RE: Audi R8 V12 TDI
Discussion
otolith said:
The Le Mans thing, I wouldn't go so far as to say that it's "rigged", but when the cars race to different sets of rules specifically intended to equalise the performance you can't really say anything about the relative merits of the technologies. Same thing will happen with hybrids.
well said!problem with dismals is that VAG and Peugeot managed to hoodwink the ACO...
it would not be so bad, but the fuel they run is nothing like the diesel you buy at the forcourt, where's the petrol cars at le-mans have to run on ACO supplied std road fuel.
basically, it's a joke to call this racing, if they want to run dismals, fine, but create a class for them or run them to the SAME rules as every other car...
sniff petrol said:
dxb335d said:
I think my re-mapped 335d (340+bhp and 530ib-ft) is fast enough, god knows how fast that beast will be!
Carlos
Then why are you looking at getting a 996TT then Carlos
matt3001 said:
dxb335d said:
I think my re-mapped 335d (340+bhp and 530ib-ft) is fast enough, god knows how fast that beast will be!
Carlos
Carlos, how are you finding the 335d? I have a dilemma at the moment, I have an Audi A3 2.0TDI S-Line 170bhp as the everyday car, and am about to get the equivalent Leon for the girlfriend. But I used to have a 320ci M-Sport Cab as my weekend car but recently sold it, now i'm looking at trading in the Audi and getting a 335d cab and using it all the time, or keeping the Audi and getting a Renault Clio 197 F1 for the weekend. Just wondered how you find the 335d as a car, and as an owner, any faults with it?Carlos
last trip to Santa Pod i did a 13.5@105mph beating E39 M5'S M3's and 335i's lol.
The autbox is well matched to the engine. I did a write up (annual report) recently in the BMW forum. Take a look!
I dont think they do a 335d vert yet though mate. Might have to wait for that one!
Carlos
Scuffers said:
otolith said:
The Le Mans thing, I wouldn't go so far as to say that it's "rigged", but when the cars race to different sets of rules specifically intended to equalise the performance you can't really say anything about the relative merits of the technologies. Same thing will happen with hybrids.
well said!problem with dismals is that VAG and Peugeot managed to hoodwink the ACO...
it would not be so bad, but the fuel they run is nothing like the diesel you buy at the forcourt, where's the petrol cars at le-mans have to run on ACO supplied std road fuel.
basically, it's a joke to call this racing, if they want to run dismals, fine, but create a class for them or run them to the SAME rules as every other car...
What RON is V-Power at the pumps? Shell are quoting 101 RON for the race fuel.
VladD said:
red_zed said:
the idea of a supercar is to shock, no?
Yes, but it's the kind of shock that's important.If I woke up after a night out with Kylie in my bed, I'd be shocked and delighted.
This is like waking up after a night out with Gordon Brown in your bed.
ferrisbueller said:
Scuffers said:
ferrisbueller said:
Scuffers said:
gary11 said:
the audi is biased to win but Im afraid to say its the outright fasted car at le man check the lap times!
so? like I said, the rules are rigged in their favour..the dismal is nowhere neer the outright speed record yet anyway, last year the Audi R10 TDi hit 339 km/h (211 mph), that's some way short of the outright record (with chicanes)
The Nissan R90CK (group C car) achieved the highest straightline speed on the Mulsanne straight (with chicanes), Mark Blundell reached at 366 km/h (226.9 mph) on his pole position lap (1990).
so reading is not one of your stong points then?
let me repeat myself.. THE RULES ARE RIGGED TO FAVOUR DIESELS
there are no petrol Turbo cars in LMP1
Just been trying to find a one of lap time comparison but it's not possible due to circuit changes.
Edited by ferrisbueller on Friday 11th April 20:10
ETA I was quite near one of the diesel audis and some fuel was spilt it was like no diesel fuel Ive ever seen/smelt and it evaporated too!dont know what it is/was.
Edited by gary11 on Saturday 12th April 15:44
Scuffers said:
otolith said:
The Le Mans thing, I wouldn't go so far as to say that it's "rigged", but when the cars race to different sets of rules specifically intended to equalise the performance you can't really say anything about the relative merits of the technologies. Same thing will happen with hybrids.
well said!problem with dismals is that VAG and Peugeot managed to hoodwink the ACO...
it would not be so bad, but the fuel they run is nothing like the diesel you buy at the forcourt, where's the petrol cars at le-mans have to run on ACO supplied std road fuel.
basically, it's a joke to call this racing, if they want to run dismals, fine, but create a class for them or run them to the SAME rules as every other car...
It would be interesting if the manufacturers were given more reign. Let them run petrol turbos with the resultant hit in fuel use and let Audi see if they squeeze bigger tanks in their cars. It'd be interesting. The field will be levelled out eventually though, it always has.
Fire99 said:
Even new diesels still smoke when you bury the 'loud pedal' and moving on from the CO2 witch hunt they still throw out some nasty toxins and i really dont fancy living in a world of smelly derv vehicles killing our lungs and making all out buildings go grey...
You've got it the wrong way round i'm afraid. Numerically, petrols put out more particulates than diesels. They are fine and light, remain airborne for longer and are absorbed deeply in to the lungs. Diesel particulates are fewer but larger, can be seen hence the black smoke, but fall to ground relatively rapidly and basically gets washed down the drains when it rains.The really nasty toxins though - the ones that really do injure health - is the carcinogens added to petrol to replace lead. Which was another really nasty toxin injurious to health.
heebeegeetee said:
Fire99 said:
Even new diesels still smoke when you bury the 'loud pedal' and moving on from the CO2 witch hunt they still throw out some nasty toxins and i really dont fancy living in a world of smelly derv vehicles killing our lungs and making all out buildings go grey...
You've got it the wrong way round i'm afraid. Numerically, petrols put out more particulates than diesels. They are fine and light, remain airborne for longer and are absorbed deeply in to the lungs. Diesel particulates are fewer but larger, can be seen hence the black smoke, but fall to ground relatively rapidly and basically gets washed down the drains when it rains.The really nasty toxins though - the ones that really do injure health - is the carcinogens added to petrol to replace lead. Which was another really nasty toxin injurious to health.
really bad news stuff, way worse than the so-called effects of lead...
Scuffers said:
really bad news stuff, way worse than the so-called effects of lead...
I'm not sure about "so-called" effects of lead - the harmful effects were known from the beginning but the petroleum companies got governments to keep schtum. I believe we've seen a similar thing in the UK with deliberate misinformation put out about diesel, and i've seen and heard complete mistruths put out by respected media such as the BBC and broadsheet newspapers. Its sad to see how successful that campaign was, particularly as it only takes a little research to find out what is true and what isn't.If you look up 'Diesel' on wikipedia, it says (amongst other things) "The study of nanotoxicology is still in its infancy, and the extent of health and societal effects caused by diesel combustion is unknown".
heebeegeetee said:
Scuffers said:
really bad news stuff, way worse than the so-called effects of lead...
I'm not sure about "so-called" effects of lead - the harmful effects were known from the beginning but the petroleum companies got governments to keep schtum. I believe we've seen a similar thing in the UK with deliberate misinformation put out about diesel, and i've seen and heard complete mistruths put out by respected media such as the BBC and broadsheet newspapers. Its sad to see how successful that campaign was, particularly as it only takes a little research to find out what is true and what isn't.If you look up 'Diesel' on wikipedia, it says (amongst other things) "The study of nanotoxicology is still in its infancy, and the extent of health and societal effects caused by diesel combustion is unknown".
Dave
Mr Whippy said:
heebeegeetee said:
Scuffers said:
really bad news stuff, way worse than the so-called effects of lead...
I'm not sure about "so-called" effects of lead - the harmful effects were known from the beginning but the petroleum companies got governments to keep schtum. I believe we've seen a similar thing in the UK with deliberate misinformation put out about diesel, and i've seen and heard complete mistruths put out by respected media such as the BBC and broadsheet newspapers. Its sad to see how successful that campaign was, particularly as it only takes a little research to find out what is true and what isn't.If you look up 'Diesel' on wikipedia, it says (amongst other things) "The study of nanotoxicology is still in its infancy, and the extent of health and societal effects caused by diesel combustion is unknown".
Dave
Mr Whippy said:
heebeegeetee said:
Scuffers said:
really bad news stuff, way worse than the so-called effects of lead...
I'm not sure about "so-called" effects of lead - the harmful effects were known from the beginning but the petroleum companies got governments to keep schtum. I believe we've seen a similar thing in the UK with deliberate misinformation put out about diesel, and i've seen and heard complete mistruths put out by respected media such as the BBC and broadsheet newspapers. Its sad to see how successful that campaign was, particularly as it only takes a little research to find out what is true and what isn't.If you look up 'Diesel' on wikipedia, it says (amongst other things) "The study of nanotoxicology is still in its infancy, and the extent of health and societal effects caused by diesel combustion is unknown".
Dave
Hi, You can't run petrol gearbox with a diesel engine, all the ratio's would be wrong. Most diesel are governed/limited to 5000rpm, petrols are a lot higher and the R8 is about 8000rpm so you wouldn't get a very high speed out of any of the gears. Also the R8 petrol is a supercar as you are know so the gearbox on the R8 petrol is make of lighter alloy's, The R8 diesel would distroy this box and thats why they used the Audi A4 V6 TDI gearbox
Terminator X said:
Wtf nearly 6 years later
TX.
It's because for some reason PH keeps putting links and pictures to old stories on the bottom of the home page.TX.
I personally am starting to get really fed up with it, as it looks like it might be new news from the picture, so you click on it, and it tells you it's from anything from 4-8 years ago?
It's well frustrating!
I can only assume it's because PH don't have enough new copy for news worthy headline stories!?!?
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