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Jimbeaux
25,725 posts
100 months
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HeavyRightFoot said: I too wish that one of the big euro marques (or even one of the premium Japanese marques) would show an interest in Jaguar.
But no such luck as yet!
It's weird how almost everyone agrees that Jag are putting out some great cars at present but so few people are willing to put their money where there mouth is and buy them. That goes for both consumers and investors.
I just hope it works out OK for Jaguar, they deserve to be succesful!
But Ford put cash into Jag, lots of it too. That investment brought them from last in quality to around the top three now. I think it was not only cash but some "parenting" Jag needed to get ther quality righted. Sales in the US were record breaking from 2000 to 2004 and chart-topping in the UK in 2004. What has happened since is anybody's guess. Quality is there....maybe the designs tired, etc. I do not know why, seeing that older designs than the S-Type on other cars continue to flourish. Widely watched TV shows with that windbag Clarkson putting Jag down at every turn cannot be good for it.....people actually may believe what he says about a car, forgetting that this guy is about entertainment, not research. BTW, if he has been kinder to Jag than I recall, please set me straight. 
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gary11
3,437 posts
70 months
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I think its just hard for any luxury car marque to make money,come to that its hard to make money in the uk at present,bring fuel prices into the equation I wouldnt like to be owning a co such as Jag at the moment,I get a bit sweaty with 6-7 Jags in stock at the minute!.....perhaps the tree huggers are to blame? who knows,shame though the product now and in the pipeline are superb.Lets hope this reccesion we ARE in doesnt claim Jaguar as a victim.
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Podie
38,395 posts
144 months
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HeavyRightFoot said: My 'angle' on this is pretty simple; Sorry, it was a somewhat crude turn of phrase... but given you have only just joined the site (or only just started posting) I was curious.
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HeavyRightFoot
239 posts
66 months
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It's ok bout the 'angle' thing!
Sorry if I was a little defensive. I just kinda had a bee in my bonnet.
The media REALLY wind me up sometimes and I seem to go into 'Rant Mode'!
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MarkoTVR
1,053 posts
103 months
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If TATA do gain control of JLR, let's see what they do with it before condemning them. If they do destroy the marque then it'll be a sad day, but given the interest in the new models they'd be fools to do so. The references to the City Rover aren't best placed IMO, as the City Rover was supposed to be cheap.
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HeavyRightFoot
239 posts
66 months
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MarkoTVR said: If TATA do gain control of JLR, let's see what they do with it before condemning them. If they do destroy the marque then it'll be a sad day, but given the interest in the new models they'd be fools to do so. The references to the City Rover aren't best placed IMO, as the City Rover was supposed to be cheap.
Good point, well made! When Ford took over Jaguar it didn't replace the existing models with cheap American made Jagu-Fords. (In fact, in terms of quality and relibility they did quite the opposite, the electrical systems in particular on pre-ford Jags are quite frankly awful!) I see absolutely no reason why TATA would want to produce cheap Jag clones either. It's a shame that Ford are in such a poor financial situation that they have to sell the family Jewels. We just have to hope that a more cash rich company like TATA can do a better job of giving Jaguar the support and investment it deserves.
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The Rookie
5 posts
66 months
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Marquis_Rex said: The Rookie said: munk said: TATA produce some fantastic cars for the market in India Clearly never driven/been driven in one then? Simon Hey Simon, how goes it? Back in the UK over Christmas? Hi Rupe, not going too bad ta, yourself? Christmas is sacrosanct as far as I'm concerned, besides eating Roast Turkey in even a wintry +20C isn't my idea of Christmas! Simon
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gary11
3,437 posts
70 months
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HeavyRightFoot said: MarkoTVR said: If TATA do gain control of JLR, let's see what they do with it before condemning them. If they do destroy the marque then it'll be a sad day, but given the interest in the new models they'd be fools to do so. The references to the City Rover aren't best placed IMO, as the City Rover was supposed to be cheap.
Good point, well made! When Ford took over Jaguar it didn't replace the existing models with cheap American made Jagu-Fords. (In fact, in terms of quality and relibility they did quite the opposite, the electrical systems in particular on pre-ford Jags are quite frankly awful!) I see absolutely no reason why TATA would want to produce cheap Jag clones either. It's a shame that Ford are in such a poor financial situation that they have to sell the family Jewels. We just have to hope that a more cash rich company like TATA can do a better job of giving Jaguar the support and investment it deserves. True but they still cocked up the engines though! imo
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HeavyRightFoot
239 posts
66 months
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gary11 said: HeavyRightFoot said: MarkoTVR said: True but they still cocked up the engines though! imo Gary. How can you say that? Look at the 4.2 V8 Supercharged, as used in the R range, it's widely regarded as a great engine, and rightly so, it's superb. Anyone who's driven an S-Type, XK or XJ will tell you that the power delivery from this unit (and it's sound) are out of this world! Or what about the 2.7V6 Twin Turbo Diesel, which has been hailed as possibly the best diesel engine in production today, by most of the motoring press? I would be interested to hear which of the current range of engines you thin that they've 'cocked up' on.
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gary11
3,437 posts
70 months
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HeavyRightFoot said: gary11 said: HeavyRightFoot said: MarkoTVR said: True but they still cocked up the engines though! imo Gary. How can you say that? Look at the 4.2 V8 Supercharged, as used in the R range, it's widely regarded as a great engine, and rightly so, it's superb. Anyone who's driven an S-Type, XK or XJ will tell you that the power delivery from this unit (and it's sound) are out of this world! Or what about the 2.7V6 Twin Turbo Diesel, which has been hailed as possibly the best diesel engine in production today, by most of the motoring press? I would be interested to hear which of the current range of engines you thin that they've 'cocked up' on. I take on board the revised improved V8 which is ok(i hope) now but the early V8 (308) was very very poor,I have replaced many,Jaguar recognised the flaw and were replacing them hand over fist on warranty,(the faults were bad design of the nikasil bores resulting in loss of compression and over fueling also timing chains and tensioners,vvt units £400 per side) the engines are unrepairable,I did not refer to the diesel that is a ford engine,the V6 also is a weak engine as it was in the ford probe/mazda MX6 and suffers with bottom end problems as it did when it was a 2.5. The faults with the X308 engine had a terrible affect on values of v8 UP TO 2000/2001,I was not refering to the current range of engines but the ones ford installed in the X308 changing the traditional 6cyl,The enthusiast buyers are all to aware of the problem hence my harsh comment on the V8 as opposed to the fantastic AJ16 engine which is bullet proof,I base my comments on 15yrs of dealing in Jaguar,I cannot think in modern times of an engine with as many major issues.Hence my comments on another similar thead about non manufacturers buying into the motor indusry when even mass manufacturers still have the potenntial to design a bad engine,the supercharged unit has the same problems we are currently replacing one as we speak.But imo the XJ/XKR/S TYPE R are a fantastic car! hence why an XK8 (a fantastic car)is worth no more than a nice late xjs!,If you compare a db7 with an xjs you will see basically its the same car look what they are worth!,in fact ford did appaling things with the aston electrics/door locks ect non disguised fiesta/granada items,the XK8 is far superior to drive and looks not quite but nearly as good imo cheers Gary
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Morningside
16,785 posts
98 months
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