RE: PH Heroes: Honda Integra Type-R

[rallycross]

my Integra Type R's have faced up very well to many other 5 star cars, sadly dont have pics of all (would have made a great EVO group test!) but list includes EVO VI RS TME, RB5 Imreza, EVO MR, 944 Turbo S, E3 M3 EVO, Corrado VR6, Puma Racing, S2000, VX220-T, Clio Cup, ok its not as fast as many of these cars but it still stands its own ground;

205 gti race car and clio cup 182



Vr6 corrado, Alpina, Clio 182 cup



Spec C Impreza and Racing Puma



racing cars on track



Also 944 turbo Se, M3 EVo E36, Impreza RB5, EVO VI RS,

[Herman Toothrot]

Only read bits of the thread but the DC2, comparing it to Corrados, 205's etc is insulting. I'm a rear drive fan myself, but I'd probably deviate to a DC2 at some point. They are in their own league when it come to front drive and that own league leaves E30 bmw's etc in its wake.

? Any one ever seen an E30 on a track day actually going fast? I drive in the novice group when ever I go out and the only E30s are always in novice and always the slowest bouncing round the bends.

[Eddh]

steve z said:

Eddh said:

Chris_R said:

and threading a few corners together down the Chepstow - Monmouth road...

fk me what a road! Try the Chepstow - Raglan and the Raglan - Abergavenny ones as well.

You should try this circuit:-

Chepstow to Monmouth B4293
Monmouth to Abergavenny B4233
Abergavenny to Usk B4598
Usk to Chepstow B4235

Wow!

I live on the Raglan - Abergavenny road so i get the treat of driving these roads all the time. Drive Raglan to Chepstow on a daily basis. Do you go St Arvens (Arvans?) way or the Itton way?

[Herman Toothrot]

Eddh said:

steve z said:

Eddh said:

Chris_R said:

and threading a few corners together down the Chepstow - Monmouth road...

fk me what a road! Try the Chepstow - Raglan and the Raglan - Abergavenny ones as well.

You should try this circuit:-

Chepstow to Monmouth B4293
Monmouth to Abergavenny B4233
Abergavenny to Usk B4598
Usk to Chepstow B4235

Wow!

I live on the Raglan - Abergavenny road so i get the treat of driving these roads all the time. Drive Raglan to Chepstow on a daily basis. Do you go St Arvens (Arvans?) way or the Itton way?

I learned to drive on these road in a mini back in 1994.

[Steve Gunnis]

rallycross said:

my Integra Type R's have faced up very well to many other 5 star cars, sadly dont have pics of all (would have made a great EVO group test!) but list includes EVO VI RS TME, RB5 Imreza, EVO MR, 944 Turbo S, E3 M3 EVO, Corrado VR6, Puma Racing, S2000, VX220-T, Clio Cup, ok its not as fast as many of these cars but it still stands its own ground;

205 gti race car and clio cup 182

Brilliant, my first car was a 205 1.9 GTi, second car was a Clio Trophy and now I have the ITR and a Mk 1 MX-5. Selling the MX tomorrow though : (
Never got a picture with all three of them together, did overlap with the first two for a while though. They were all brilliant.

[EvoBarry]

rallycross said:

my Integra Type R's have faced up very well to many other 5 star cars, //cut bits out// ok its not as fast as many of these cars but it still stands its own ground;

205 gti race car and clio cup 182

Vr6 corrado, Alpina, Clio 182 cup

Spec C Impreza and Racing Puma

racing cars on track

Also 944 turbo Se, M3 EVo E36, Impreza RB5, EVO VI RS,

I've found the ITR can harass quite a few cars in the groups most would consider as above it, and have enjoyed many a tussle with them in the past, although I would add that the OEM Bridgestones can get a bit er lively ontrack, they overheat rather quickly if you let the car move about a lot...

[snotrag]

Has any body driven one of these back to back against a GTi-6?

The 'teg seems like a natural progression from my current car.

It seems to take all the things I love about my current car, and improve on them slighlty. While having less of the small issues that I dont like about my current car.

[rallycross]

snotrag said:

Has any body driven one of these back to back against a GTi-6?

The 'teg seems like a natural progression from my current car.

It seems to take all the things I love about my current car, and improve on them slighlty. While having less of the small issues that I dont like about my current car.

have had Gti6 or rallye at same time as the Honda, similar straightline performance, the Pug might be a bit quicker in traffic due to its better low down power, handling wise the Pug is fun with lift oversteer etc but its not in the same league as the Honda, neither is the Pugs brakes, steering or gearchange....

[mikeyr]

good god i love the 'teg Type R so this thread triggered me to look on ebay at them...what the hell are these monstrosities?

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1996-HONDA-INTEGRA-TYPE-R-DC...

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1997-HONDA-INTEGRA-TYPE-R-Ma...

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1996-Honda-Integra-Type-R-DC...

hard to find an unmodified one on ebay - real shame.

[rallycross]

best left as standard, Honda spent a lot of time and YEN getting it just right!

[havoc]

rallycross said:

snotrag said:

Has any body driven one of these back to back against a GTi-6?

The 'teg seems like a natural progression from my current car.

It seems to take all the things I love about my current car, and improve on them slighlty. While having less of the small issues that I dont like about my current car.

have had Gti6 or rallye at same time as the Honda, similar straightline performance, the Pug might be a bit quicker in traffic due to its better low down power, handling wise the Pug is fun with lift oversteer etc but its not in the same league as the Honda, neither is the Pugs brakes, steering or gearchange....

Wife owns a GTi-6.

Rallycross is pretty close to my thoughts - engine is more tractable low-down, and is nicely throaty, but lacks the top-end punch and aggression...'teg would only be noticeably quicker above say 90mph.

Pug has more l-o-o, which makes it a little more fun to pratt around in, but 'teg more confidence inspiring above 9.5/10ths. Both have excellent steering IMHO, 'tegs brakes are more feelsome and a shade more potent, 'teg gearchange much better than the Pug's, but I reckon synchro is weaker and more likely to give rise to a big bill...

VFM wise, the GTi-6 is unbeatable, IMHO - superb fun, and still quick-enough today. But the 'teg is definitely a 1/2-step up, although because it's so focused it won't feel like it 75% of the time, IYSWIM!

[vino 187]

stew-S160 said:

hirsty27 said:

The prices of these Type R's seem to hold there value well, I'd be interested to know the production figures.

Good review though, a work mate used to keep raving about these cars, he had a Honda Prelude 2.2 Vtec and then rather oddly got a Alfa Romeo 147 2.0l Twin Spark when the oportunity was there to get a DC2 Type R..DOH!..

I prefer the earlier model with the different headlights. The Integra featured here, ..I've never grown to like the front 'spectical like' headlights.

This 'reving the tits out of it VTEC malarky' is also an acquired taste from what I've been told, I guess I'll have to drive one to see if it's to my taste. It's a shame the interior looks so bland as well.

thats the JDM model you prefer. the UK got the quad lights.#
you either love revving the nuts off it, or you love diesels.

or you like to drive a car with some torque that doesnt sound like your killing it everytime and have power in all gears rather than having to stir the box too much. not saying its a bad car id love 1 as a thrashabout, but because you dont like thrashing a car to death to get the most out of it doesnt mean u like diesels.

[vz-r_dave]

havoc said:

rallycross said:

snotrag said:

Has any body driven one of these back to back against a GTi-6?

The 'teg seems like a natural progression from my current car.

It seems to take all the things I love about my current car, and improve on them slighlty. While having less of the small issues that I dont like about my current car.

have had Gti6 or rallye at same time as the Honda, similar straightline performance, the Pug might be a bit quicker in traffic due to its better low down power, handling wise the Pug is fun with lift oversteer etc but its not in the same league as the Honda, neither is the Pugs brakes, steering or gearchange....

Wife owns a GTi-6.

Rallycross is pretty close to my thoughts - engine is more tractable low-down, and is nicely throaty, but lacks the top-end punch and aggression...'teg would only be noticeably quicker above say 90mph.

Pug has more l-o-o, which makes it a little more fun to pratt around in, but 'teg more confidence inspiring above 9.5/10ths. Both have excellent steering IMHO, 'tegs brakes are more feelsome and a shade more potent, 'teg gearchange much better than the Pug's, but I reckon synchro is weaker and more likely to give rise to a big bill...

VFM wise, the GTi-6 is unbeatable, IMHO - superb fun, and still quick-enough today. But the 'teg is definitely a 1/2-step up, although because it's so focused it won't feel like it 75% of the time, IYSWIM!

i cant see why the GTI6 is being compared to the ITR, by the 60 mark the teg is already 1 second ahead.

And this whole low down grunt rubbish lol, an extra 200cc and atleast an extra 100kg's of weight makes the gti6 slower in that aspect as well

people tend to forget how heavy the GTI6 is lol

[R5GTTgaz]

Herman Toothrot said:

Only read bits of the thread but the DC2, comparing it to Corrados, 205's etc is insulting. I'm a rear drive fan myself, but I'd probably deviate to a DC2 at some point. They are in their own league when it come to front drive and that own league leaves E30 bmw's etc in its wake.

? Any one ever seen an E30 on a track day actually going fast? I drive in the novice group when ever I go out and the only E30s are always in novice and always the slowest bouncing round the bends.

What? An E30 M3? They wouldn't leave an M3 thats for sure.

[Alex]

R5GTTgaz said:

Herman Toothrot said:

Only read bits of the thread but the DC2, comparing it to Corrados, 205's etc is insulting. I'm a rear drive fan myself, but I'd probably deviate to a DC2 at some point. They are in their own league when it come to front drive and that own league leaves E30 bmw's etc in its wake.

? Any one ever seen an E30 on a track day actually going fast? I drive in the novice group when ever I go out and the only E30s are always in novice and always the slowest bouncing round the bends.

What? An E30 M3? They wouldn't leave an M3 thats for sure.

I hate to break it to you, but the DC2 is quite a bit quicker round a circuit than an E30 M3. I've encountered quite a few and not only is the Teg quicker in the corners, it's quicker down the straights too. I'd still love an E30 M3 though...

[theboymoon]

snotrag said:

The 'teg seems like a natural progression from my current car.

Think i have said to both you and Mr Havoc that its a DC2 for me next too!

Just. Need. to. save. some. money, ooooooooooooooooooh mate's orange 222 for sale, ARRRRRRRGGGHH!

[havoc]

vz-r_dave said:

i cant see why the GTI6 is being compared to the ITR, by the 60 mark the teg is already 1 second ahead.

And this whole low down grunt rubbish lol, an extra 200cc and atleast an extra 100kg's of weight makes the gti6 slower in that aspect as well

people tend to forget how heavy the GTI6 is lol

You've not driven either, have you?!? Certainly not both, or you'd not be saying that...

[cyberface]

havoc said:

E30 M3 or ITR?!? It's not like it's a hardship choice, is it?!?


Hell, TBH most of the cars on this thread so far are "ooh yes please" cars - VX220, S2000, Corrado VR6, even the (largely unfairly) maligned E36 M3! That the ITR is standing comparison against all of them (let alone appearing to come out on top) is true kudos...

Too damn right. I haven't had the chance to own a DC2 since my last FWD cars were the 205 GTi 1.9 (and a silly bespoke version with an Mi16 engine tuned to '200 bhp' got royally burned on that transaction), the Elan M100 and the Racing Puma. Been RWD since the FRP.

The Racing Puma would be left for dead by any Teg. It simply didn't have the power its chassis deserved. If Ford had put a 200 bhp engine in the FRP then it would be a Legend by now. I really seriously considered spending a lot of money getting someone to build me a one-off project with a base FRP and try to squeeze in a modded nasp Duratec to get 200-230 bhp and loads of revs - that would probably give the Teg a hard time but the gearbox wouldn't be up to Honda standards.

The M100 Elan was something else - again a good 50 bhp down on the Teg and probably a bit heavier, so no chance on track, but the handling of the Elan was something special. I assume the Teg is similar. The Elan had a soft turbo engine though, so no razor-sharp throttle response or any direct cerebral connection between the driver and the engine.... but the handling was awesome.

The 205... well I've had two... the standard 1.9 and the massively modded Mi16 on twin Weber 45s and all sorts of other stuff that never produced the goods the builder promised me. They were criminally fraudulent, simple as that. All that aside though, it was a bloody fast car (I put mine on A048s to be sure). Couldn't get past my cousin's Clio Cup on track at Hethel though, and he had Colways on. So I'd say that the Teg beats any 205, full stop. Even the best mods on a 205... and being able to drive it (I am a great fan of lift-off oversteer and have no problem with it - not to say I'm a driving God but I can deal with weight transfer, having had 3 993s and loved all of them!) - I reckon the 205 is simply too old a design to keep up with a Teg.

So it's definitely at the front of FWD cars. I even had a bizarre experience on a motorway with a DC2 Teg. I was driving a TVR Griff 500 and rolling along in the outside lane (Griffs get a bit noisy above 80 mph) and these two lads (2-up) in a white Teg steam up behind me. Over the noise of the Tiv's V8 I can hear their engine screaming, so I drop a gear and nail it. They're still there. I pulled over at around 145 on an empty road for them to inch past, engine sounding like a gas turbine, both grinning at me and putting their thumbs up. I subsequently found that my Griff had a knackered camshaft and was effectively only running on 7 cylinders, with a rolling road measurement of around 255 bhp (respected TVR tuners near Gatwick) - but my girlfriend and I weigh fk-all, and the Teg was 2-up with 2 blokes... weight wise should favour the TVR, but the Teg was easily capable of keeping up. It was obviously modded (I could hear it coming...) but that's damned impressive for its class.

The fact that people here are comparing the Teg to things like VX220 turbos etc. makes me want to try a DC2. I have a VXT and I simply don't believe that a normal-ish Teg could keep up with me round, say, Brands Indy. I don't want to start a pissing contest but if the DC2 handles as well as an Elise-variant and is faster on track... then I don't have to put up with the Lotus build quality problems and leaks and I should just buy a Teg as my track toy, no?

[gangzoom]

Swapped my Integra for a 350Z about a year ago..the Integra R might not be any faster than the 350Z (probably slower), but it is so much more entertaining to drive...and with the way their prices are falling at the moment am tempted to pick up another one just for the days when i feel like i need some thing more exciting the 350Z!!

[markSTI]

I'm lucky enough to own a 98 DC2 Type R with only 28k on the clock. It literally looks like its just come out of the show room. It's one of three weekend cars I own which include an EVO VI TME and a MY05 STI with the Prodrive performance pack. Now as you all the know the other two cars are regarded as great cars espcially the EVO VI TME, but its always the Type R keys I pick up first. It's simply an awesome machine and deserves it's PH hero status. Every time I drive it it makes the hairs on the back of my neck stand on end and I always look back it and smile when I park it. EVO said its one of the greatest sports cars ever made of any kind at any price and as involving as any Porsche RS!