RE: No Congestion Charge Increase

[pits]

im slowly falling more and more in love with this man, seems to be the only person with some common sense

[TravelsVeryRapid]

I find it all very disappointing. When the congestion charge was first introduced the Conservatives said that if they got in they would abolish it. All that seems to have been forgotten now.

[AngryS3Owner]

cowellsj said:

Porsche contested the increase and Andy Goss, managing director of Porsche Cars Great Britain said: "We were always confident that our legal case was right and that we would win in the end"

Yeah, but if Ken was still in wouldn't they still be fighting? They haven't won, they have just been fortunate because we now have a new Mayor who has a different stance.

I take it that means you didn't read the letter from Porsche posted above then, they won their case, they wouldn't just be paid costs for fun!

[hornet]

Strange how when the science supports the green argument, we're told "the debate is settled", yet when it doesn't, as in the case of the Congestion Charge research, it's roundly ignored. I applaud Boris for this, if only because it means the Congestion Charge remains just that, rather than a stealth eco-tax.

Now, how about dismantling the LEZ?

[anonymous-user]

You have to hand it to Porsche - this has turned out to be a perfect PR exercise. The decision to hand the costs award to charity is to be applauded as they could quite happily have said "thank you very much, it's cost us nothing now".

The only bad thing about Boris becoming Mayor is that he's not my MP any longer.

[Mar10]

TravelsVeryRapid said:

I find it all very disappointing. When the congestion charge was first introduced the Conservatives said that if they got in they would abolish it. All that seems to have been forgotten now.

One thing at a time my friend, one thing at a time....

[RFSA Burfom]

Fiatfan said:

Boris is a complete fool. There was an opportunity to encourage small economical more environmentally friendly cars but he chose to bow to Porsche and benefit the users of gas guzzling cars.

I love peformance cars in the right environment but central London is not the right place. Furthermore this move will just encourage the housewives to drive Range Rovers and Cayennes into the zone.

At the very least sub 120g/km vehicles should have been encouraged over heavy poluting vehicles.

I have a suggestion for you, fk off!

[DamoLLb]

I may have called Borris a blithering idiot, however i now take it back- I doubted him and I was wrong! He has actually delivered a promise, lets see what he can do next- Good on borris!

Edited by DamoLLb on Wednesday 9th July 09:37

[im]

Gazboy said:

RFSA Burfom said:

Fiatfan said:

Boris is a complete fool. There was an opportunity to encourage small economical more environmentally friendly cars but he chose to bow to Porsche and benefit the users of gas guzzling cars.

I love peformance cars in the right environment but central London is not the right place. Furthermore this move will just encourage the housewives to drive Range Rovers and Cayennes into the zone.

At the very least sub 120g/km vehicles should have been encouraged over heavy poluting vehicles.

I have a suggestion for you, fk off!

I have a suggestion for you, grow up.

[Fiatfan]

Apache said:

Fiatfan said:

Boris is a complete fool.

He's Mayor of London, what do you do?

George Bush is president of USA, what's your point?????

Fiatfan said:

There was an opportunity to encourage small economical more environmentally friendly cars but he chose to bow to Porsche and benefit the users of gas guzzling cars.

I love peformance cars in the right environment but central London is not the right place. Furthermore this move will just encourage the housewives to drive Range Rovers and Cayennes into the zone.

At the very least sub 120g/km vehicles should have been encouraged over heavy poluting vehicles.

Where does the expression 'Congestion Charge' fit into that rant?

[mantra]

Oh dear, I thought we got rid of the leftie trolls when ken was kicked out. before people start a rant on the merits of enviromentally friendly motoring .. could they please answer why those living, working and travelling through a few postcodes in central london should pay an extortionate tax so that enviromentalists and jumped up local politicians can claim a propaganda victory?

If you really care about the enviroment then please go protest for increased fuel duty, or for reducing the waste the prolifigates Uk government.

This whole discussion is so last year, and has been LOST. Labour is about to get kicked out of power, ever wonder why? Climate Change is fight to maintain our quality of life not a fight for the survival of teh speciies.

And as for sgging of George Bush, at least he has realised that any CO2 limits are worthless unless you get China and India involved.

[Apache]

Fiatfan said:

Apache said:

Fiatfan said:

Boris is a complete fool.

He's Mayor of London, what do you do?

George Bush is president of USA, what's your point?????

Fiatfan said:

There was an opportunity to encourage small economical more environmentally friendly cars but he chose to bow to Porsche and benefit the users of gas guzzling cars.

I love peformance cars in the right environment but central London is not the right place. Furthermore this move will just encourage the housewives to drive Range Rovers and Cayennes into the zone.

At the very least sub 120g/km vehicles should have been encouraged over heavy poluting vehicles.

Where does the expression 'Congestion Charge' fit into that rant?

ok, ok, you win......note to self, pick a smarter analogy next time

My CC question still applies though

Edited by Apache on Tuesday 8th July 15:41

[Civil_to_a_point]

supermono said:

Fiatfan said:

At the very least sub 120g/km vehicles should have been encouraged over heavy poluting vehicles.

Carbon dioxide -- the most natural gas in the world.

Don't let them tell you it's a poison, and please don't try telling me it's one. Because it's not.

SM

At concentrations over 40,000 ppm it is immediately hazardous to health, it starts to replace the oxygen in the bloodstream. Sounds like a poison to me.

[kushrach]

Supervet said:

jonmsm said:

GOOD STUFF BORRIS! People have missed a vital part ofhis argument - he said (and rightly so) it will hit families and small businesses hardest so he scrapped it! In the current economical climate this is a VERY wise plan. its these groups who need all the help they can get and yet every day the government is upping taxes on this that and the other for their John Lewis shopping list and second homes! Then this week the PM is blaming US, the PUBLIC for rising food costs becaus we waste too much... What we waste has SOD all to do with the price - your STUPID bio-fuel idea that wasn't thought through is driving up food costs. SO.. finally someone with some power who also has his head screwed on inline with the current economical crap holes were spiralling into and he made a decision for the people not the government coffers!

Mad Borris for PM!

Hmm, Boris or Jezza?

Definately Boris,

Jezza would be good for cars but he would be crap at anything else!!

[Skodaku]

colonel c said:

More good news.

'Last night Jenny Jones, Green party assembly member.'

Said she was "appalled by the decision."

Anything that "appals" Jenny Jones and her ilk must be, in my book at least, a very good thing. Latter-day witch doctors the lot of 'em.

[im]

Civil_to_a_point said:

supermono said:

Fiatfan said:

At the very least sub 120g/km vehicles should have been encouraged over heavy poluting vehicles.

Carbon dioxide -- the most natural gas in the world.

Don't let them tell you it's a poison, and please don't try telling me it's one. Because it's not.

SM

At concentrations over 40,000 ppm it is immediately hazardous to health, it starts to replace the oxygen in the bloodstream. Sounds like a poison to me.

It's actually harmful to you at concentrations lower than that:

http://www.analox.net/site/content_HOSP_co2_danger...

but please don't go throwing facts into thread about the CC

[dcb]

im said:

It's actually harmful to you at concentrations lower than that:

http://www.analox.net/site/content_HOSP_co2_danger...

but please don't go throwing facts into thread about the CC

Carbon dioxide is plant food.

I've yet to meet or converse with any green campaigner with
even a basic grasp of "A" level physics.

To say nothing of maths or economics.

Well done Boris, you get my vote.

[im]

dcb said:

Carbon dioxide is plant food.

It may well be plant food - but it'll still kill you in high enough concentrations.

Whats your point?

[otolith]

im said:

It's actually harmful to you at concentrations lower than that:

http://www.analox.net/site/content_HOSP_co2_danger...

but please don't go throwing facts into thread about the CC

5000ppm is considered the maximum for long term exposure (i.e more than 15 minutes). It's about the level where most people will find it "stuffy". The maximum short term exposure limit is 30,000 ppm, but in the past submarine crews have tolerated such levels for long periods of time without ill effect. Indoor air quality 'elf 'n safety limits; if you're going to pay too much attention to those, don't leave the house if the outside air temperature is below 16C.

http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/idlh/124389.html

[magnus911]

dcb said:

im said:

It's actually harmful to you at concentrations lower than that:

http://www.analox.net/site/content_HOSP_co2_danger...

but please don't go throwing facts into thread about the CC

I've yet to meet or converse with any green campaigner with
even a basic grasp of "A" level physics.

You mean biology when you're talking about plants and photosynthesis.

Ken Livingstone annoyed me so much. I remember watching him on TV before the election trying to justify the £25 charge, saying something along the lines of 'if we don't do something now, then in 50 years time we are going to see deadly weather conditions all over the country..."

He's not a scientist, he has no proof, no real education...and worst of all, refused to print all the evidence that suggested his silly charge was going to increase CO2 by forcing people around the zone and increase congestion by allowing an unlimited number of small vehicles to sit in gridlock all day, burning petrol and not moving!

Please read for your own sakes:

http://www.junkscience.com/news/robinson.htm

Edited by magnus911 on Tuesday 8th July 17:29