Just something to see if it works. Mod on Duty!

[Lowtimer]

Helicopter123 said:

Quite like that as a barge but £17k for a 7 year old Merc? Still falling like a stone I suspect...

"17K for a 7 year old Merc?" You've forgotten how much a 560SEC used to fetch when it was only seven years old. And they're back beyond 17K again now.

Of course a high-spec ocean-going Mercedes coupe is still well above the bottom of its depreciation curve at only seven years old: surviving examples of almost every car barring the genuinely exotic stuff bottom out some point around the 15 year mark, plus or minus a year or three.

[Fox-]

Lowtimer said:

I thought about that car myself and wouldnt be even slightly bothered about heated seats or quickly-outdated factory sat nav, but came to the conclusion I wouldn't really want an F10/11 on 18" runflats without adaptive suspension.

I have had F10's on M Sport and non M Sport suspension and there is no massive ride quality difference between them. The F10 is far from an E90 - even on the RFT's the ride isn't exactly awful (Though better without the nasty RFT's).

[LeighW]

Helicopter123 said:

LeighW said:

These are looking great value for a car that was around £90k new. I know it's a coupe, but it's a barge of a coupe!



http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/m...

Quite like that as a barge but £17k for a 7 year old Merc? Still falling like a stone I suspect...

I hope you're right, I'm thinking of changing the Jag for a faster barge next spring, and these fit the bill nicely.

[Marty Funkhouser]

Helicopter123 said:

hornetrider said:

Wow. Be driven like royalty for the price of a Focus.







http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2016...

Feel like a Harley street doctor for £16.5k.

No depreciation costs but running costs of the biblical variety.

I approve.

Ludicrous running costs.

Get all your cash into a pile on your driveway and start shovelling it into a bonfire - would be a lose you less money.

[tali1]

Fox- said:

Lowtimer said:

I thought about that car myself and wouldnt be even slightly bothered about heated seats or quickly-outdated factory sat nav, but came to the conclusion I wouldn't really want an F10/11 on 18" runflats without adaptive suspension.

I have had F10's on M Sport and non M Sport suspension and there is no massive ride quality difference between them. The F10 is far from an E90 - even on the RFT's the ride isn't exactly awful (Though better without the nasty RFT's).

Heated seats or old sat nav should not bean issue.Think the Cinammon interior could be killing the sale(although i quite like it)

[Fox-]

tali1 said:

Heated seats or old sat nav should not bean issue.Think the Cinammon interior could be killing the sale(although i quite like it)

It has no Xenons either - it's a very poor spec car. The nav thing is a bigger problem than you'd think. The interior is designed around the full size 10.2" widescreen which does far more than simply offer satnav. Cars without it look wrong and are not as nice to interact with.

[Lowtimer]

Would prefer not to have xenons either, tbh. Crummy interim technology, neither simple / cheap like halogen bubs nor genuinely modern / efficient like LED.

[hornetrider]

Lowtimer said:

Would prefer not to have xenons either, tbh. Crummy interim technology, neither simple / cheap like halogen bubs nor genuinely modern / efficient like LED.

Huh?!

[Lowtimer]

Xenon lighting is an evolutionary dead end which will soon be gone. The honourable past is halogen, the future is other things, preduminantly laser / LED

http://www.osram.co.uk/osram_uk/news-and-knowledge...

Edited by Lowtimer on Tuesday 23 August 12:35

[tenfour]

LeighW said:

Helicopter123 said:

LeighW said:

These are looking great value for a car that was around £90k new. I know it's a coupe, but it's a barge of a coupe!



http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/m...

Quite like that as a barge but £17k for a 7 year old Merc? Still falling like a stone I suspect...

I hope you're right, I'm thinking of changing the Jag for a faster barge next spring, and these fit the bill nicely.

Needs to be the full fat 600, IMO.

That Bi-Turbo V12 is more of a biblical force, than a humble combustion engine.

[hornetrider]

Lowtimer said:

Xenon lighting is an evolutionary dead end which will soon be gone. The honourable past is halogen, the future is other things, preduminantly laser / LED

http://www.osram.co.uk/osram_uk/news-and-knowledge...

Edited by Lowtimer on Tuesday 23 August 12:35

But xenons st all over halogens. To say you'd rather halogens over xenons is, frankly, bizarre.

[ATM]

hornetrider said:

Lowtimer said:

Xenon lighting is an evolutionary dead end which will soon be gone. The honourable past is halogen, the future is other things, preduminantly laser / LED

http://www.osram.co.uk/osram_uk/news-and-knowledge...

Edited by Lowtimer on Tuesday 23 August 12:35

But xenons st all over halogens. To say you'd rather halogens over xenons is, frankly, bizarre.

Maybe its some form of retro love. Old cars had rubbish lights. This is the reality when driving old cars in the dark. Speed is dictated by one's ability to see.

[Teebs]

W00DY said:

First one of that generation that I've actually taken notice of. Looks great.

Ex Audi UK car judging by the number plate, colour, interior colour and spec. When I worked at Audi years ago, we got sent some real wacky "launch" cars that HO specced up.
We did the same with demo cars so we had working examples of different options, sunroofs etc

[Fox-]

Lowtimer said:

Would prefer not to have xenons either, tbh. Crummy interim technology, neither simple / cheap like halogen bubs nor genuinely modern / efficient like LED.

There is nothing preferable about the halogens on an F10. Poor light output, crap looking headlight units and no LED indicators.

[Register1]

Helicopter123 said:

Quite like that as a barge but £17k for a 7 year old Merc? Still falling like a stone I suspect...

When would cars like this be more in line with moderate depreciation, rather in free fall?

9 years old?
12 years old?

is there any sort of graph representation on the web, that folk have found?

R1

[BIRMA]

Not sure if anyone else uses my guide rules for buying Luxo Barges but I reckon to have a budget of between £10-£12K to buy the car, I generally keep £5K aside for running over 4 years.
I always buy one with the mindset that if a major breakdown occurs that's over my reserve fund I put it down to bad luck rather than judgement.

I then convince myself that it could be worse you could have bought a £20-£30K car and the same thing happen.

Just recently I've been liking a W12 Audi with a mega spec that's up for £30K but my Phaeton seems to be running well and well below budget as far as ongoing maintenance expenditure. I'm on my second year of ownership now so two more and I'll happily throw it away.

[Lowtimer]

Register1 said:

When would cars like this be more in line with moderate depreciation, rather in free fall?

9 years old?
12 years old?

is there any sort of graph representation on the web, that folk have found?

R1

What percentages of value loss per year are you calling "free fall" and "moderate"? If you don't define the terms it's hard to answer.

My rule of thumb is that once they are past three years and out of warranty, and if you are comparing like for like values (i.e. private sale vs private sale, not dealer sale price versus dealer trade-in price) most mass produced cars like this lose half their value every two and a half to three years until they hit the bottom. Providing they are kept nicely.

I'd estimate that for as long as it is kept in good order with everything working, this model will bottom out somewhere around the £4K to £5K mark, hang around at about that level for anything between five to 10 years, and then start gradually appreciating again. Of course if it goes seriously rusty or develops an expensive fault it will then most likely depreciate suddenly to scrap value.

[JZZ30]

To rich for the other thread, but I had to post this!
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VOLVO-780-BERTONE-1987-2...

[layercake]

BIRMA said:

There is a very high spec W12 one for sale for £30K which is a bit over budget, but considering every W12 Phaeton that comes up sells within a week I may look at the Audi W12 when it comes time to replace my Phaeton.

hi mate whats ur Phaeton like? whats the one to go for? anything to look out for?

cheers

[Blown2CV]

JZZ30 said:

To rich for the other thread, but I had to post this!
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VOLVO-780-BERTONE-1987-2...

v cool. Wonder if it will make the £9999 asking!