with so-called bullet proof reliability,(drive shafts and pulley bearings come to mind).
What would be said about a Porsche 993 RS? - a likely hero IMO, "They are only left hand drive and windscreen steams up in the rain and they a'int got a door handle inside, Innit"
35k is hardly high mileage is it, I should flippin' hope they haven't given any issues in your experience! Unfortunately, the Clio forums have a slightly less favourable view of 182 Clios, and from actual ownership experience. As for Honda jibe, I've not had one Honda need a driveshaft, nor a pulley bearing, and the JD Power survey would seem to suggest Honda have a better reputation for reliability than Renault too no?What would be said about a Porsche 993 RS? - a likely hero IMO, "They are only left hand drive and windscreen steams up in the rain and they a'int got a door handle inside, Innit"
Whats a 993 RS look like then, are they as good as a 964RS?
vino187 said:
french cars are whoop! you may be able to sling a lightweight cardboard car around a corner which is lots of fun, (and can be catastrophic in the wrong place with police, pedestrians and granny drivers round every turn) but in the real world of motorways and long winding roads a clio will get trounced by anything with a bit of power. it may have a good 0-60 pace when thrashed but thats where it ends and more power wins when the wind resistance kicks in . torque steer? u only get that from a standing start. an alfa gta, focus rs or vxr or anything like that will just whip it in everyday use. oh and u can chuck all cars round bends fast which is fun. but if ur too optomistic or shite u`ll crash whatever car ur in. + kids drive clios.
Don't be a retard more than you can help it.Go drive some cars and come back with an opinion that isn't, well, retarded.
Yugguy said:
vino187 said:
french cars are whoop! you may be able to sling a lightweight cardboard car around a corner which is lots of fun, (and can be catastrophic in the wrong place with police, pedestrians and granny drivers round every turn) but in the real world of motorways and long winding roads a clio will get trounced by anything with a bit of power. it may have a good 0-60 pace when thrashed but thats where it ends and more power wins when the wind resistance kicks in . torque steer? u only get that from a standing start. an alfa gta, focus rs or vxr or anything like that will just whip it in everyday use. oh and u can chuck all cars round bends fast which is fun. but if ur too optomistic or shite u`ll crash whatever car ur in. + kids drive clios.
Don't be a retard more than you can help it.Go drive some cars and come back with an opinion that isn't, well, retarded.
Rest is tosh.
mccabe1983 said:
I love the Trophy. I am 24, so it is not cheap to me. I m only a tracher so not rich!!
I ve drove lots of other cars and for me the Trophy is awesome for cost/power ratio.
The Trophy also stands out against any charv chariot.
Let me guess you got the "nice" car but are still renting... I ve drove lots of other cars and for me the Trophy is awesome for cost/power ratio.
The Trophy also stands out against any charv chariot.
If thats the case then thats £10k deposit for a house in a depreciating asset, when you could have spent £1-3k and got a decent fast car.
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