Just something to see if it works. Mod on Duty!

[Fox-]

tali1 said:

Heated seats or old sat nav should not bean issue.Think the Cinammon interior could be killing the sale(although i quite like it)

It has no Xenons either - it's a very poor spec car. The nav thing is a bigger problem than you'd think. The interior is designed around the full size 10.2" widescreen which does far more than simply offer satnav. Cars without it look wrong and are not as nice to interact with.

[Lowtimer]

Would prefer not to have xenons either, tbh. Crummy interim technology, neither simple / cheap like halogen bubs nor genuinely modern / efficient like LED.

[hornetrider]

Lowtimer said:

Would prefer not to have xenons either, tbh. Crummy interim technology, neither simple / cheap like halogen bubs nor genuinely modern / efficient like LED.

Huh?!

[Lowtimer]

Xenon lighting is an evolutionary dead end which will soon be gone. The honourable past is halogen, the future is other things, preduminantly laser / LED

http://www.osram.co.uk/osram_uk/news-and-knowledge...

Edited by Lowtimer on Tuesday 23 August 12:35

[tenfour]

LeighW said:

Helicopter123 said:

LeighW said:

These are looking great value for a car that was around £90k new. I know it's a coupe, but it's a barge of a coupe!



http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/m...

Quite like that as a barge but £17k for a 7 year old Merc? Still falling like a stone I suspect...

I hope you're right, I'm thinking of changing the Jag for a faster barge next spring, and these fit the bill nicely.

Needs to be the full fat 600, IMO.

That Bi-Turbo V12 is more of a biblical force, than a humble combustion engine.

[hornetrider]

Lowtimer said:

Xenon lighting is an evolutionary dead end which will soon be gone. The honourable past is halogen, the future is other things, preduminantly laser / LED

http://www.osram.co.uk/osram_uk/news-and-knowledge...

Edited by Lowtimer on Tuesday 23 August 12:35

But xenons st all over halogens. To say you'd rather halogens over xenons is, frankly, bizarre.

[ATM]

hornetrider said:

Lowtimer said:

Xenon lighting is an evolutionary dead end which will soon be gone. The honourable past is halogen, the future is other things, preduminantly laser / LED

http://www.osram.co.uk/osram_uk/news-and-knowledge...

Edited by Lowtimer on Tuesday 23 August 12:35

But xenons st all over halogens. To say you'd rather halogens over xenons is, frankly, bizarre.

Maybe its some form of retro love. Old cars had rubbish lights. This is the reality when driving old cars in the dark. Speed is dictated by one's ability to see.

[Teebs]

W00DY said:

First one of that generation that I've actually taken notice of. Looks great.

Ex Audi UK car judging by the number plate, colour, interior colour and spec. When I worked at Audi years ago, we got sent some real wacky "launch" cars that HO specced up.
We did the same with demo cars so we had working examples of different options, sunroofs etc

[Fox-]

Lowtimer said:

Would prefer not to have xenons either, tbh. Crummy interim technology, neither simple / cheap like halogen bubs nor genuinely modern / efficient like LED.

There is nothing preferable about the halogens on an F10. Poor light output, crap looking headlight units and no LED indicators.

[Register1]

Helicopter123 said:

Quite like that as a barge but £17k for a 7 year old Merc? Still falling like a stone I suspect...

When would cars like this be more in line with moderate depreciation, rather in free fall?

9 years old?
12 years old?

is there any sort of graph representation on the web, that folk have found?

R1

[BIRMA]

Not sure if anyone else uses my guide rules for buying Luxo Barges but I reckon to have a budget of between £10-£12K to buy the car, I generally keep £5K aside for running over 4 years.
I always buy one with the mindset that if a major breakdown occurs that's over my reserve fund I put it down to bad luck rather than judgement.

I then convince myself that it could be worse you could have bought a £20-£30K car and the same thing happen.

Just recently I've been liking a W12 Audi with a mega spec that's up for £30K but my Phaeton seems to be running well and well below budget as far as ongoing maintenance expenditure. I'm on my second year of ownership now so two more and I'll happily throw it away.

[Lowtimer]

Register1 said:

When would cars like this be more in line with moderate depreciation, rather in free fall?

9 years old?
12 years old?

is there any sort of graph representation on the web, that folk have found?

R1

What percentages of value loss per year are you calling "free fall" and "moderate"? If you don't define the terms it's hard to answer.

My rule of thumb is that once they are past three years and out of warranty, and if you are comparing like for like values (i.e. private sale vs private sale, not dealer sale price versus dealer trade-in price) most mass produced cars like this lose half their value every two and a half to three years until they hit the bottom. Providing they are kept nicely.

I'd estimate that for as long as it is kept in good order with everything working, this model will bottom out somewhere around the £4K to £5K mark, hang around at about that level for anything between five to 10 years, and then start gradually appreciating again. Of course if it goes seriously rusty or develops an expensive fault it will then most likely depreciate suddenly to scrap value.

[JZZ30]

To rich for the other thread, but I had to post this!
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VOLVO-780-BERTONE-1987-2...

[layercake]

BIRMA said:

There is a very high spec W12 one for sale for £30K which is a bit over budget, but considering every W12 Phaeton that comes up sells within a week I may look at the Audi W12 when it comes time to replace my Phaeton.

hi mate whats ur Phaeton like? whats the one to go for? anything to look out for?

cheers

[Blown2CV]

JZZ30 said:

To rich for the other thread, but I had to post this!
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VOLVO-780-BERTONE-1987-2...

v cool. Wonder if it will make the £9999 asking!

[mondayo]

That volvo is a lovely and interesting thing. Ten grand is a lot of money though, and on the basis LHD would bother me, wouldn't it put others off too?
I'd rather have something like a 635csi if I was spending that much on an old coupé but do appreciate how good it looks and it's uniqueness.

[BIRMA]

layercake said:

BIRMA said:

There is a very high spec W12 one for sale for £30K which is a bit over budget, but considering every W12 Phaeton that comes up sells within a week I may look at the Audi W12 when it comes time to replace my Phaeton.

hi mate whats ur Phaeton like? whats the one to go for? anything to look out for?

cheers

If you go through some of the older threads about the Phaeton on here via the search facility you can probably pick up all there is to know about these cars.

Those of us who have them on the whole rate them very highly, personally I like the big engined models my V10 5 litre twin turbo diesel is a cracker and there is a fairly rare V8 and the monster W12 too. But the V6 3 litre diesel is very popular and seems to be just as good a gamble.

As with all bargain Luxo Barges that were a fortune new and can now be bought for sensible money, the catch can be running costs and if you are very unlucky they can be ruinous.

The Phaeton does have the odd electrical problem and it's fair to say that one of the two batteries can be the cause of that. On the big engined ones silly things like a failed water pump can require an engine out job which will be ruinous but I have yet to hear of anyone with a problem. If you look at one which has the auto gearbox indicator lit up in a block it could be trouble or in the case of mine a broken electrical circuit at the bottom of the shift lever, either way be very cautious. The boot lifting system has a mind of its own and at its worst can cause problems.

The best thing to do is find an independent to look after the car who knows something about real mechanics as I've found VW dealers expensive and not that good. Buy one with a full history that can be verified and you won't go far wrong.
So far in two years I've replaced corroded PAS pipes (£400) and my aircon has just stopped working but I know a good local air-con guy so not sure what that's going to cost.

My philosophy for what its worth is I buy one at £10-12K if you are lucky run it for 4 years then throw it away or sell as spares, if it goes wrong in a big way you f****d up but haven't lost a fortune.

Edited by BIRMA on Thursday 8th September 08:00

Edited by BIRMA on Thursday 8th September 08:01

Edited by BIRMA on Thursday 8th September 08:05

Edited by BIRMA on Thursday 8th September 19:30

[Register1]

Lowtimer said:

Register1 said:

When would cars like this be more in line with moderate depreciation, rather in free fall?

9 years old?
12 years old?

is there any sort of graph representation on the web, that folk have found?

R1

What percentages of value loss per year are you calling "free fall" and "moderate"? If you don't define the terms it's hard to answer.

My rule of thumb is that once they are past three years and out of warranty, and if you are comparing like for like values (i.e. private sale vs private sale, not dealer sale price versus dealer trade-in price) most mass produced cars like this lose half their value every two and a half to three years until they hit the bottom. Providing they are kept nicely.

I'd estimate that for as long as it is kept in good order with everything working, this model will bottom out somewhere around the £4K to £5K mark, hang around at about that level for anything between five to 10 years, and then start gradually appreciating again. Of course if it goes seriously rusty or develops an expensive fault it will then most likely depreciate suddenly to scrap value.

Thanks

Sort of makes sense.

So do you mean, when a car is 3 years old, that price, lets say private sale price is 10,000 for example.
So in 30 months to 36 months you would expect that value to be now down to 5,000 ?
Then at 60 months to 72 months, it would be worth just 2,500 ?

Am I right in your reckoning?

Any one else have any suggestions?

Thanks

R1

[ATM]

550i Touring

Reg Date 17/03/2009
130,850 Miles
£12,995.00

Carbon Black Metallic Paint,
Black Dakota Leather,
Sports Auto Transmission,
Detachable Towbar,
Rear Side Airbags,
USB Audio,
Media Pack with Professional Navigation and Bluetooth Telephone,
Logic 7 Hi-Fi System,
Visibility Pack with Adaptive Xenon Headlamps,
Sports Seats with Electric Adjustment and Memory Function,
Heated Seats,
Electric Folding Mirrors,
Lane departure Warning System,

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/262587990706

[Lowtimer]

Register1 said:

So do you mean, when a car is 3 years old, that price, lets say private sale price is 10,000 for example.
So in 30 months to 36 months you would expect that value to be now down to 5,000 ?
Then at 60 months to 72 months, it would be worth just 2,500 ?

Am I right in your reckoning?

Yep, that's a good rule of thumb for mainstream car depreciation providing the thing is kept nice, properly maintained and with average mileage. Until it hits bottom, which varies from model to model, and bumps along there for a decade or so, during which 95% of them are scrapped. After that, the survivors may begin a gentle appreciation if it's a type of car for which some section of the public has a residual sentimental attachment.