Is this a little unfair?

[Marki]

Kieran XJR said:

Marki said:

Kieran XJR said:

I think if you kill someone whilst driving you have to face the consequences. There's been too many cases where drivers have just been given a slap on the wrist IMO.

You are right but,,, if as you drove over a junction passing a green light some tt came out of a side road through a red light and into your car and killed himself in the process how would you feel if you were prosecuted

We're talking about a bicycle here, it's not a very fast moving vehicle.

not fast moving you say ,,,

[Kieran XJR]

Bing o said:

The sooner more people realise that driving a ton of machinery requires constant and complete concentration the better.

[Marf]

This may not be a popular view but I think she should have got alot more than 4 measly years. What it boils down to is driving is the most dangerous thing we do day to day and sentences handed down should be far more severe in order to reflect this.

Edited by Marf on Friday 29th February 12:48

[Vesuvius 996]

Look. This is simple.

The motorist is the new pariah and we should act accordingly - in other words don't expect any sympathy from the courts - it's ain't right, or fair, but that's that way it is in these repugnant times.



If you text while you're driving and you have an accident you're going to get fvcked. So just DON'T.

Whether it's right or wrong, you just DON'T put yourself in that position.


Sorry.

[CraigW]

very tragic that someone died but almost on a daily basis do I almost get hit by bikes running the lights while I am accelerating quickly across them once green on a motorbike. I have also been hit in the car by a cyclist who escaped through the traffic & seen them hit other cars & ride off.

Cyclists in london (generally) seem to believe that its ok for them to ignore traffic signals, ride on pavements & weave and dodge or push to the front of the queue for lights then move off at 2mph once they change.

[VladD]

Bing o said:

VladD said:

Bing o said:

VladD said:

Kieran XJR said:

I think if you kill someone whilst driving you have to face the consequences. There's been too many cases where drivers have just been given a slap on the wrist IMO.

This is what really pisses me off. If you kill someone!! So if you drive a car you are automatically the person at fault if someone dies? If someone jumps off the roof of your house and dies, should you be responsible for that too? WAKE UP FFS!!!!

That's not what he said...

WAKE UP FFS!!!!

That IS what he said, hence the "Quote" part. Idiot.

It's not what he meant - and what does it have to do with a man falling off your route.

The sooner more people realise that driving a ton of machinery requires constant and complete concentration the better.

The point I'm trying to make is that just because you drive something, it doesn't automatically make you responsible for any accident that occurs, but it always appears that the blame is put on the motorist by default.

When someone jumps in front of a train you never get the headline "Train driver kills pedestrian", but when someone steps out in front of a car you get "motorist kills pedestrian", especially if the pedestrian is a child.

[Kieran XJR]

Marki said:

Kieran XJR said:

Marki said:

Kieran XJR said:

I think if you kill someone whilst driving you have to face the consequences. There's been too many cases where drivers have just been given a slap on the wrist IMO.

You are right but,,, if as you drove over a junction passing a green light some tt came out of a side road through a red light and into your car and killed himself in the process how would you feel if you were prosecuted

We're talking about a bicycle here, it's not a very fast moving vehicle.

not fast moving you say ,,,

I'm mean relatively, compared to cars generally. The cyclist in question was unlike to have been travelling 30-40mph. I think in most cases there's sufficent time to react to cyclists unless the're right on top of you.

[The T Boy]

Vesuvius 996 said:

Look. This is simple.

If you text while you're driving and you have an accident you're going to get fvcked. So just DON'T.

3 pages neatly summarised.

[will_]

Civpilot said:

Working in west London I have seen a frightening amount of car/pushbike incidents in the past 4 years and most of them have been caused by a pushbike just ignoring a red light and riding out full speed. Thankfully none of these incidents have been fatal. Funnily enough in all of them it has been the cyclist who was been the abusive party in the aftermath screaming at the car driver for thier mistake?

Boggles the mind

I doubt 'most' have been due to a cyclist RLJing - in 3,000 miles on a bike in London last year I never saw one incident/close shave between a bike and a car caused by a RLJing cyclist. I've seen plenty of close shaves of cars turning accross bikes and a few of cars running lights.

I know that a lot of bikes jump lights - but not that many of them are so stupid as to cross without even looking.

[VladD]

Marf said:

This may not be a popular view but I think she should have got alot more than 4 measly years. What it boils down to is driving is the most dangerous thing we do day to day and sentences handed down should be far more severe in order to reflect this.

Edited by Marf on Friday 29th February 12:48

I think our lifestyle is more dangerous than our driving. I'm sure more people die from smoking, eating and drinking related illnesses each year than in motoring accidents.

Edited by VladD on Friday 29th February 13:00

[Vesuvius 996]

VladD said:

Bing o said:

VladD said:

Bing o said:

VladD said:

Kieran XJR said:

I think if you kill someone whilst driving you have to face the consequences. There's been too many cases where drivers have just been given a slap on the wrist IMO.

This is what really pisses me off. If you kill someone!! So if you drive a car you are automatically the person at fault if someone dies? If someone jumps off the roof of your house and dies, should you be responsible for that too? WAKE UP FFS!!!!

That's not what he said...

WAKE UP FFS!!!!

That IS what he said, hence the "Quote" part. Idiot.

It's not what he meant - and what does it have to do with a man falling off your route.

The sooner more people realise that driving a ton of machinery requires constant and complete concentration the better.

The point I'm trying to make is that just because you drive something, it doesn't automatically make you responsible for any accident that occurs, but it always appears that the blame is put on the motorist by default.

When someone jumps in front of a train you never get the headline "Train driver kills pedestrian", but when someone steps out in front of a car you get "motorist kills pedestrian", especially if the pedestrian is a child.

Sorry mate, this was her fault. Texting when driving is a STUPID thing to do. Maybe she'd ahve missed him, maybe she wouldn't, but given she was arrogant enough to think the law didn't apply to her, it's bad luck I'm afraid.

Cyclists are generally kn0bheads, and this one may have been to blame to some extent, but if she'd hit him while driving to the best of her ability, concentrating on the job in hand and reacted/tried to avoid him she'd not be in jail now.

Texting while driving is dumb chav behaviour, and a message needs to be sent (do you see what I did there...?)

[Marf]

VladD said:

Marf said:

This may not be a popular view but I think she should have got alot more than 4 measly years. What it boils down to is driving is the most dangerous thing we do day to day and sentences handed down should be far more severe in order to reflect this.

Edited by Marf on Friday 29th February 12:48

I think out lifestyle is more dangerous than that driving. I'm sure more people die from smoking, eating and drinking related illnesses each year than in motoring accidents.

Yes but you cant run someone over with a pint or a ciggie, can you?

[The T Boy]

VladD said:

I think out lifestyle is more dangerous than that driving. I'm sure more people die from smoking, eating and drinking related illnesses each year than in motoring accidents.

The difference is that eating, smoking and drinking is only going to kill you. Driving a ton of metal into someone becuase you aren't paying attention won't kill you but will probably cause some serious damage to them.

[VladD]

Vesuvius 996 said:

...and a message needs to be sent (do you see what I did there...?)

So you're saying that her sentence should be based not on the severity of her crime, but on the need to get a message out there?

Edited by VladD on Friday 29th February 12:59

[Kieran XJR]

VladD said:

Bing o said:

VladD said:

Bing o said:

VladD said:

Kieran XJR said:

I think if you kill someone whilst driving you have to face the consequences. There's been too many cases where drivers have just been given a slap on the wrist IMO.

This is what really pisses me off. If you kill someone!! So if you drive a car you are automatically the person at fault if someone dies? If someone jumps off the roof of your house and dies, should you be responsible for that too? WAKE UP FFS!!!!

That's not what he said...

WAKE UP FFS!!!!

That IS what he said, hence the "Quote" part. Idiot.

It's not what he meant - and what does it have to do with a man falling off your route.

The sooner more people realise that driving a ton of machinery requires constant and complete concentration the better.

The point I'm trying to make is that just because you drive something, it doesn't automatically make you responsible for any accident that occurs, but it always appears that the blame is put on the motorist by default.

When someone jumps in front of a train you never get the headline "Train driver kills pedestrian", but when someone steps out in front of a car you get "motorist kills pedestrian", especially if the pedestrian is a child.

If there's literally no time to react to a situation then you shouldn't be harshly held to account. It it's deemed to be avoidable then you should be. Driving a large heavy machine capable of causing death does make you highly responsible for the events that it's involved in.

Edited by Kieran XJR on Friday 29th February 12:59

[grumbledoak]

It seems she is being "made an example of" (i.e. an injustice). For sure, she was driving without due care, or even dangerous driving. But the fact that she was sharing a junction with a Darwin Awards candidate should not have been used to assign her extra time inside.

[Puggit]

It was proven in the court case that if she hadn't been texting, then she could have avoided the accident.

Still far too harsh in my view though...

[Vesuvius 996]

VladD said:

Vesuvius 996 said:

VladD said:

Bing o said:

VladD said:

Bing o said:

VladD said:

Kieran XJR said:

I think if you kill someone whilst driving you have to face the consequences. There's been too many cases where drivers have just been given a slap on the wrist IMO.

This is what really pisses me off. If you kill someone!! So if you drive a car you are automatically the person at fault if someone dies? If someone jumps off the roof of your house and dies, should you be responsible for that too? WAKE UP FFS!!!!

That's not what he said...

WAKE UP FFS!!!!

That IS what he said, hence the "Quote" part. Idiot.

It's not what he meant - and what does it have to do with a man falling off your route.

The sooner more people realise that driving a ton of machinery requires constant and complete concentration the better.

The point I'm trying to make is that just because you drive something, it doesn't automatically make you responsible for any accident that occurs, but it always appears that the blame is put on the motorist by default.

When someone jumps in front of a train you never get the headline "Train driver kills pedestrian", but when someone steps out in front of a car you get "motorist kills pedestrian", especially if the pedestrian is a child.

Sorry mate, this was her fault. Texting when driving is a STUPID thing to do. Maybe she'd ahve missed him, maybe she wouldn't, but given she was arrogant enough to think the law didn't apply to her, it's bad luck I'm afraid.

Cyclists are generally kn0bheads, and this one may have been to blame to some extent, but if she'd hit him while driving to the best of her ability, concentrating on the job in hand and reacted/tried to avoid him she'd not be in jail now.

Texting while driving is dumb chav behaviour, and a message needs to be sent (do you see what I did there...?)

You wrong. Texting while driving is a very stupid thing to do. She was texting, he ran a red light. They're both responsible for his death, not just her.

Indeed, the dead cyclist is partly the author of his own misfortune.

BUT


1. She knew texting is wrong
2. She did it anyway
3. She's not dead

I think the sentence is a bit harsh really, but this is about making an example of her.

I don't especially want my dear old Mum to get flattened on the pavement by some dumb b1tch who's texting her boyfriend while she's driving. If this sentence makes dumb b1tches pull over before they text then good.

[Marki]

Kieran XJR said:

Marki said:

Kieran XJR said:

Marki said:

Kieran XJR said:

I think if you kill someone whilst driving you have to face the consequences. There's been too many cases where drivers have just been given a slap on the wrist IMO.

You are right but,,, if as you drove over a junction passing a green light some tt came out of a side road through a red light and into your car and killed himself in the process how would you feel if you were prosecuted

We're talking about a bicycle here, it's not a very fast moving vehicle.

not fast moving you say ,,,

I'm mean relatively, compared to cars generally. The cyclist in question was unlike to have been travelling 30-40mph. I think in most cases there's sufficent time to react to cyclists unless the're right on top of you.

Who is to say she was not right on top of him when he ran the red light

[VladD]

Marf said:

VladD said:

Marf said:

This may not be a popular view but I think she should have got alot more than 4 measly years. What it boils down to is driving is the most dangerous thing we do day to day and sentences handed down should be far more severe in order to reflect this.

Edited by Marf on Friday 29th February 12:48

I think out lifestyle is more dangerous than that driving. I'm sure more people die from smoking, eating and drinking related illnesses each year than in motoring accidents.

Yes but you cant run someone over with a pint or a ciggie, can you?

Know, but you can still cause loss of life.