RE: PH Heroes: Lancia Delta Integrale
Discussion
moleamol said:
vino 187 said:
ASF72 said:
im telling you an fq360 is a much much much faster car to any speed.
look it up on google. integrale 0-100 17.5secs evofq360 0-100 10 secs. thats a big margin.
;)
Hi, how can you compare a 360bhp model Mitsi against a 210/215bhp Lancia Evo, now get a same BHP Lancia and it maybe a different story, it will definatley be a scary ride in a grale rather than the Evo, the Lancia is def a more involved drive as there are no computers saving you everytime a corner comes, Lancia is much more of a drivers car and the earlier Grale's with NO ABS are much more of a challenge.......i know which i would have everytime.look it up on google. integrale 0-100 17.5secs evofq360 0-100 10 secs. thats a big margin.
;)
Edited by vino 187 on Tuesday 3rd June 13:25
or so and they get very very fast. Mine was easily under 10seconds to 100.vino 187 said:
superkartracer said:
Standard Mit Evo 5/6/7/8/9 etc would not lose one down country lanes, these cars are even faster in the wet! I'm talking over 100mph not 60 by the way, pushing any of the cars beyond this would prob end up in death.
Torsion V Viscous diffs are also far better for feel, always felt a slight delay with the Mit Evo, the Lanica giving instant feedback.
One was boring to drive, the other is a racing car.
im telling you an fq360 is a much much much faster car to any speed.Torsion V Viscous diffs are also far better for feel, always felt a slight delay with the Mit Evo, the Lanica giving instant feedback.
One was boring to drive, the other is a racing car.
Edited by superkartracer on Friday 30th May 20:24
look it up on google. integrale 0-100 17.5secs evofq360 0-100 10 secs. thats a big margin.
;)
Edited by vino 187 on Tuesday 3rd June 13:25
How about an 550bhp TM? that still does not leave a Lanica down wet country lanes.
Have you driven both cars? 0-60? 0-100?...... means nothing. In a straight line it would be pissed on, but that is not driving.
You can try and beat me if you fancy it? I'll follow you and watch you slide off into the trees :-)
FQ360's...
Edited by superkartracer on Wednesday 4th June 00:17
TBH...you could stick a monkey in a Mitsi and it would still be quick because its not the person driving it really just lots of electronics helping you along the way, dont get me wrong i still quite like Evo's (well the evo 6) but it will never be a Grale even when iv only got 8v's too and a pretty quick one at that.
Psimpson7 said:
moleamol said:
vino 187 said:
ASF72 said:
im telling you an fq360 is a much much much faster car to any speed.
look it up on google. integrale 0-100 17.5secs evofq360 0-100 10 secs. thats a big margin.
;)
Hi, how can you compare a 360bhp model Mitsi against a 210/215bhp Lancia Evo, now get a same BHP Lancia and it maybe a different story, it will definatley be a scary ride in a grale rather than the Evo, the Lancia is def a more involved drive as there are no computers saving you everytime a corner comes, Lancia is much more of a drivers car and the earlier Grale's with NO ABS are much more of a challenge.......i know which i would have everytime.look it up on google. integrale 0-100 17.5secs evofq360 0-100 10 secs. thats a big margin.
;)
Edited by vino 187 on Tuesday 3rd June 13:25
or so and they get very very fast. Mine was easily under 10seconds to 100.
Deltona said:
You're missing the point!!!! It's not all about 0-60,0-100 & top speed...
...it's the feedback you get with the grale, you feel part of the car.
Which you don't get in the Jap cars, they are computer controlled, not really driver involved is it?
Thats quite a (rather inaccurate) sweeping generalisation there. I've never had the pleasure of driving an Integrale to compare (they're very rare and expensive in NZ) but theres certainly no lack of feel or involvement from a classic Impreza STi-RA. 280bhp/1200kg, driver-adjustable centre difflock (not computer controlled) 64R:36F static torque split when open, fairly agressive rear lsd (not viscous), no ABS......it's the feedback you get with the grale, you feel part of the car.
Which you don't get in the Jap cars, they are computer controlled, not really driver involved is it?
How about the 1000 BHP Lancia Delta Integrale ripping V8 cars apart on youtube?
So where do you draw the line?
Walkers (of Walkers Garage, Delta experts) say that a slightly modified Delta (250BHP) will make a great difference in speed, acceleration and, above all, torque on the standard car...
Do you want Lancia Delta Integrale heaven?
Here it is:
http://www.arcesezone.it/
This is an Italian company that specialises in Deltas, have a look at their stock. They have proper ex-works cars too with 400+ horses...
A Delta used by World Champion Miki Biasion (301BHP) for 130,000 Euros and one that belonged to Umberto Agnelli (301BHP) Abarth for 185,000 Euros.
enjoy
So where do you draw the line?
Walkers (of Walkers Garage, Delta experts) say that a slightly modified Delta (250BHP) will make a great difference in speed, acceleration and, above all, torque on the standard car...
Do you want Lancia Delta Integrale heaven?
Here it is:
http://www.arcesezone.it/
This is an Italian company that specialises in Deltas, have a look at their stock. They have proper ex-works cars too with 400+ horses...
A Delta used by World Champion Miki Biasion (301BHP) for 130,000 Euros and one that belonged to Umberto Agnelli (301BHP) Abarth for 185,000 Euros.
enjoy
Edited by DeltaEvo2 on Wednesday 4th June 10:28
Psimpson7 said:
moleamol said:
vino 187 said:
ASF72 said:
im telling you an fq360 is a much much much faster car to any speed.
look it up on google. integrale 0-100 17.5secs evofq360 0-100 10 secs. thats a big margin.
;)
Hi, how can you compare a 360bhp model Mitsi against a 210/215bhp Lancia Evo, now get a same BHP Lancia and it maybe a different story, it will definatley be a scary ride in a grale rather than the Evo, the Lancia is def a more involved drive as there are no computers saving you everytime a corner comes, Lancia is much more of a drivers car and the earlier Grale's with NO ABS are much more of a challenge.......i know which i would have everytime.look it up on google. integrale 0-100 17.5secs evofq360 0-100 10 secs. thats a big margin.
;)
Edited by vino 187 on Tuesday 3rd June 13:25
or so and they get very very fast. Mine was easily under 10seconds to 100.no actually i dont but a friend of mine does and all i was saying was that i know it would piss on a standard integrale because another friend of mine has one of those too. and im not slating the integrale because i love that too was just commenting on the guy that said the integrale would keep up in any conditions. it just doesnt. probably because it has 150bhp less. bloody hell its simple
GravelBen said:
Deltona said:
You're missing the point!!!! It's not all about 0-60,0-100 & top speed...
...it's the feedback you get with the grale, you feel part of the car.
Which you don't get in the Jap cars, they are computer controlled, not really driver involved is it?
Thats quite a (rather inaccurate) sweeping generalisation there. I've never had the pleasure of driving an Integrale to compare (they're very rare and expensive in NZ) but theres certainly no lack of feel or involvement from a classic Impreza STi-RA. 280bhp/1200kg, driver-adjustable centre difflock (not computer controlled) 64R:36F static torque split when open, fairly agressive rear lsd (not viscous), no ABS......it's the feedback you get with the grale, you feel part of the car.
Which you don't get in the Jap cars, they are computer controlled, not really driver involved is it?
vino 187 said:
no actually i dont but a friend of mine does and all i was saying was that i know it would piss on a standard integrale because another friend of mine has one of those too. and im not slating the integrale because i love that too was just commenting on the guy that said the integrale would keep up in any conditions. it just doesnt. probably because it has 150bhp less. bloody hell its simple
Very true......vino 187 said:
no actually i dont but a friend of mine does and all i was saying was that i know it would piss on a standard integrale because another friend of mine has one of those too. and im not slating the integrale because i love that too was just commenting on the guy that said the integrale would keep up in any conditions. it just doesnt. probably because it has 150bhp less. bloody hell its simple
I'm with you to a degree...although it does depend on where you draw the line at standard mitsi which is what skr referred to. Is the FQ standard? DrTre said:
vino 187 said:
no actually i dont but a friend of mine does and all i was saying was that i know it would piss on a standard integrale because another friend of mine has one of those too. and im not slating the integrale because i love that too was just commenting on the guy that said the integrale would keep up in any conditions. it just doesnt. probably because it has 150bhp less. bloody hell its simple
I'm with you to a degree...although it does depend on where you draw the line at standard mitsi which is what skr referred to. Is the FQ standard? vino 187 said:
yes its standard 366bhp from the showroom and im just saying a 210bhp integrale or indeed any other car cant compete with that unless it weighs as much as a toothpick and an itegrale does not.
No i realise exactly what it is, it's just whether skr was classing it as a "standard" mitsi. Personally I think it's stretching the definition a bit.DrTre said:
vino 187 said:
yes its standard 366bhp from the showroom and im just saying a 210bhp integrale or indeed any other car cant compete with that unless it weighs as much as a toothpick and an itegrale does not.
No i realise exactly what it is, it's just whether skr was classing it as a "standard" mitsi. Personally I think it's stretching the definition a bit.no, he said standard
superkartracer said:
Standard Mit Evo 5/6/7/8/9 etc would not lose one down country lanes
As I said, personally I think MR is stretching the definition of "standard" a bit and just an inhouse tuned version of the standard car. We can agree to disagree, and i realise I'm splitting hairs a bit.Edited by DrTre on Wednesday 4th June 13:01
Look....
I've owned both and driven them to death, and own racing cars and an a racing driving so can drive ok :-), a standard Evo would not leave a standard lancia, for a start the standard brakes would fail way before the Lancia, thus giving me an adv over the Evo right off that bat, that is just one point.
I've a racing machine that has only 50hp that would make a an Evo seem like a bus..
I've owned both and driven them to death, and own racing cars and an a racing driving so can drive ok :-), a standard Evo would not leave a standard lancia, for a start the standard brakes would fail way before the Lancia, thus giving me an adv over the Evo right off that bat, that is just one point.
I've a racing machine that has only 50hp that would make a an Evo seem like a bus..
Edited by superkartracer on Wednesday 4th June 13:02
DrTre said:
no, he said standard
its not an mr its just an fq as the only difference is some extra hks add ons but it is a standard carso what is standard in your definition? howsabout a 1.8 lancer non turbo against a 1.6 delta?superkartracer said:
Standard Mit Evo 5/6/7/8/9 etc would not lose one down country lanes
As I said, personally I think MR is stretching the definition of "standard" a bit and just an inhouse tuned version of the standard car. We can agree to disagree, and i realise I'm splitting hairs a bit.Edited by DrTre on Wednesday 4th June 13:01
superkartracer said:
Look....
I've owned both and driven them to death, and own racing cars and an a racing driving so can drive ok :-), a standard Evo would not leave a standard lancia, for a start the standard brakes would fail way before the Lancia, thus giving me an adv over the Evo right off that bat, that is just one point.
I've a racing machine that has only 50hp that would make a an Evo seem like a bus..
u must be stupid? u think a car that weighs ony a 100kg or so more with over 150bhp more would be slower? and i quoted the o-100 times as being 10 secs to 17secs, and the standard brembo brakes arent any good? what evo did you have? a prehistoric one? where does your argument stand?I've owned both and driven them to death, and own racing cars and an a racing driving so can drive ok :-), a standard Evo would not leave a standard lancia, for a start the standard brakes would fail way before the Lancia, thus giving me an adv over the Evo right off that bat, that is just one point.
I've a racing machine that has only 50hp that would make a an Evo seem like a bus..
Edited by superkartracer on Wednesday 4th June 13:02
vino 187 said:
its not an mr its just an fq as the only difference is some extra hks add ons but it is a standard carso what is standard in your definition? howsabout a 1.8 lancer non turbo against a 1.6 delta?
Haven't a clue about the ins and outs of the labyrinthine naming of Mitsubishi cars. Always thought it was Mitsubishi Evo FQ360 MR (or MR FQ360, whichever) and I'm not really fussed if it's not.Having said that a quick read around on them suggests it's not "just some hks addons".
I'd draw the line at something being considered standard when it's been pretty comprehensively breathed upon by the inhouse tuners for a market specific model. You don't agree and that's fine, as I said I'm probably splitting hairs but that was my interpretation of what skr said, rightly or wrongly.
Edited by DrTre on Wednesday 4th June 13:22
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