RE: PH Heroes: Subaru Impreza
Discussion
Do you know what? These cars are unbelieveable. But you're reading this thread into its second page so you already know that. Far too many people write these cars off as 'low end' or disposable. Who cares. This is part of the appeal to me.
Having had a few of these now The value is incredible. I've owned TVRs (Griff 500) and BMws (M5 e39) and nothing touches a well sorted Impreza. This seems like an amazing claim but it's just not. No, it really isn't. If you've got a Griff of a Beemer and you're now thinking 'stupid chav boy' then think again or just hit "what's new" and move along. Forget your brand allegiance and badge beliefs. Go drive one of these and hold your cheeks in place as the G forces build up around the corner and you'll see what I mean. You might start to believe, but be prepared to discard your preconceieved ideas at the ignition key.
I bought my first Subaru after the Griff. the TVR seduced me with its noise and dragster performance but after spinning too many times on a track day I soon realised that it needed a little chassis fettling to get it to richeousness. Sadly a front suspension failure coupled with radiator failure, engine diasaster etc meant I lost total faith and a £16k total ownership bill in less than a year confirmed its doom.
Enter stage left a bog standard £8k Subaru turbo 2000. What composure, what reliability. Wow.
So much faith did I invest that I turned the car onto its roof, slid through 2 fences and came to rest in a national trust field. Great stuff.
Not deterred I went onto an Impreza P1 and now a 22b. There's no way I'd go back. But don't worry, any Porsche, BMW and TVR owners stopped reading this thread a little while ago (apologies DeR) so we can keep this little secret to ourselves.
The OP has a couple of facts wrong. The original P1 cost over 30K and the RB320 sold well over the list price for a while. The UK 22b also traded for £40k or so for a little while, although the premise that it's a working class hero still holds true. If your budget is limited go see Iain Litchfield for a super car crushing bargain that will absolutely embarass cars 4 times the price.
Personally I've had a good year so I've bought a 22b and am investing quiet some money sorting it out both in handling and power. My personal view (having driven Imprezas over 400bhp) is that a fully sorted 350 bhp or so is optimum. Sitting alongside a sorted chassis with roll bars and differentials all under control means you have a road car that is utterly involving and untouchable.
The Evo/Impreza battle will rage for eternity. Thank god for that. Both cars are wonderful and quite different and I'd have either ahead of a eurobox anyday. 20 mpg? So what? You'll need to invest significant cash to get anything near this performance, so if you're worrying about MPG then look elsewhere.
Impreza, I love you, I salute you. And I can't wait until the next VMax day, nevermind tomorrow when I have to drive my wife to the airport at 7.00 AM. Forget the Vmax, bring on the corners, the drive there and the drive back. Yes TVR owners, that's the drive back, not the AA van
I look forward to hearing from other Subaru owners who've got this far. Badge snobs are already onto their 7th BMW thread of the night. (Sorry again DeR, I Can't help it)
Cheers
Having had a few of these now The value is incredible. I've owned TVRs (Griff 500) and BMws (M5 e39) and nothing touches a well sorted Impreza. This seems like an amazing claim but it's just not. No, it really isn't. If you've got a Griff of a Beemer and you're now thinking 'stupid chav boy' then think again or just hit "what's new" and move along. Forget your brand allegiance and badge beliefs. Go drive one of these and hold your cheeks in place as the G forces build up around the corner and you'll see what I mean. You might start to believe, but be prepared to discard your preconceieved ideas at the ignition key.
I bought my first Subaru after the Griff. the TVR seduced me with its noise and dragster performance but after spinning too many times on a track day I soon realised that it needed a little chassis fettling to get it to richeousness. Sadly a front suspension failure coupled with radiator failure, engine diasaster etc meant I lost total faith and a £16k total ownership bill in less than a year confirmed its doom.
Enter stage left a bog standard £8k Subaru turbo 2000. What composure, what reliability. Wow.
So much faith did I invest that I turned the car onto its roof, slid through 2 fences and came to rest in a national trust field. Great stuff.
Not deterred I went onto an Impreza P1 and now a 22b. There's no way I'd go back. But don't worry, any Porsche, BMW and TVR owners stopped reading this thread a little while ago (apologies DeR) so we can keep this little secret to ourselves.
The OP has a couple of facts wrong. The original P1 cost over 30K and the RB320 sold well over the list price for a while. The UK 22b also traded for £40k or so for a little while, although the premise that it's a working class hero still holds true. If your budget is limited go see Iain Litchfield for a super car crushing bargain that will absolutely embarass cars 4 times the price.
Personally I've had a good year so I've bought a 22b and am investing quiet some money sorting it out both in handling and power. My personal view (having driven Imprezas over 400bhp) is that a fully sorted 350 bhp or so is optimum. Sitting alongside a sorted chassis with roll bars and differentials all under control means you have a road car that is utterly involving and untouchable.
The Evo/Impreza battle will rage for eternity. Thank god for that. Both cars are wonderful and quite different and I'd have either ahead of a eurobox anyday. 20 mpg? So what? You'll need to invest significant cash to get anything near this performance, so if you're worrying about MPG then look elsewhere.
Impreza, I love you, I salute you. And I can't wait until the next VMax day, nevermind tomorrow when I have to drive my wife to the airport at 7.00 AM. Forget the Vmax, bring on the corners, the drive there and the drive back. Yes TVR owners, that's the drive back, not the AA van
I look forward to hearing from other Subaru owners who've got this far. Badge snobs are already onto their 7th BMW thread of the night. (Sorry again DeR, I Can't help it)Cheers
Edited by Smifffy on Sunday 2nd December 00:25
I've decided to get another. I had an RB5 and ran it for nearly 4 years, before buying a clio cup with mods taking it upto circa 200bhp. It's a cracking car, but I know I'm going to end up in another impreza. 6year old Boxsters and M3s are tempting, but when you can buy a 04 WRX with 20k,leather and PPP and subaru warranty, common sense has to prevail. Who cares about the image, its the driving experience for true petrolheads that counts.
Personally, I think these cars are great at the price point but I wasn't that impressed by mine and sold it after two years. They are very heavy, reliability was suspect, handling was lethargic and not very involving at all. The interior is shocking. The only plus point was the kick in the back from the straight line acceleration and the huge grip when the weather turned cold and wet.
Few load carriers are as quick in real life from A-B but, if you want a proper sports car, it has to have two seats, a lot less weight and miles more involvement in my book.
Few load carriers are as quick in real life from A-B but, if you want a proper sports car, it has to have two seats, a lot less weight and miles more involvement in my book.
Gorvid said:
Whats the best Impreza for £5000 ?
Whats the best Impreza for £10000 ?
I'm often tempted by the estate - but the load space is small isn't it.
Funny you should ask that....Whats the best Impreza for £10000 ?
I'm often tempted by the estate - but the load space is small isn't it.
I'm stuck between buying a 1999-2001 Impreza Classic (£4-6k) or one of the 2003-2004 Blob eyes (£8-11k). I test drove a nice 03 wagon today with 43k on the clock (£9k) and my mate has a W plate classic saloon which now has a PPP and I really love driving....
What amazes me everytime I drive an Impreza is how confidence inspiring they are, and each model seems to have its pros and cons.
Problem is which way to go? Classic or Blob Eye, Saloon or Wagon??
robcollingridge said:
Personally, I think these cars are great at the price point but I wasn't that impressed by mine and sold it after two years. They are very heavy, reliability was suspect, handling was lethargic and not very involving at all. The interior is shocking. The only plus point was the kick in the back from the straight line acceleration and the huge grip when the weather turned cold and wet.
Few load carriers are as quick in real life from A-B but, if you want a proper sports car, it has to have two seats, a lot less weight and miles more involvement in my book.
Sounds like you had one of the later chassis cars.Few load carriers are as quick in real life from A-B but, if you want a proper sports car, it has to have two seats, a lot less weight and miles more involvement in my book.
My Scoob has 2 doors, weighs 1270 kgs and handling is certainly not lethargic!
It's funny but people often throw the involvement brick at scoobs and I can't help wondering if this is a bit of bandwagon (excuse the pun) jumping.
Of all the cars I've owned (TVR, BMW etc) the Subaru tells me the most about what's going on. I think the steering feel is sensational and you can feel it move around through your bum.
I've just never got this detached view at all?
Smifffy said:
It's funny but people often throw the involvement brick at scoobs and I can't help wondering if this is a bit of bandwagon (excuse the pun) jumping.
Of all the cars I've owned (TVR, BMW etc) the Subaru tells me the most about what's going on. I think the steering feel is sensational and you can feel it move around through your bum.
I've just never got this detached view at all?
You need to get out out there and drive a few more cars then. It's always going to be a relative thing.Of all the cars I've owned (TVR, BMW etc) the Subaru tells me the most about what's going on. I think the steering feel is sensational and you can feel it move around through your bum.
I've just never got this detached view at all?
The standard fitment steering wheel on my Impreza was off a bus. The Impreza is pretty agricultural and AWD is going to mask huge amounts of steering feedback. I bought one because it suited my needs at the time and it was raved about. Having come from a Lotus Elise, I was hugely disappointed.
Like I said, it has its strengths but driver involvement was never really one of them. You needed a silly speed on the speedo before it even becomes fun.
robcollingridge said:
Smifffy said:
It's funny but people often throw the involvement brick at scoobs and I can't help wondering if this is a bit of bandwagon (excuse the pun) jumping.
Of all the cars I've owned (TVR, BMW etc) the Subaru tells me the most about what's going on. I think the steering feel is sensational and you can feel it move around through your bum.
I've just never got this detached view at all?
You need to get out out there and drive a few more cars then. It's always going to be a relative thing.Of all the cars I've owned (TVR, BMW etc) the Subaru tells me the most about what's going on. I think the steering feel is sensational and you can feel it move around through your bum.
I've just never got this detached view at all?
The standard fitment steering wheel on my Impreza was off a bus. The Impreza is pretty agricultural and AWD is going to mask huge amounts of steering feedback. I bought one because it suited my needs at the time and it was raved about. Having come from a Lotus Elise, I was hugely disappointed.
Like I said, it has its strengths but driver involvement was never really one of them. You needed a silly speed on the speedo before it even becomes fun.
As you say everything is relative - You can from an Elise (900kgs?) into a GD chassis Impreza that weighs 1400kgs. Of course you're going to be diappointed!
What has AWD got to do with masking driver feedback? Not a great deal. It gives different messages to RWD - you just need to listen to them. Spend a little time with Don Palmer.
This all said I have driven a P1 and now a 22b as part of the fleet for the last 6-7 years or so. They're very much more hardcore than the standard Impreza so maybe this is where you're coming from. My original turbo 2000 wasn't a patch on either of these, but always left a grin on my face and I can't remember having any problem with feel or involvement. The problem with that car was I didn't keep the shiny side facing upwards. Ah.
Volte said:
Gorvid said:
Whats the best Impreza for £5000 ?
Whats the best Impreza for £10000 ?
I'm often tempted by the estate - but the load space is small isn't it.
Funny you should ask that....Whats the best Impreza for £10000 ?
I'm often tempted by the estate - but the load space is small isn't it.
I'm stuck between buying a 1999-2001 Impreza Classic (£4-6k) or one of the 2003-2004 Blob eyes (£8-11k). I test drove a nice 03 wagon today with 43k on the clock (£9k) and my mate has a W plate classic saloon which now has a PPP and I really love driving....
What amazes me everytime I drive an Impreza is how confidence inspiring they are, and each model seems to have its pros and cons.
Problem is which way to go? Classic or Blob Eye, Saloon or Wagon??
10K, Classic STi Type-R.
I am so glad that people are looking past the tied cliché owner image and focusing on the car itself.
The Impreza reminds me of the Cosworth/XR3i of the past. There will be many abused and used cars on the market but after a period of time the will be admired for the great little car that it is.
I also suspect that there are so many ones on the market now as I believe a lot were insured via their parents.
IF I could find a buyer for my Scenic I would buy one tomorrow!
The Impreza reminds me of the Cosworth/XR3i of the past. There will be many abused and used cars on the market but after a period of time the will be admired for the great little car that it is.
I also suspect that there are so many ones on the market now as I believe a lot were insured via their parents.
IF I could find a buyer for my Scenic I would buy one tomorrow!
Edited by Morningside on Monday 3rd December 09:40
Smifffy said:
Do you know what? These cars are unbelieveable. But you're reading this thread into its second page so you already know that. Far too many people write these cars off as 'low end' or disposable. Who cares. This is part of the appeal to me.
Having had a few of these now The value is incredible. I've owned TVRs (Griff 500) and BMws (M5 e39) and nothing touches a well sorted Impreza. This seems like an amazing claim but it's just not. No, it really isn't. If you've got a Griff of a Beemer and you're now thinking 'stupid chav boy' then think again or just hit "what's new" and move along. Forget your brand allegiance and badge beliefs. Go drive one of these and hold your cheeks in place as the G forces build up around the corner and you'll see what I mean. You might start to believe, but be prepared to discard your preconceieved ideas at the ignition key.
I bought my first Subaru after the Griff. the TVR seduced me with its noise and dragster performance but after spinning too many times on a track day I soon realised that it needed a little chassis fettling to get it to richeousness. Sadly a front suspension failure coupled with radiator failure, engine diasaster etc meant I lost total faith and a £16k total ownership bill in less than a year confirmed its doom.
Enter stage left a bog standard £8k Subaru turbo 2000. What composure, what reliability. Wow.
So much faith did I invest that I turned the car onto its roof, slid through 2 fences and came to rest in a national trust field. Great stuff.
Not deterred I went onto an Impreza P1 and now a 22b. There's no way I'd go back. But don't worry, any Porsche, BMW and TVR owners stopped reading this thread a little while ago (apologies DeR) so we can keep this little secret to ourselves.
The OP has a couple of facts wrong. The original P1 cost over 30K and the RB320 sold well over the list price for a while. The UK 22b also traded for £40k or so for a little while, although the premise that it's a working class hero still holds true. If your budget is limited go see Iain Litchfield for a super car crushing bargain that will absolutely embarass cars 4 times the price.
Personally I've had a good year so I've bought a 22b and am investing quiet some money sorting it out both in handling and power. My personal view (having driven Imprezas over 400bhp) is that a fully sorted 350 bhp or so is optimum. Sitting alongside a sorted chassis with roll bars and differentials all under control means you have a road car that is utterly involving and untouchable.
The Evo/Impreza battle will rage for eternity. Thank god for that. Both cars are wonderful and quite different and I'd have either ahead of a eurobox anyday. 20 mpg? So what? You'll need to invest significant cash to get anything near this performance, so if you're worrying about MPG then look elsewhere.
Impreza, I love you, I salute you. And I can't wait until the next VMax day, nevermind tomorrow when I have to drive my wife to the airport at 7.00 AM. Forget the Vmax, bring on the corners, the drive there and the drive back. Yes TVR owners, that's the drive back, not the AA van I look forward to hearing from other Subaru owners who've got this far. Badge snobs are already onto their 7th BMW thread of the night. (Sorry again DeR, I Can't help it)
Cheers
Great post. It's encouraging to read this sort of thing... someone who actually enjoys the thrill of driving and doesn't bow down to the old fart badge appreciation society. Having had a few of these now The value is incredible. I've owned TVRs (Griff 500) and BMws (M5 e39) and nothing touches a well sorted Impreza. This seems like an amazing claim but it's just not. No, it really isn't. If you've got a Griff of a Beemer and you're now thinking 'stupid chav boy' then think again or just hit "what's new" and move along. Forget your brand allegiance and badge beliefs. Go drive one of these and hold your cheeks in place as the G forces build up around the corner and you'll see what I mean. You might start to believe, but be prepared to discard your preconceieved ideas at the ignition key.
I bought my first Subaru after the Griff. the TVR seduced me with its noise and dragster performance but after spinning too many times on a track day I soon realised that it needed a little chassis fettling to get it to richeousness. Sadly a front suspension failure coupled with radiator failure, engine diasaster etc meant I lost total faith and a £16k total ownership bill in less than a year confirmed its doom.
Enter stage left a bog standard £8k Subaru turbo 2000. What composure, what reliability. Wow.
So much faith did I invest that I turned the car onto its roof, slid through 2 fences and came to rest in a national trust field. Great stuff.
Not deterred I went onto an Impreza P1 and now a 22b. There's no way I'd go back. But don't worry, any Porsche, BMW and TVR owners stopped reading this thread a little while ago (apologies DeR) so we can keep this little secret to ourselves.
The OP has a couple of facts wrong. The original P1 cost over 30K and the RB320 sold well over the list price for a while. The UK 22b also traded for £40k or so for a little while, although the premise that it's a working class hero still holds true. If your budget is limited go see Iain Litchfield for a super car crushing bargain that will absolutely embarass cars 4 times the price.
Personally I've had a good year so I've bought a 22b and am investing quiet some money sorting it out both in handling and power. My personal view (having driven Imprezas over 400bhp) is that a fully sorted 350 bhp or so is optimum. Sitting alongside a sorted chassis with roll bars and differentials all under control means you have a road car that is utterly involving and untouchable.
The Evo/Impreza battle will rage for eternity. Thank god for that. Both cars are wonderful and quite different and I'd have either ahead of a eurobox anyday. 20 mpg? So what? You'll need to invest significant cash to get anything near this performance, so if you're worrying about MPG then look elsewhere.
Impreza, I love you, I salute you. And I can't wait until the next VMax day, nevermind tomorrow when I have to drive my wife to the airport at 7.00 AM. Forget the Vmax, bring on the corners, the drive there and the drive back. Yes TVR owners, that's the drive back, not the AA van
I look forward to hearing from other Subaru owners who've got this far. Badge snobs are already onto their 7th BMW thread of the night. (Sorry again DeR, I Can't help it)Cheers
Edited by Smifffy on Sunday 2nd December 00:25
Great cars, hugely capable and fun, with a touch of magic about them. 22b...
Morningside said:
I am so glad that people are looking past the tied cliché owner image and focusing on the car itself.
The Impreza reminds me of the Cosworth/XR3i of the past. There will be many abused and used cars on the market but after a period of time the will be admired for the great little car that it is.
I also suspect that there are so many ones on the market now as I believe a lot were insured via their parents.
IF I could find a buyer for my Scenic I would buy one tomorrow!
Intersting comparison. I keep telling my wife that in 10 or 20 years time the Impreza will be regarded in the same way that Mk1 and Mk2 Escorts were/are. Decent rally heritage, took both Burnsie and Colin to world championship titles. A lot of reasons to love them.The Impreza reminds me of the Cosworth/XR3i of the past. There will be many abused and used cars on the market but after a period of time the will be admired for the great little car that it is.
I also suspect that there are so many ones on the market now as I believe a lot were insured via their parents.
IF I could find a buyer for my Scenic I would buy one tomorrow!
Edited by Morningside on Monday 3rd December 09:40
Smifffy said:
I think we're going to have to agree to disagree on this one Rob as I don't agree with a single word you've said. You'll be pulling out the "anyone can drive this fast, where's the skill?" one next.
As you say everything is relative - You can from an Elise (900kgs?) into a GD chassis Impreza that weighs 1400kgs. Of course you're going to be diappointed!
What has AWD got to do with masking driver feedback? Not a great deal. It gives different messages to RWD - you just need to listen to them. Spend a little time with Don Palmer.
This all said I have driven a P1 and now a 22b as part of the fleet for the last 6-7 years or so. They're very much more hardcore than the standard Impreza so maybe this is where you're coming from. My original turbo 2000 wasn't a patch on either of these, but always left a grin on my face and I can't remember having any problem with feel or involvement. The problem with that car was I didn't keep the shiny side facing upwards. Ah.
Fair enough. If we ever meet up at the same trackday, we can swap cars for a few laps and then you'll see what you are missing out on (don't put it on its roof though because it hasn't got one!).As you say everything is relative - You can from an Elise (900kgs?) into a GD chassis Impreza that weighs 1400kgs. Of course you're going to be diappointed!
What has AWD got to do with masking driver feedback? Not a great deal. It gives different messages to RWD - you just need to listen to them. Spend a little time with Don Palmer.
This all said I have driven a P1 and now a 22b as part of the fleet for the last 6-7 years or so. They're very much more hardcore than the standard Impreza so maybe this is where you're coming from. My original turbo 2000 wasn't a patch on either of these, but always left a grin on my face and I can't remember having any problem with feel or involvement. The problem with that car was I didn't keep the shiny side facing upwards. Ah.
Rob
Smifffy said:
Do you know what? These cars are unbelieveable. But you're reading this thread into its second page so you already know that. Far too many people write these cars off as 'low end' or disposable. Who cares. This is part of the appeal to me.
Having had a few of these now The value is incredible. I've owned TVRs (Griff 500) and BMws (M5 e39) and nothing touches a well sorted Impreza. This seems like an amazing claim but it's just not. No, it really isn't. If you've got a Griff of a Beemer and you're now thinking 'stupid chav boy' then think again or just hit "what's new" and move along. Forget your brand allegiance and badge beliefs. Go drive one of these and hold your cheeks in place as the G forces build up around the corner and you'll see what I mean. You might start to believe, but be prepared to discard your preconceieved ideas at the ignition key.
I bought my first Subaru after the Griff. the TVR seduced me with its noise and dragster performance but after spinning too many times on a track day I soon realised that it needed a little chassis fettling to get it to richeousness. Sadly a front suspension failure coupled with radiator failure, engine diasaster etc meant I lost total faith and a £16k total ownership bill in less than a year confirmed its doom.
Enter stage left a bog standard £8k Subaru turbo 2000. What composure, what reliability. Wow.
So much faith did I invest that I turned the car onto its roof, slid through 2 fences and came to rest in a national trust field. Great stuff.
Not deterred I went onto an Impreza P1 and now a 22b. There's no way I'd go back. But don't worry, any Porsche, BMW and TVR owners stopped reading this thread a little while ago (apologies DeR) so we can keep this little secret to ourselves.
The OP has a couple of facts wrong. The original P1 cost over 30K and the RB320 sold well over the list price for a while. The UK 22b also traded for £40k or so for a little while, although the premise that it's a working class hero still holds true. If your budget is limited go see Iain Litchfield for a super car crushing bargain that will absolutely embarass cars 4 times the price.
Personally I've had a good year so I've bought a 22b and am investing quiet some money sorting it out both in handling and power. My personal view (having driven Imprezas over 400bhp) is that a fully sorted 350 bhp or so is optimum. Sitting alongside a sorted chassis with roll bars and differentials all under control means you have a road car that is utterly involving and untouchable.
The Evo/Impreza battle will rage for eternity. Thank god for that. Both cars are wonderful and quite different and I'd have either ahead of a eurobox anyday. 20 mpg? So what? You'll need to invest significant cash to get anything near this performance, so if you're worrying about MPG then look elsewhere.
Impreza, I love you, I salute you. And I can't wait until the next VMax day, nevermind tomorrow when I have to drive my wife to the airport at 7.00 AM. Forget the Vmax, bring on the corners, the drive there and the drive back. Yes TVR owners, that's the drive back, not the AA van I look forward to hearing from other Subaru owners who've got this far. Badge snobs are already onto their 7th BMW thread of the night. (Sorry again DeR, I Can't help it)
Cheers
drove severalHaving had a few of these now The value is incredible. I've owned TVRs (Griff 500) and BMws (M5 e39) and nothing touches a well sorted Impreza. This seems like an amazing claim but it's just not. No, it really isn't. If you've got a Griff of a Beemer and you're now thinking 'stupid chav boy' then think again or just hit "what's new" and move along. Forget your brand allegiance and badge beliefs. Go drive one of these and hold your cheeks in place as the G forces build up around the corner and you'll see what I mean. You might start to believe, but be prepared to discard your preconceieved ideas at the ignition key.
I bought my first Subaru after the Griff. the TVR seduced me with its noise and dragster performance but after spinning too many times on a track day I soon realised that it needed a little chassis fettling to get it to richeousness. Sadly a front suspension failure coupled with radiator failure, engine diasaster etc meant I lost total faith and a £16k total ownership bill in less than a year confirmed its doom.
Enter stage left a bog standard £8k Subaru turbo 2000. What composure, what reliability. Wow.
So much faith did I invest that I turned the car onto its roof, slid through 2 fences and came to rest in a national trust field. Great stuff.
Not deterred I went onto an Impreza P1 and now a 22b. There's no way I'd go back. But don't worry, any Porsche, BMW and TVR owners stopped reading this thread a little while ago (apologies DeR) so we can keep this little secret to ourselves.
The OP has a couple of facts wrong. The original P1 cost over 30K and the RB320 sold well over the list price for a while. The UK 22b also traded for £40k or so for a little while, although the premise that it's a working class hero still holds true. If your budget is limited go see Iain Litchfield for a super car crushing bargain that will absolutely embarass cars 4 times the price.
Personally I've had a good year so I've bought a 22b and am investing quiet some money sorting it out both in handling and power. My personal view (having driven Imprezas over 400bhp) is that a fully sorted 350 bhp or so is optimum. Sitting alongside a sorted chassis with roll bars and differentials all under control means you have a road car that is utterly involving and untouchable.
The Evo/Impreza battle will rage for eternity. Thank god for that. Both cars are wonderful and quite different and I'd have either ahead of a eurobox anyday. 20 mpg? So what? You'll need to invest significant cash to get anything near this performance, so if you're worrying about MPG then look elsewhere.
Impreza, I love you, I salute you. And I can't wait until the next VMax day, nevermind tomorrow when I have to drive my wife to the airport at 7.00 AM. Forget the Vmax, bring on the corners, the drive there and the drive back. Yes TVR owners, that's the drive back, not the AA van
I look forward to hearing from other Subaru owners who've got this far. Badge snobs are already onto their 7th BMW thread of the night. (Sorry again DeR, I Can't help it)Cheers
Edited by Smifffy on Sunday 2nd December 00:25
impressive if you've never owned a fast car before and certainly nice and supple on uk roads with a great engine
but boring, subdued and very mainstream or "non-special" once you've driven an EVO6
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