RE: SOTW: Peugeot 106 GTI
Discussion
You've a couple of points mixed up there which i'll try and clear up. The Gti official weight was 965kg and the Vts 935kg. However, there was always a debate about pug weighing the car with some fuel. The early spec cars had heavier steering than the later spec cars due to them having an extra valve in the rack. I do believe ditching the power steering is a backward move though. Both PAS racks offer great feedback, I've never seen a review of these cars where the steering feel and feedback was said to be anything other than excellent. Also the NON PAS rack is a slow rack and has more turns lock to lock. I'd rather have the quicker rack personnally. Finally the Vts ran 22mm anti roll bars up until the last couple of years of production where they were dropped down to 19mm for some bizzare reason.
I hope that clears that up.
I hope that clears that up.
Yup, poked about and arb looks like it was 22mm on VTs as standard leading to less oversteer 
but I've a niggle that I've heard of 24mm bars resting in VTs so possibly they got 24mm if the parts bin ran dry. I got a beam off a VTs which had been riding on 1.6 auto spec torsion bars and ARB, possibly why it found itself in the scrappy.
Pug did performance figures reputedly with 1/2 tank of fuel and a passenger which was said to help insurance grouping. The figure I had im my head for the GTi was 940kg with VTs somewhere slightly above it closer to 960 but there's naff all in it really, more performance deficit in the increased weight of the 15" VTs alloys.
The PAS may be good by old PAS standard and the rack is quicker (though that can be changed) but I've a smaller motolita wheel and it's quick enough turn to turn to allow me to misbehave and having driven an early PAS XS there is simply no way I would want it to dilute the way the car feels. You don't tramline on white lines as you do with wide rubber but you know you've crossed a white line and you can feel just how wet or greasy a road is miles before you run out of grip or talent, PAS just doesn't talk to you all the time like that.
but I've a niggle that I've heard of 24mm bars resting in VTs so possibly they got 24mm if the parts bin ran dry. I got a beam off a VTs which had been riding on 1.6 auto spec torsion bars and ARB, possibly why it found itself in the scrappy. Pug did performance figures reputedly with 1/2 tank of fuel and a passenger which was said to help insurance grouping. The figure I had im my head for the GTi was 940kg with VTs somewhere slightly above it closer to 960 but there's naff all in it really, more performance deficit in the increased weight of the 15" VTs alloys.
The PAS may be good by old PAS standard and the rack is quicker (though that can be changed) but I've a smaller motolita wheel and it's quick enough turn to turn to allow me to misbehave and having driven an early PAS XS there is simply no way I would want it to dilute the way the car feels. You don't tramline on white lines as you do with wide rubber but you know you've crossed a white line and you can feel just how wet or greasy a road is miles before you run out of grip or talent, PAS just doesn't talk to you all the time like that.
Great little cars those 106 GTis (and the Rallyes too).
It's a shame that many of the surviving ones have been spoilt by spikey-haired youths fitting daft wheels and nasty deafening exhausts.
It's an even greater shame that Peugeot have never replaced it with something comparable. That tiny little car that they make (107?) would make a great hot hatch with the right engine...
It's a shame that many of the surviving ones have been spoilt by spikey-haired youths fitting daft wheels and nasty deafening exhausts.
It's an even greater shame that Peugeot have never replaced it with something comparable. That tiny little car that they make (107?) would make a great hot hatch with the right engine...
Am I right in thinking that one of the major problems with the 106 is that the pedals are REALLY close together? So much so that if you have a shoe size of anything over 8 you'll be hitting all 3 pedals at once?
As the Saxo VTS is practically the same car, is this an issue on these too?
I ask because I'm considering either as my next car.
Cheers
I have size 13's and I manage ok in my S1 Rallye......
Heel & toe is entirely possible, and required.......
As the Saxo VTS is practically the same car, is this an issue on these too?
I ask because I'm considering either as my next car.
Cheers
I have size 13's and I manage ok in my S1 Rallye......
Heel & toe is entirely possible, and required.......
lankyarcher said:
Am I right in thinking that one of the major problems with the 106 is that the pedals are REALLY close together? So much so that if you have a shoe size of anything over 8 you'll be hitting all 3 pedals at once?
As the Saxo VTS is practically the same car, is this an issue on these too?
I ask because I'm considering either as my next car.
Cheers
I have size 13's and I manage ok in my S1 Rallye......
Heel & toe is entirely possible, and required.......
I have size 10 1/2 feet and I have no problem with the close pedals. Infact I feind it very easy to heel and toe. The pedal box arrangment is identical to your rallye mate.As the Saxo VTS is practically the same car, is this an issue on these too?
I ask because I'm considering either as my next car.
Cheers
I have size 13's and I manage ok in my S1 Rallye......
Heel & toe is entirely possible, and required.......
As for head gaskets, the earlier models up to 99 had wire ring paper gaskets. These were found to be unreliable (between cylinder 2 and 3) so were replaced my a metal multi layer gasket. French electrics are like a lottery though.
Pretty upsetting to see my pride and joy found in the Shed of the Week section lol!
Ive owned my Pug 106 GTi for nearly 3 years now and its been such an adventure. Was 100% standard when I had it but has been transformed into a daily driver/weekend toy.
I havent driven many other cars so cant say weather is one of the "best handling cars ever"
But I do agree that its such fun to own and drive. I assure you though that not all of em are abused and trashed.
There are a few guys out there who take pride and joy in them. Heres mine:
Ive owned my Pug 106 GTi for nearly 3 years now and its been such an adventure. Was 100% standard when I had it but has been transformed into a daily driver/weekend toy.
I havent driven many other cars so cant say weather is one of the "best handling cars ever"
But I do agree that its such fun to own and drive. I assure you though that not all of em are abused and trashed.
There are a few guys out there who take pride and joy in them. Heres mine:
rushy_23 said:
Pretty upsetting to see my pride and joy found in the Shed of the Week section lol!
Ive owned my Pug 106 GTi for nearly 3 years now and its been such an adventure. Was 100% standard when I had it but has been transformed into a daily driver/weekend toy.
I havent driven many other cars so cant say weather is one of the "best handling cars ever"
But I do agree that its such fun to own and drive. I assure you though that not all of em are abused and trashed.
There are a few guys out there who take pride and joy in them. Heres mine:
That is a very nice looking wee motor. Nice to see a "modified" hatchback with all the aftermarket stuff being there for a reasonIve owned my Pug 106 GTi for nearly 3 years now and its been such an adventure. Was 100% standard when I had it but has been transformed into a daily driver/weekend toy.
I havent driven many other cars so cant say weather is one of the "best handling cars ever"
But I do agree that its such fun to own and drive. I assure you though that not all of em are abused and trashed.
There are a few guys out there who take pride and joy in them. Heres mine:
Cheers! Practically everything on the car is purposful, but Im
a self confessed perfectionist at the same time so its hard
to keep it neat and tidy while your abusing it on track.
Just read the comments above. From my knowledge, the later model
106 GTi's did come with the 24mm ARBs as standard. The Saxo
VTS's never did (no matter what age). A lot of VTS owners are known
to have changed the ARBs for the later GTi/S2 Rallye ones.
All S2 Rallyes came with the 24mm ARB. Not sure on the S1.
With regards to Torsion bars, all GTis came with the 19mm versions. (as
well as the Saxo VTS).
Finally with the concerns of weight, Its know that the Saxo VTS
weighed roughly 935kgs. It was assumed that the 106 GTi was the
same BUT, Peugeots 0 to 60 times were slower than Citroens.
People assume this is due to Peugeot loading the car up more
during testing to reduce insurance (GTi = 13, VTS = 14).
Lots of myths and stories, doubt we will ever get answers
a self confessed perfectionist at the same time so its hard
to keep it neat and tidy while your abusing it on track.
Just read the comments above. From my knowledge, the later model
106 GTi's did come with the 24mm ARBs as standard. The Saxo
VTS's never did (no matter what age). A lot of VTS owners are known
to have changed the ARBs for the later GTi/S2 Rallye ones.
All S2 Rallyes came with the 24mm ARB. Not sure on the S1.
With regards to Torsion bars, all GTis came with the 19mm versions. (as
well as the Saxo VTS).
Finally with the concerns of weight, Its know that the Saxo VTS
weighed roughly 935kgs. It was assumed that the 106 GTi was the
same BUT, Peugeots 0 to 60 times were slower than Citroens.
People assume this is due to Peugeot loading the car up more
during testing to reduce insurance (GTi = 13, VTS = 14).
Lots of myths and stories, doubt we will ever get answers
rushy_23 said:
Cheers! Practically everything on the car is purposful, but Im
a self confessed perfectionist at the same time so its hard
to keep it neat and tidy while your abusing it on track.
Just read the comments above. From my knowledge, the later model
106 GTi's did come with the 24mm ARBs as standard. The Saxo
VTS's never did (no matter what age). A lot of VTS owners are known
to have changed the ARBs for the later GTi/S2 Rallye ones.
All S2 Rallyes came with the 24mm ARB. Not sure on the S1.
With regards to Torsion bars, all GTis came with the 19mm versions. (as
well as the Saxo VTS).
Finally with the concerns of weight, Its know that the Saxo VTS
weighed roughly 935kgs. It was assumed that the 106 GTi was the
same BUT, Peugeots 0 to 60 times were slower than Citroens.
People assume this is due to Peugeot loading the car up more
during testing to reduce insurance (GTi = 13, VTS = 14).
Lots of myths and stories, doubt we will ever get answers
I thought that the difference in the 0 to 60 times were down to the differences in gear rations between the 2 cars. IIRC the GTi could just hit 60 in 2nd, where as the VTS had to change up to 3rd?a self confessed perfectionist at the same time so its hard
to keep it neat and tidy while your abusing it on track.
Just read the comments above. From my knowledge, the later model
106 GTi's did come with the 24mm ARBs as standard. The Saxo
VTS's never did (no matter what age). A lot of VTS owners are known
to have changed the ARBs for the later GTi/S2 Rallye ones.
All S2 Rallyes came with the 24mm ARB. Not sure on the S1.
With regards to Torsion bars, all GTis came with the 19mm versions. (as
well as the Saxo VTS).
Finally with the concerns of weight, Its know that the Saxo VTS
weighed roughly 935kgs. It was assumed that the 106 GTi was the
same BUT, Peugeots 0 to 60 times were slower than Citroens.
People assume this is due to Peugeot loading the car up more
during testing to reduce insurance (GTi = 13, VTS = 14).
Lots of myths and stories, doubt we will ever get answers
Pingman said:
rushy_23 said:
Cheers! Practically everything on the car is purposful, but Im
a self confessed perfectionist at the same time so its hard
to keep it neat and tidy while your abusing it on track.
Just read the comments above. From my knowledge, the later model
106 GTi's did come with the 24mm ARBs as standard. The Saxo
VTS's never did (no matter what age). A lot of VTS owners are known
to have changed the ARBs for the later GTi/S2 Rallye ones.
All S2 Rallyes came with the 24mm ARB. Not sure on the S1.
With regards to Torsion bars, all GTis came with the 19mm versions. (as
well as the Saxo VTS).
Finally with the concerns of weight, Its know that the Saxo VTS
weighed roughly 935kgs. It was assumed that the 106 GTi was the
same BUT, Peugeots 0 to 60 times were slower than Citroens.
People assume this is due to Peugeot loading the car up more
during testing to reduce insurance (GTi = 13, VTS = 14).
Lots of myths and stories, doubt we will ever get answers
I thought that the difference in the 0 to 60 times were down to the differences in gear rations between the 2 cars. IIRC the GTi could just hit 60 in 2nd, where as the VTS had to change up to 3rd?a self confessed perfectionist at the same time so its hard
to keep it neat and tidy while your abusing it on track.
Just read the comments above. From my knowledge, the later model
106 GTi's did come with the 24mm ARBs as standard. The Saxo
VTS's never did (no matter what age). A lot of VTS owners are known
to have changed the ARBs for the later GTi/S2 Rallye ones.
All S2 Rallyes came with the 24mm ARB. Not sure on the S1.
With regards to Torsion bars, all GTis came with the 19mm versions. (as
well as the Saxo VTS).
Finally with the concerns of weight, Its know that the Saxo VTS
weighed roughly 935kgs. It was assumed that the 106 GTi was the
same BUT, Peugeots 0 to 60 times were slower than Citroens.
People assume this is due to Peugeot loading the car up more
during testing to reduce insurance (GTi = 13, VTS = 14).
Lots of myths and stories, doubt we will ever get answers
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