RE: PH Heroes: Lancia Delta Integrale
Discussion
The FQs are a UK only version (I know you know this)... they are not factory standard, but modified by the importers and then sold on. Standard spec is 280hp I believe, so the FQ 360 offers another 80 brake.
If the same business model had been applied to integrales, the importers would have taken the standard 215hp and offered it with upto 300hp. Bear in mind the 'grale is over 100kg lighter than the Evo.
IMO a 300hp 'grale will keep any current Evo honest on British A / B roads. Mine is off the road at the moment, but with 260ish had no problem staying with an Evo 8 FQ340 on anything other than a motorway.
Nevertheless as others have said, it's not about the speed, but the feel and purpose of the car. Why does the bonnet hinge forwards? Easier access for the rally mechanics. Why yellow dials with reverse sweep needles? Easier for drivers to read at night and "pushing on" speeds etc etc.
If the same business model had been applied to integrales, the importers would have taken the standard 215hp and offered it with upto 300hp. Bear in mind the 'grale is over 100kg lighter than the Evo.
IMO a 300hp 'grale will keep any current Evo honest on British A / B roads. Mine is off the road at the moment, but with 260ish had no problem staying with an Evo 8 FQ340 on anything other than a motorway.
Nevertheless as others have said, it's not about the speed, but the feel and purpose of the car. Why does the bonnet hinge forwards? Easier access for the rally mechanics. Why yellow dials with reverse sweep needles? Easier for drivers to read at night and "pushing on" speeds etc etc.
DrTre said:
vino 187 said:
its not an mr its just an fq as the only difference is some extra hks add ons but it is a standard carso what is standard in your definition? howsabout a 1.8 lancer non turbo against a 1.6 delta?
Haven't a clue about the ins and outs of the labyrinthine naming of Mitsubishi cars. Always thought it was Mitsubishi Evo FQ360 MR (or MR FQ360, whichever) and I'm not really fussed if it's not.Having said that a quick read around on them suggests it's not "just some hks addons".
I'd draw the line at something being considered standard when it's been pretty comprehensively breathed upon by the inhouse tuners for a market specific model. You don't agree and that's fine, as I said I'm probably splitting hairs but that was my interpretation of what skr said, rightly or wrongly.
Edited by DrTre on Wednesday 4th June 13:22
Mind you, on that spec i just pulled up it's for the latest one isn't it?
Perhaps the older ones were just HKS bolt ons. Dunno.
Still, I refer you to WTFWTF post who said what I wanted to say miles better than I could
ETA AMG/M cars different kettle of fish for the reason WTFWTF detailed.
Perhaps the older ones were just HKS bolt ons. Dunno.
Still, I refer you to WTFWTF post who said what I wanted to say miles better than I could
ETA AMG/M cars different kettle of fish for the reason WTFWTF detailed.
Edited by DrTre on Wednesday 4th June 13:32
[quote=WTFWT?!]The FQs are a UK only version (I know you know this)... they are not factory standard, but modified by the importers and then sold on. Standard spec is 280hp I believe, so the FQ 360 offers another 80 brake.
If the same business model had been applied to integrales, the importers would have taken the standard 215hp and offered it with upto 300hp. Bear in mind the 'grale is over 100kg lighter than the Evo.
IMO a 300hp 'grale will keep any current Evo honest on British A / B roads. Mine is off the road at the moment, but with 260ish had no problem staying with an Evo 8 FQ340 on anything other than a motorway.
Nevertheless as others have said, it's not about the speed, but the feel and purpose of the car. Why does the bonnet hinge forwards? Easier access for the rally mechanics. Why yellow dials with reverse sweep needles? Easier for drivers to read at night and "pushing on" speeds etc etc.
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look if it comes from mitsubishi uk with an owners manual saying fq360 and a brochure all about it and a price list and warranty it is a standard car. ask mitsubishi and they will say it is standard regardless of what they do to it as you are buying a brand new car from a maindealer, when you insure it you insure it as a standard car, "they ask any modifications sir?" and you say "no completely standard". thats how it is.
If the same business model had been applied to integrales, the importers would have taken the standard 215hp and offered it with upto 300hp. Bear in mind the 'grale is over 100kg lighter than the Evo.
IMO a 300hp 'grale will keep any current Evo honest on British A / B roads. Mine is off the road at the moment, but with 260ish had no problem staying with an Evo 8 FQ340 on anything other than a motorway.
Nevertheless as others have said, it's not about the speed, but the feel and purpose of the car. Why does the bonnet hinge forwards? Easier access for the rally mechanics. Why yellow dials with reverse sweep needles? Easier for drivers to read at night and "pushing on" speeds etc etc.
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look if it comes from mitsubishi uk with an owners manual saying fq360 and a brochure all about it and a price list and warranty it is a standard car. ask mitsubishi and they will say it is standard regardless of what they do to it as you are buying a brand new car from a maindealer, when you insure it you insure it as a standard car, "they ask any modifications sir?" and you say "no completely standard". thats how it is.
vino 187 said:
look if it comes from mitsubishi uk with an owners manual saying fq360 and a brochure all about it and a price list and warranty it is a standard car. ask mitsubishi UK and they will say it is standard regardless of what they do to it as you are buying a brand new car from a maindealer, when you insure it you insure it as a standard car, "they ask any modifications sir?" and you say "no completely standard". thats how it is.
EFA. It's not built in the UK. It's not how it left the factory. It was like that when i got it, doesn't mean it's 'standard'.If you buy a Roush 720ME Ford GT, it says Roush 720ME on the V5. Is it a standard Ford GT?
vino 187 said:
superkartracer said:
Look....
I've owned both and driven them to death, and own racing cars and an a racing driving so can drive ok :-), a standard Evo would not leave a standard lancia, for a start the standard brakes would fail way before the Lancia, thus giving me an adv over the Evo right off that bat, that is just one point.
I've a racing machine that has only 50hp that would make a an Evo seem like a bus..
u must be stupid? u think a car that weighs ony a 100kg or so more with over 150bhp more would be slower? and i quoted the o-100 times as being 10 secs to 17secs, and the standard brembo brakes arent any good? what evo did you have? a prehistoric one? where does your argument stand?I've owned both and driven them to death, and own racing cars and an a racing driving so can drive ok :-), a standard Evo would not leave a standard lancia, for a start the standard brakes would fail way before the Lancia, thus giving me an adv over the Evo right off that bat, that is just one point.
I've a racing machine that has only 50hp that would make a an Evo seem like a bus..
Edited by superkartracer on Wednesday 4th June 13:02
150bhp more than what?? 80bhp at best.... standard Evo is 0-100 in 13 seconds not 10.. and again means F All.
SATNDARD EVO 5/6 WAS AROUND 270 HP, ABOUT 50 MORE THAN A LANICA EVO 1/2 FFS
What car do you drive then Sir?
Explain why the standard *Brembos* are not crap? have you ever driven one?
No thought not, moving on...
Edited by superkartracer on Wednesday 4th June 13:52
Look I'm really not arsed about this. I took skr to mean one thing, you took it to mean another that's all this comes down to and that's fine and dandy.
Standard to me means the Evo model. The one sold as a Mitsubishi Evo 9/10/11 whatever, not some derivative of it that uprates it beyond that spec. You don't and that's cool.
Using the M3 as an example, were someone to say to me "standard M3" I would not take them to be including the CSL. Only the standard one. Is the CSL a fully sanctioned BMW model? of course it is...is it the standard M3...demonstrably not.
Really only skr knows what he meant.
Standard to me means the Evo model. The one sold as a Mitsubishi Evo 9/10/11 whatever, not some derivative of it that uprates it beyond that spec. You don't and that's cool.
Using the M3 as an example, were someone to say to me "standard M3" I would not take them to be including the CSL. Only the standard one. Is the CSL a fully sanctioned BMW model? of course it is...is it the standard M3...demonstrably not.
Really only skr knows what he meant.
vino 187 said:
Psimpson7 said:
moleamol said:
vino 187 said:
ASF72 said:
im telling you an fq360 is a much much much faster car to any speed.
look it up on google. integrale 0-100 17.5secs evofq360 0-100 10 secs. thats a big margin.
;)
Hi, how can you compare a 360bhp model Mitsi against a 210/215bhp Lancia Evo, now get a same BHP Lancia and it maybe a different story, it will definatley be a scary ride in a grale rather than the Evo, the Lancia is def a more involved drive as there are no computers saving you everytime a corner comes, Lancia is much more of a drivers car and the earlier Grale's with NO ABS are much more of a challenge.......i know which i would have everytime.look it up on google. integrale 0-100 17.5secs evofq360 0-100 10 secs. thats a big margin.
;)
Edited by vino 187 on Tuesday 3rd June 13:25
or so and they get very very fast. Mine was easily under 10seconds to 100.vino 187 said:
yes i have driven one and the brakes are amazing as i said my friend has one and it it much faster than my other mates integrale evo like i said which i also love but really ive had enough of putting my point no sorry facts across,, so you have fun.
You think they are amazing? * the standard rubber disc's known to be complete wank, hence you change them for discs and bells, AP etc* then i'm afraid the conversation ends here as you are clueless, and would prob not understand why the Grale is rated 4th as the best car ever, from a drivers point of view.Love etc
SKR
Re the whole Jap stuff is not involving, my celica has no electronic driver aids bar a very basic ABS set up, no trick diffs, no yaw control etc, and is a fantastically responsive tool. Not straight out the box, but once fitted with sensible upgrades the rally car within is very much alive. Having had a very entertaining drive in the celica on a B road following a hard charging Integrale 16v, there was nothing in it, and he had a bit less power than me ( we chatted for a while at a petrol station, he had 240bhp, vs my 260bhp). Maybe a mega bhp Scooby or Evo would have been faster, but I am 100% sure that the Lancia driver and myself had the biggest grins on our faces.
superkartracer said:
vino 187 said:
yes i have driven one and the brakes are amazing as i said my friend has one and it it much faster than my other mates integrale evo like i said which i also love but really ive had enough of putting my point no sorry facts across,, so you have fun.
You think they are amazing? * the standard rubber disc's known to be complete wank, hence you change them for discs and bells, AP etc* then i'm afraid the conversation ends here as you are clueless, and would prob not understand why the Grale is rated 4th as the best car ever, from a drivers point of view.Love etc
SKR
and yes an fq360 is standard. thats why insurance companies ask u say yes its standard. ask mitsubish u absolute moron. go on make the call. some people are retarded and you are 2 of them.
Edited by vino 187 on Wednesday 4th June 14:13
superkartracer said:
Who do you guys use for servicing anyhow?
John W was awesome to deal with! really knows his cars but at a price :-).
Looking to get another maybe the end of year
I do all my own so i cant comment, mine is not like it was from factory, its shedded a few nuts and bolts since then, things have been moved about to simplify things.John W was awesome to deal with! really knows his cars but at a price :-).
Looking to get another maybe the end of year
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Cackle ;-)
What a tit
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Cackle ;-)
What a tit
Edited by superkartracer on Wednesday 4th June 14:25
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