RE: Audi R8 V12 TDI

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Scuffers

20,887 posts

273 months

Friday 11th April 2008
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otolith said:
The Le Mans thing, I wouldn't go so far as to say that it's "rigged", but when the cars race to different sets of rules specifically intended to equalise the performance you can't really say anything about the relative merits of the technologies. Same thing will happen with hybrids.
well said!

problem with dismals is that VAG and Peugeot managed to hoodwink the ACO...

it would not be so bad, but the fuel they run is nothing like the diesel you buy at the forcourt, where's the petrol cars at le-mans have to run on ACO supplied std road fuel.

basically, it's a joke to call this racing, if they want to run dismals, fine, but create a class for them or run them to the SAME rules as every other car...

dxb335d

2,905 posts

194 months

Friday 11th April 2008
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sniff petrol said:
dxb335d said:
I think my re-mapped 335d (340+bhp and 530ib-ft) is fast enough, god knows how fast that beast will be!


Carlos
Then why are you looking at getting a 996TT then wink
To go even faster matey!!eek

matt3001 said:
dxb335d said:
I think my re-mapped 335d (340+bhp and 530ib-ft) is fast enough, god knows how fast that beast will be!


Carlos
Carlos, how are you finding the 335d? I have a dilemma at the moment, I have an Audi A3 2.0TDI S-Line 170bhp as the everyday car, and am about to get the equivalent Leon for the girlfriend. But I used to have a 320ci M-Sport Cab as my weekend car but recently sold it, now i'm looking at trading in the Audi and getting a 335d cab and using it all the time, or keeping the Audi and getting a Renault Clio 197 F1 for the weekend. Just wondered how you find the 335d as a car, and as an owner, any faults with it?
The 335d has been superb mate, ive done well over 30k in a year and its been faultess. Done 4k on a re-map and its been even better. Best ''Real World Car of the Present Day'' for sure!!

last trip to Santa Pod i did a 13.5@105mph beating E39 M5'S M3's and 335i's lol.

The autbox is well matched to the engine. I did a write up (annual report) recently in the BMW forum. Take a look!

I dont think they do a 335d vert yet though mate. Might have to wait for that one!

Carlos

ferrisbueller

29,260 posts

226 months

Friday 11th April 2008
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Scuffers said:
otolith said:
The Le Mans thing, I wouldn't go so far as to say that it's "rigged", but when the cars race to different sets of rules specifically intended to equalise the performance you can't really say anything about the relative merits of the technologies. Same thing will happen with hybrids.
well said!

problem with dismals is that VAG and Peugeot managed to hoodwink the ACO...

it would not be so bad, but the fuel they run is nothing like the diesel you buy at the forcourt, where's the petrol cars at le-mans have to run on ACO supplied std road fuel.

basically, it's a joke to call this racing, if they want to run dismals, fine, but create a class for them or run them to the SAME rules as every other car...
Just looking at this and the V-Power diesel "LM24" is 61 Cetane so fair enough you would struggle to get it at the pumps.
What RON is V-Power at the pumps? Shell are quoting 101 RON for the race fuel.

Jimmyslovinit

55 posts

200 months

Saturday 12th April 2008
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VladD said:
red_zed said:
the idea of a supercar is to shock, no?
Yes, but it's the kind of shock that's important.

If I woke up after a night out with Kylie in my bed, I'd be shocked and delighted.

This is like waking up after a night out with Gordon Brown in your bed.
Great analogy! It may also suggest that those who would indeed be "delighted" to drive this car may be partial to the odd deviant fetish?

gary11

4,162 posts

200 months

Saturday 12th April 2008
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ferrisbueller said:
Scuffers said:
ferrisbueller said:
Scuffers said:
gary11 said:
the audi is biased to win but Im afraid to say its the outright fasted car at le man check the lap times!
so? like I said, the rules are rigged in their favour..

the dismal is nowhere neer the outright speed record yet anyway, last year the Audi R10 TDi hit 339 km/h (211 mph), that's some way short of the outright record (with chicanes)

The Nissan R90CK (group C car) achieved the highest straightline speed on the Mulsanne straight (with chicanes), Mark Blundell reached at 366 km/h (226.9 mph) on his pole position lap (1990).
So no petrol has gone faster than that since 1990 either? What's your point?
lol!

so reading is not one of your stong points then?

let me repeat myself.. THE RULES ARE RIGGED TO FAVOUR DIESELS

there are no petrol Turbo cars in LMP1
I still don't see your point - I don't know what comparison you're trying to make by citing Blundell's Vmax, as the rules in all categories have changed numerous times since then. I know the rules are currently biased towards diesel but no turbo petrol cars have gone faster than Blundell's either as the car's power and speed have been reined in.

Just been trying to find a one of lap time comparison but it's not possible due to circuit changes.

Edited by ferrisbueller on Friday 11th April 20:10
check out the lap times of the rest of the current line up,the bias I refer too is the length of time gained by the audi due to the amount of pitstops,though I understand the aco were trying after protests by the pescarolo team ect to even this up,the performance aspect in endurance racing is only at best equal to handling and braking with reliability bening the mainstay,hence the slower lmp2 rs spyder beating all of the field many times in alms,hope they supprise a few people this year ,dont forget in 2005 the 575gtc was outright fastest car through the radar several times in the race itself,hope this explains my post a bit more so you can understand my point!driving cant wait for june to come.

ETA I was quite near one of the diesel audis and some fuel was spilt it was like no diesel fuel Ive ever seen/smelt and it evaporated too!dont know what it is/was.

Edited by gary11 on Saturday 12th April 15:44

Scuffers

20,887 posts

273 months

Saturday 12th April 2008
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gary11 said:
ETA I was quite near one of the diesel audis and some fuel was spilt it was like no diesel fuel Ive ever seen/smelt and it evaporated too!dont know what it is/was.
it's synthetic diesel made from natural gas...


heebeegeetee

28,590 posts

247 months

Saturday 12th April 2008
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Scuffers said:
otolith said:
The Le Mans thing, I wouldn't go so far as to say that it's "rigged", but when the cars race to different sets of rules specifically intended to equalise the performance you can't really say anything about the relative merits of the technologies. Same thing will happen with hybrids.
well said!

problem with dismals is that VAG and Peugeot managed to hoodwink the ACO...

it would not be so bad, but the fuel they run is nothing like the diesel you buy at the forcourt, where's the petrol cars at le-mans have to run on ACO supplied std road fuel.

basically, it's a joke to call this racing, if they want to run dismals, fine, but create a class for them or run them to the SAME rules as every other car...
Do you know about when diesels won the 2x 24 hr races at spa and the 'Ring? (Beemer 3 seireses). The drivers said how relaxing the car was to race. The rules were immediately changed to forbid drivers staying in the car for longer than 2 hours and the diesel advantage was immediately removed.

It would be interesting if the manufacturers were given more reign. Let them run petrol turbos with the resultant hit in fuel use and let Audi see if they squeeze bigger tanks in their cars. It'd be interesting. The field will be levelled out eventually though, it always has.

heebeegeetee

28,590 posts

247 months

Saturday 12th April 2008
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Fire99 said:
Even new diesels still smoke when you bury the 'loud pedal' and moving on from the CO2 witch hunt they still throw out some nasty toxins and i really dont fancy living in a world of smelly derv vehicles killing our lungs and making all out buildings go grey...
You've got it the wrong way round i'm afraid. Numerically, petrols put out more particulates than diesels. They are fine and light, remain airborne for longer and are absorbed deeply in to the lungs. Diesel particulates are fewer but larger, can be seen hence the black smoke, but fall to ground relatively rapidly and basically gets washed down the drains when it rains.

The really nasty toxins though - the ones that really do injure health - is the carcinogens added to petrol to replace lead. Which was another really nasty toxin injurious to health.

Scuffers

20,887 posts

273 months

Saturday 12th April 2008
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heebeegeetee said:
Fire99 said:
Even new diesels still smoke when you bury the 'loud pedal' and moving on from the CO2 witch hunt they still throw out some nasty toxins and i really dont fancy living in a world of smelly derv vehicles killing our lungs and making all out buildings go grey...
You've got it the wrong way round i'm afraid. Numerically, petrols put out more particulates than diesels. They are fine and light, remain airborne for longer and are absorbed deeply in to the lungs. Diesel particulates are fewer but larger, can be seen hence the black smoke, but fall to ground relatively rapidly and basically gets washed down the drains when it rains.

The really nasty toxins though - the ones that really do injure health - is the carcinogens added to petrol to replace lead. Which was another really nasty toxin injurious to health.
MTBE's...

really bad news stuff, way worse than the so-called effects of lead...

heebeegeetee

28,590 posts

247 months

Saturday 12th April 2008
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Scuffers said:
really bad news stuff, way worse than the so-called effects of lead...
I'm not sure about "so-called" effects of lead - the harmful effects were known from the beginning but the petroleum companies got governments to keep schtum. I believe we've seen a similar thing in the UK with deliberate misinformation put out about diesel, and i've seen and heard complete mistruths put out by respected media such as the BBC and broadsheet newspapers. Its sad to see how successful that campaign was, particularly as it only takes a little research to find out what is true and what isn't.

If you look up 'Diesel' on wikipedia, it says (amongst other things) "The study of nanotoxicology is still in its infancy, and the extent of health and societal effects caused by diesel combustion is unknown".


Mr Whippy

28,944 posts

240 months

Sunday 13th April 2008
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heebeegeetee said:
Scuffers said:
really bad news stuff, way worse than the so-called effects of lead...
I'm not sure about "so-called" effects of lead - the harmful effects were known from the beginning but the petroleum companies got governments to keep schtum. I believe we've seen a similar thing in the UK with deliberate misinformation put out about diesel, and i've seen and heard complete mistruths put out by respected media such as the BBC and broadsheet newspapers. Its sad to see how successful that campaign was, particularly as it only takes a little research to find out what is true and what isn't.

If you look up 'Diesel' on wikipedia, it says (amongst other things) "The study of nanotoxicology is still in its infancy, and the extent of health and societal effects caused by diesel combustion is unknown".
I think it's safe to say no matter the differences from petrol to diesel they are small fry vs the stuff we knowingly and happily expose ourselves to anyway smokindrink etc smile

Dave

heebeegeetee

28,590 posts

247 months

Sunday 13th April 2008
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Mr Whippy said:
heebeegeetee said:
Scuffers said:
really bad news stuff, way worse than the so-called effects of lead...
I'm not sure about "so-called" effects of lead - the harmful effects were known from the beginning but the petroleum companies got governments to keep schtum. I believe we've seen a similar thing in the UK with deliberate misinformation put out about diesel, and i've seen and heard complete mistruths put out by respected media such as the BBC and broadsheet newspapers. Its sad to see how successful that campaign was, particularly as it only takes a little research to find out what is true and what isn't.

If you look up 'Diesel' on wikipedia, it says (amongst other things) "The study of nanotoxicology is still in its infancy, and the extent of health and societal effects caused by diesel combustion is unknown".
I think it's safe to say no matter the differences from petrol to diesel they are small fry vs the stuff we knowingly and happily expose ourselves to anyway smokindrink etc smile

Dave
Benzene gets linked to leukemia tha'knows. In fact it seems they don't know much about what does cause leukemia (sp), but of the two agents that they know that does, benzene is one of them.

heebeegeetee

28,590 posts

247 months

Sunday 13th April 2008
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Mr Whippy said:
heebeegeetee said:
Scuffers said:
really bad news stuff, way worse than the so-called effects of lead...
I'm not sure about "so-called" effects of lead - the harmful effects were known from the beginning but the petroleum companies got governments to keep schtum. I believe we've seen a similar thing in the UK with deliberate misinformation put out about diesel, and i've seen and heard complete mistruths put out by respected media such as the BBC and broadsheet newspapers. Its sad to see how successful that campaign was, particularly as it only takes a little research to find out what is true and what isn't.

If you look up 'Diesel' on wikipedia, it says (amongst other things) "The study of nanotoxicology is still in its infancy, and the extent of health and societal effects caused by diesel combustion is unknown".
I think it's safe to say no matter the differences from petrol to diesel they are small fry vs the stuff we knowingly and happily expose ourselves to anyway smokindrink etc smile

Dave
Benzene gets linked to leukemia tha'knows. In fact it seems they don't know much about what does cause leukemia (sp), but of the two agents that they know that does, benzene is one of them.

westy5

1 posts

191 months

Friday 18th April 2008
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i gotta say 1 of the best lookin cars around

Diesel Power

6 posts

190 months

Friday 2nd May 2008
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Hi, You can't run petrol gearbox with a diesel engine, all the ratio's would be wrong. Most diesel are governed/limited to 5000rpm, petrols are a lot higher and the R8 is about 8000rpm so you wouldn't get a very high speed out of any of the gears. Also the R8 petrol is a supercar as you are know so the gearbox on the R8 petrol is make of lighter alloy's, The R8 diesel would distroy this box and thats why they used the Audi A4 V6 TDI gearbox

Chuffmeister

3,597 posts

136 months

Sunday 2nd March 2014
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That will be twelve injectors to replace and a couple of blocked cats...

Terminator X

14,920 posts

203 months

Sunday 2nd March 2014
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Wtf nearly 6 years later eek

TX.

kmack

157 posts

132 months

Monday 3rd March 2014
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This could be next years caravan tow car of the year with all that torque!

Malachimon

477 posts

124 months

Friday 7th March 2014
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This v12 in the Q7 was good but in a lighter supercar I can see it will be incredible, if a little odd

nigelpugh7

5,996 posts

189 months

Monday 10th March 2014
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Terminator X said:
Wtf nearly 6 years later eek

TX.
It's because for some reason PH keeps putting links and pictures to old stories on the bottom of the home page.

I personally am starting to get really fed up with it, as it looks like it might be new news from the picture, so you click on it, and it tells you it's from anything from 4-8 years ago?

It's well frustrating!

I can only assume it's because PH don't have enough new copy for news worthy headline stories!?!?