RE: Fake Ferrari Gang Caught
Discussion
guys they're not all rubbish, though i agree MOST of them are. but some of them are OK honest.i was walking past my old dentists in belfast once, and saw a 'Ferrari GTO' outside. i knew that the dentist in question did seem VERY wealthy, with artwork hanging in the surgery, a lot of VIP clients, etc, so it was ALMOST believable. but not quite eh? I mean a GTO in belfast?!!
well of course it wasn;t, it was based on a datsun Z car. but it did look nice, honest, nowhere near as bad as that MR2 yoke, and in fact i could understand the reason to run one. I mean it looked fabulous as even a facsimile of a GTO would, had period-ish interior, and Z's do have a throaty carburettor 6 in them so it would ve sounded nice.
like i say nowhere near as bad as that mr2 thing with a 4 cyl motor in it!
and when its a GTO i think you can forgive someone for running a replica, i mean who can afford one anyway? a decent replica like that belongs, as do the legions of GT40 reps out there, the reason I remember that morning was that I thought i saw a GTO, not the fact that i did see a replica.
well of course it wasn;t, it was based on a datsun Z car. but it did look nice, honest, nowhere near as bad as that MR2 yoke, and in fact i could understand the reason to run one. I mean it looked fabulous as even a facsimile of a GTO would, had period-ish interior, and Z's do have a throaty carburettor 6 in them so it would ve sounded nice.
like i say nowhere near as bad as that mr2 thing with a 4 cyl motor in it!
and when its a GTO i think you can forgive someone for running a replica, i mean who can afford one anyway? a decent replica like that belongs, as do the legions of GT40 reps out there, the reason I remember that morning was that I thought i saw a GTO, not the fact that i did see a replica.
eddiecorr said:
guys they're not all rubbish, though i agree MOST of them are. but some of them are OK honest.i was walking past my old dentists in belfast once, and saw a 'Ferrari GTO' outside. i knew that the dentist in question did seem VERY wealthy, with artwork hanging in the surgery, a lot of VIP clients, etc, so it was ALMOST believable. but not quite eh? I mean a GTO in belfast?!!
well of course it wasn;t, it was based on a datsun Z car. but it did look nice, honest, nowhere near as bad as that MR2 yoke, and in fact i could understand the reason to run one. I mean it looked fabulous as even a facsimile of a GTO would, had period-ish interior, and Z's do have a throaty carburettor 6 in them so it would ve sounded nice.
like i say nowhere near as bad as that mr2 thing with a 4 cyl motor in it!
and when its a GTO i think you can forgive someone for running a replica, i mean who can afford one anyway? a decent replica like that belongs, as do the legions of GT40 reps out there, the reason I remember that morning was that I thought i saw a GTO, not the fact that i did see a replica.
Just a note :well of course it wasn;t, it was based on a datsun Z car. but it did look nice, honest, nowhere near as bad as that MR2 yoke, and in fact i could understand the reason to run one. I mean it looked fabulous as even a facsimile of a GTO would, had period-ish interior, and Z's do have a throaty carburettor 6 in them so it would ve sounded nice.
like i say nowhere near as bad as that mr2 thing with a 4 cyl motor in it!
and when its a GTO i think you can forgive someone for running a replica, i mean who can afford one anyway? a decent replica like that belongs, as do the legions of GT40 reps out there, the reason I remember that morning was that I thought i saw a GTO, not the fact that i did see a replica.
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And then there are those blokes who can't afford an R8 so spend ZAR 100,000 (+- £7000) ruining their TT to look like they can...
http://www.wheels24.co.za/Wheels24/Custom_Cars/0,,...
http://www.wheels24.co.za/Wheels24/Custom_Cars/0,,...
Wow, this thread just keeps going and going. Here's a couple more to chew on: I have a friend who owns a genuine Cobra 427 side oiler that's just too expensive to risk taking it out on the road. (The guy isn't rich, he just bought the car many years ago when it was just an old sports car). So what does he do? Build a thouroghly accurate replica and that's what he drives on the road. He also built a Daytona Coupe replica.
At the other end of the spectrum, back in the late '60s there were "replicas" you could slap over a Beetle chassis. Some were absolutely ridiculous, such as a Porsche 917, and I've seen some "Bugatti Type 57s" and "MT TCs" still running about...and some of them are quite good quality, I mean for what they are. Though of course what they are is wholly ridiculous.
But then there are kits, such as the Meyers Manx SR, an original design on a Beetle plaform, that's one of the neatest kits one could ask for, designed by Bruce Meyers, a genius (if eccentric) designer who created the original Meyers Manx dune buggy on a whim and wound up with a business and one of the most fakeydoo'd cars ever made.
At the other end of the spectrum, back in the late '60s there were "replicas" you could slap over a Beetle chassis. Some were absolutely ridiculous, such as a Porsche 917, and I've seen some "Bugatti Type 57s" and "MT TCs" still running about...and some of them are quite good quality, I mean for what they are. Though of course what they are is wholly ridiculous.
But then there are kits, such as the Meyers Manx SR, an original design on a Beetle plaform, that's one of the neatest kits one could ask for, designed by Bruce Meyers, a genius (if eccentric) designer who created the original Meyers Manx dune buggy on a whim and wound up with a business and one of the most fakeydoo'd cars ever made.
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Wow, this thread just keeps going and going. Here's a couple more to chew on: I have a friend who owns a genuine Cobra 427 side oiler that's just too expensive to risk taking it out on the road. (The guy isn't rich, he just bought the car many years ago when it was just an old sports car). So what does he do? Build a thouroghly accurate replica and that's what he drives on the road. He also built a Daytona Coupe replica
Now that just doesn't make sense to me at all. What is the point in having the genuine article if it's not getting driven, and to have a replica made of your own car is just madness, what this guy has done is de-valued his own car.
As for being too expensive to drive, give me a break. The only really valuable thing on one of these exotics is actually the chassis plate. Unless the car physically disappears you could knit one out of wire wool for 200,000. And isn't that what insurance is for?
For the record and this is not a boast, I've driven a 250 GTO and here's the thing it's just a fu**king car!!!!!! It goes, stops, turns just like. . . well a car all be it an expensive iconic one.
As for the Cobra, used to like them as a boy because of the Gumball Rally but because of the glut of fat arched replicas I've gone of them.
Wow, this thread just keeps going and going. Here's a couple more to chew on: I have a friend who owns a genuine Cobra 427 side oiler that's just too expensive to risk taking it out on the road. (The guy isn't rich, he just bought the car many years ago when it was just an old sports car). So what does he do? Build a thouroghly accurate replica and that's what he drives on the road. He also built a Daytona Coupe replica
Now that just doesn't make sense to me at all. What is the point in having the genuine article if it's not getting driven, and to have a replica made of your own car is just madness, what this guy has done is de-valued his own car.
As for being too expensive to drive, give me a break. The only really valuable thing on one of these exotics is actually the chassis plate. Unless the car physically disappears you could knit one out of wire wool for 200,000. And isn't that what insurance is for?
For the record and this is not a boast, I've driven a 250 GTO and here's the thing it's just a fu**king car!!!!!! It goes, stops, turns just like. . . well a car all be it an expensive iconic one.
As for the Cobra, used to like them as a boy because of the Gumball Rally but because of the glut of fat arched replicas I've gone of them.
eddiecorr said:
like i say nowhere near as bad as that mr2 thing with a 4 cyl motor in it!
It all depends what 4 cyl motor is in it though!It'll never sound like a Ferrari, or will anything else 'kitted up' to look like one, but don't under-estimate the 3S-GTE engine fitted to the Turbo MR2.
When tuned up right, the MR2 is certainly capable of 'embarrassing' a fair few 'performance' cars, ten times its value.
Back to the point,
IMO, fitting a kit to an MR2 is ruining two cars, not just one (the Ferrari).
Ferrari owners always seem to get upset by it, and as strange as it sounds, i can relate to it, as after being an MR2 owner for nearly 5 years, it bothers me that someone would want to make one look like a Ferrari.
Theres nothing wrong with the standard looks of the MR2, and it was always reffered to by the motoring press, as the 'poors mans ferrari'
Each to their own eh?!
TitanSimba said:
And then there are those blokes who can't afford an R8 so spend ZAR 100,000 (+- £7000) ruining their TT to look like they can...
http://www.wheels24.co.za/Wheels24/Custom_Cars/0,,...
Think that looks pretty cool actually http://www.wheels24.co.za/Wheels24/Custom_Cars/0,,...
Partly because it doesn't really look that much like an R8 - someone who didn't know Audis wouldn't notice it as a wannabe. It just looks like some funky bumpers on a TT. I like it
Not sure if this is entirely relevant, but from a "copyright" point of view, the most high profile case that I can remember was in the '70s ( could have been the '80s...not too sure ). A chap called John Dodds decided to fit a Supermarine Spitfire 27ltr V12 into a special bodied monster called "The Beast" and topped it off with a Rolls Royce grill, Spirit of Ecstacy et al. He then took it on a 200mph speed trial to a German autobahn where, after passing numerous police vehicles, they decided to contact Crewe ( the polizei ) and ask " which make of R.R. goes at 203mph?" The obvious reply was of course "none of them....but we'd like further details". Mr. Dodds ended up in court being prosecuted by R.R. ( allegedly ) for using the R.R. name and grill. He even took the beast to the venue, but I believe it broke down and had to be towed. I suppose all manufacturers will, under most conditions, protect their product vehimentley, even referring to legal action no matter how poor that brand may be ( or percieved ).
Twincam16 said:
McBurnie got away with it because they altered the Daytona design sufficiently to constitute an 'original' (no Daytona Spider had a plexiglass front end, it has square headlights and if you look closely at the interior it's all Corvette with wood veneer (neither the Corvette nor the Daytona had wood veneer).
They never got away with it because they were sued by Ferrari and production of the replica stopped.After reading this thread all I can say is one persons taste may not be to anothers liking, this is what makes us human..we're all different. If someone gets enjoyment out of driving their car, whatever it may be, then who are we to comment. At the end of the day it's a car. I have seen some great looking replicas and good luck to those who put time and passion into recreating something they could otherwise never afford. I visited a Ferrari dealership late last year with the intention of buying a half decent model but was put of by the astronomical running costs, I was advised to budget per mile, so it's hardly suprising people turn to replica or counterfiet goods, handbags, watches etc included. The global counterfeit industry pulls in around 6 billion dollars a year I believe, ie there are a lot of people buying into this, and no wonder if the "luxery" industry continually over charge the public for items that are sometimes less better quality than an item that looks as good but at a fraction of the cost. I will be having a great summer this year in my 360 spider replica and thats all that counts.
Wilder said:
The irony that seems to have escaped some who do indeed have or lust after these replicas, is that to the genuine owner -- half of the desirability is that others cant afford the real thing. 
What? I wouldn't care if every 3rd car on the street was an italian exotic, if I had one it would be to appreciate the incredible driving dynamics and the aesthetics of the thing; turning heads would just be a bonus 
I have seen some very well built 356's and 550's replicas. If I'm not wrong, a few porsche dealers in Germany in the mid/late 90's would sell replicas built in brazil from Chamonix. the stick-on porsche badge was sold separately, or something like that.
Do not know if i would buy one though.
Some would run replicas. others would feel personally offended by the existence of a replica and not buy the original as a consequence. I would not be put off buying a f355 simply because there's a bunch of fake toyotas around, if i wanted to have one. others would.
Do not know if i would buy one though.
Some would run replicas. others would feel personally offended by the existence of a replica and not buy the original as a consequence. I would not be put off buying a f355 simply because there's a bunch of fake toyotas around, if i wanted to have one. others would.
this is pathetic.
no i dont like many kit cars but prosecuting someone for making kit cars is a bad joke.
to prosecute someone for this is absolutely ridiculous.
no i dont like many kit cars but prosecuting someone for making kit cars is a bad joke.
Kentish said:
But the prosecution is b/c these guys were passing the so called replicas off as the real deal.
If people are stupid enough to think they can buy a real f355 for £15k then more fool them!
read the article again - they werent advertised or sold as the real deal.If people are stupid enough to think they can buy a real f355 for £15k then more fool them!
to prosecute someone for this is absolutely ridiculous.
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