RE: Porsche 911 GT2
Discussion
kradzero said:
so nobody cares to point out that the 997 Turbo actually has 480bhp and not 450 as per review? the difference is not as great in terms of output, but had this power been given to the Turbo it would probably, and im only speculating, accelerate to 60mph a tenth or two faster than the current gt2 due to its 4wd. still, what an amazing car.
Was just going to post the same thing.blindswelledrat said:
kradzero said:
but excitement aside, who'd take this over a carrera gt? 
Someone with a budget of 130k as opposed to 300k.But don't let semantics prevent you from trying to find fault with such a good car!!!
If I had the money to buy one (which I don't sadly 
), as brilliant a car as the 997 GT2 is, I would personally be tempted by a 993 GT2
(the car pictured is currently for sale in the PH classifieds http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/416948.htm
Can't say I am keen on the 997 GT2's styling, can't point my finger as to why.
For me the 993 is a much better looking car.
And it's a classic, which for me is a big bonus.
), as brilliant a car as the 997 GT2 is, I would personally be tempted by a 993 GT2(the car pictured is currently for sale in the PH classifieds http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/416948.htm
Can't say I am keen on the 997 GT2's styling, can't point my finger as to why.
For me the 993 is a much better looking car.
And it's a classic, which for me is a big bonus.
Edited by Magners P.H on Friday 9th May 13:51
Magners P.H said:
If I had the money to buy one (which I don't sadly ), as brilliant a car as the 997 GT2 is, I would personally be tempted by a 993 GT2
[pics removed to avoid clutter]
(the car pictured is currently for sale in the PH classifieds http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/416948.htm
Can't say I am keen on the 997 GT2's styling, can't point my finger as to why.
For me the 993 is a much better looking car.
And it's a classic, which for me is a big bonus.
Blimey - £123k?! For that money you could buy a nearly new 997 GT3 RS and a Caterham R500! As much as I understand and appreciate classic 911s, my choice would not be the 993 in that instance ), as brilliant a car as the 997 GT2 is, I would personally be tempted by a 993 GT2[pics removed to avoid clutter]
(the car pictured is currently for sale in the PH classifieds http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/416948.htm
Can't say I am keen on the 997 GT2's styling, can't point my finger as to why.
For me the 993 is a much better looking car.
And it's a classic, which for me is a big bonus.
Edited by Magners P.H on Friday 9th May 13:51
RobM77 said:
Blimey - £123k?! For that money you could buy a nearly new 997 GT3 RS and a Caterham R500! As much as I understand and appreciate classic 911s, my choice would not be the 993 in that instance
Well the 993 would be the choice if I was buying a Porsche for that moneyIf I wasn't buying a Porsche for that money I would be down the Lamborghini dealer (and on the phone to Tubi)
Edited by Magners P.H on Friday 9th May 14:24
Guys, what's the problem with someone saying they dislike the car? If I had £xxx,000 I wouldn't buy a Maybach just because I could.
If I had £130k, I would, however, have one of these Anyone seen the Autocar video where it murders the Corvette Z06? That Porsche have created a rear-engined, 2WD car with so much power that isn't a *complete* firey backwards-into-a-hedge-at-150mph death-machine and can actually be used is very impressive.
If I had £130k, I would, however, have one of these
Anyone seen the Autocar video where it murders the Corvette Z06? That Porsche have created a rear-engined, 2WD car with so much power that isn't a *complete* firey backwards-into-a-hedge-at-150mph death-machine and can actually be used is very impressive.I love this car! My boss had a 2002 GT2 it was mad and very very bad.
Steve Steve Steve Steve Steve Steve
STEVE (Sutcliffe) if you read this (creep creep) I do not live far from you and as I am my own boss and have lots of spare time for track days and surfing during the week, I would like to offer my services as an Autocar dogs body.
Whilst it may look like you have the best job in the world I know there are day to day areas that need to be sorted (logistics) and simple things like getting the cars ready to be photographed.... (cleaning et al)
Anyway, I am close by. I am not expecting to drive anything of course! I am a fairly normal bloke(!) who thinks if you don't ask you don't get.....
Steve, give me a chance!
Thanks Mat
Steve Steve Steve Steve Steve Steve
STEVE (Sutcliffe) if you read this (creep creep) I do not live far from you and as I am my own boss and have lots of spare time for track days and surfing during the week, I would like to offer my services as an Autocar dogs body.
Whilst it may look like you have the best job in the world I know there are day to day areas that need to be sorted (logistics) and simple things like getting the cars ready to be photographed.... (cleaning et al)
Anyway, I am close by. I am not expecting to drive anything of course! I am a fairly normal bloke(!) who thinks if you don't ask you don't get.....
Steve, give me a chance!
Thanks Mat
Magners P.H said:
RobM77 said:
Blimey - £123k?! For that money you could buy a nearly new 997 GT3 RS and a Caterham R500! As much as I understand and appreciate classic 911s, my choice would not be the 993 in that instance
Well the 993 would be the choice if I was buying a Porsche for that moneyIf I wasn't buying a Porsche for that money I would be down the Lamborghini dealer (and on the phone to Tubi)
Edited by Magners P.H on Friday 9th May 14:24
Fair enough Demand is why it costs that much, so my opinion is bound to be a minority one I noticed the other day that a decent 993 Turbo S costs as much as a brand new 997 Turbo
I'm not really surprised about the relative bargain it is against the F1. Lets not forget progress.
And the Ferrari 430 Scuderia is as fast around Fiorano as the Enzo.
And we hear the odd article comparing hot hatches against supercars from years gone by.
I think the Porsche is a great car, and posts some very good numbers. I wouldnt buy one though. The Ultima GTR will do 0-100 mph in 5.5 seconds, and blow its doors off for less than half the price. Or a third the price if you take the "build it yourself" option.
And the Ferrari 430 Scuderia is as fast around Fiorano as the Enzo.
And we hear the odd article comparing hot hatches against supercars from years gone by.
I think the Porsche is a great car, and posts some very good numbers. I wouldnt buy one though. The Ultima GTR will do 0-100 mph in 5.5 seconds, and blow its doors off for less than half the price. Or a third the price if you take the "build it yourself" option.
I recall in 02 i had a C32AMG.Which has to be just about the worst car i have ever owned. Brakes, trac control, seats, you name it it was crap.
Merc gave this guy a car to run and test.I recall he wrote along the line of.....what a great car. I sent him a email of my concerns.
One week later he turned up at a test track in his C32.After 3 laps he had to park up for the day, for all my reasons above.
Merc gave this guy a car to run and test.I recall he wrote along the line of.....what a great car. I sent him a email of my concerns.
One week later he turned up at a test track in his C32.After 3 laps he had to park up for the day, for all my reasons above.
big_rob_sydney said:
I'm not really surprised about the relative bargain it is against the F1. Lets not forget progress.
And the Ferrari 430 Scuderia is as fast around Fiorano as the Enzo.
And we hear the odd article comparing hot hatches against supercars from years gone by.
I think the Porsche is a great car, and posts some very good numbers. I wouldnt buy one though. The Ultima GTR will do 0-100 mph in 5.5 seconds, and blow its doors off for less than half the price. Or a third the price if you take the "build it yourself" option.
All very true, but let's not forget that the Mclaren F1 was a new design from the ground up, whereas the 911 is an evolution and benefits from Porsche's considerable experience with previous 911s, and of course the various incarnations of 997 it's based on. I'm fairly convinced that if the Mclaren F1 were built again today it would cost the same allowing for inflation, if not more. Did Mclaren make a profit on the F1? Plus, I don't think that the new GT2 is Mclaren F1 fast is it? The Mclaren F1 weighed only a gnat's whisker over a tonne and had 627bhp from a big capacity normally aspirated engine. Plus of course it seated three in complete comfort with their luggage.And the Ferrari 430 Scuderia is as fast around Fiorano as the Enzo.
And we hear the odd article comparing hot hatches against supercars from years gone by.
I think the Porsche is a great car, and posts some very good numbers. I wouldnt buy one though. The Ultima GTR will do 0-100 mph in 5.5 seconds, and blow its doors off for less than half the price. Or a third the price if you take the "build it yourself" option.
RobM77 said:
big_rob_sydney said:
I'm not really surprised about the relative bargain it is against the F1. Lets not forget progress.
And the Ferrari 430 Scuderia is as fast around Fiorano as the Enzo.
And we hear the odd article comparing hot hatches against supercars from years gone by.
I think the Porsche is a great car, and posts some very good numbers. I wouldnt buy one though. The Ultima GTR will do 0-100 mph in 5.5 seconds, and blow its doors off for less than half the price. Or a third the price if you take the "build it yourself" option.
All very true, but let's not forget that the Mclaren F1 was a new design from the ground up, whereas the 911 is an evolution and benefits from Porsche's considerable experience with previous 911s, and of course the various incarnations of 997 it's based on. I'm fairly convinced that if the Mclaren F1 were built again today it would cost the same allowing for inflation, if not more. Did Mclaren make a profit on the F1? Plus, I don't think that the new GT2 is Mclaren F1 fast is it? The Mclaren F1 weighed only a gnat's whisker over a tonne and had 627bhp from a big capacity normally aspirated engine. Plus of course it seated three in complete comfort with their luggage.And the Ferrari 430 Scuderia is as fast around Fiorano as the Enzo.
And we hear the odd article comparing hot hatches against supercars from years gone by.
I think the Porsche is a great car, and posts some very good numbers. I wouldnt buy one though. The Ultima GTR will do 0-100 mph in 5.5 seconds, and blow its doors off for less than half the price. Or a third the price if you take the "build it yourself" option.
I'll grant you that the F1 is a great car. And for the price, so it should be. But the amazing benchmark they set all those years ago has come and gone. Maybe when the lines are blurred about seating capacity, or luggage capacity, it makes the discussion interesting. But this is why I always refer back to raw performance stats. The stopwatch never lies.
big_rob_sydney said:
RobM77 said:
big_rob_sydney said:
I'm not really surprised about the relative bargain it is against the F1. Lets not forget progress.
And the Ferrari 430 Scuderia is as fast around Fiorano as the Enzo.
And we hear the odd article comparing hot hatches against supercars from years gone by.
I think the Porsche is a great car, and posts some very good numbers. I wouldnt buy one though. The Ultima GTR will do 0-100 mph in 5.5 seconds, and blow its doors off for less than half the price. Or a third the price if you take the "build it yourself" option.
All very true, but let's not forget that the Mclaren F1 was a new design from the ground up, whereas the 911 is an evolution and benefits from Porsche's considerable experience with previous 911s, and of course the various incarnations of 997 it's based on. I'm fairly convinced that if the Mclaren F1 were built again today it would cost the same allowing for inflation, if not more. Did Mclaren make a profit on the F1? Plus, I don't think that the new GT2 is Mclaren F1 fast is it? The Mclaren F1 weighed only a gnat's whisker over a tonne and had 627bhp from a big capacity normally aspirated engine. Plus of course it seated three in complete comfort with their luggage.And the Ferrari 430 Scuderia is as fast around Fiorano as the Enzo.
And we hear the odd article comparing hot hatches against supercars from years gone by.
I think the Porsche is a great car, and posts some very good numbers. I wouldnt buy one though. The Ultima GTR will do 0-100 mph in 5.5 seconds, and blow its doors off for less than half the price. Or a third the price if you take the "build it yourself" option.
I'll grant you that the F1 is a great car. And for the price, so it should be. But the amazing benchmark they set all those years ago has come and gone. Maybe when the lines are blurred about seating capacity, or luggage capacity, it makes the discussion interesting. But this is why I always refer back to raw performance stats. The stopwatch never lies.
For me, the Mclaren F1 is my favourite car for many reasons other than pure pace, which is why it remains my ultimate car even now. For pure speed there have always been Dauer 962s, tuned up F40s etc. There's even a guy in Japan with an F3000 car converted for the road! In some ways, creating racing cars is far easier than creating road cars. The Mclaren F1 though is an exquisitely crafted road car where everything is created to perfection. It's performance doesn't really feature in my mind when I dream of owning one.
I really can't see the point of this car if it's not a GT2 homolgation car? I had the pleasure of working on a number of 993 GT2's and they are an awe-inspiring piece of kit in road or race trim. But there really didn't seem to be a reason to buy a 996 or 997 GT2, a normal turbo is faster Point - Point, more manageable and comfy on the road and it's not as quick as a GT3 on the track? And for 130K you could buy a 1 year old Turbo and Brand New GT3.
I do like the car in a "it had to be done" kind of way, there just doesn't seem to be any reason to buy one?
I do like the car in a "it had to be done" kind of way, there just doesn't seem to be any reason to buy one?
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