RE: Audi S3 S tronic
Discussion
vz-r_dave said:
So your saying that the RX7 is classless pff I dont often lower myself to this level but your a moron.
Every RX7 produced has had bags of class,
Typical situation of driving down the road, who notices the likes of an Audi A3 (general public wont know the difference between the S3) The RX7 on the other hand is in a completely different league.
FAN BOY alert.
p.s im not talking about the tacky modified RX7's here.
Perhaps the likes of the Type R or S varients.
I am saying an RX7 doesnt have the class and appeal of an Audi S3, and Im an ex RX7 owner ('93 Type-R in motegi green with mazdaspeed quick shift, induction, exhaust, and ECU changed to give 330BHP BTW).Every RX7 produced has had bags of class,
Typical situation of driving down the road, who notices the likes of an Audi A3 (general public wont know the difference between the S3) The RX7 on the other hand is in a completely different league.
FAN BOY alert.
p.s im not talking about the tacky modified RX7's here.
Perhaps the likes of the Type R or S varients.
Edited by vz-r_dave on Thursday 2nd October 12:42
Much as you want to believe it does, it is simply a speed machine, and the interior cheapness is something to behold when compared with an Audi.
Im afraid as someone who owned an RX7 and an Audi A3, the Audi oozes class whereas the RX7 does not, different league altogether.
I was a little harsh in my critisism of the "typical" Japanese car that has a cheap interior and lots of sticky on bits, and does one thing very well (goes fast) but all others pretty badly. Some are okay, but they dont compete in the quality or class stakes.
I had an S3 225 and took it on track at Bedford once. I didn't find it a particular understeerer at all - very largely it just gripped and went round in a rather uneventful manner. That was with the 17" alloys on P Zeros as I recall.
And in everyday driving I do not recall understeer ever being an issue, even in the wet. I think you'd really need to driving dangerously fast on a public road before oversteer was even potentially an issue.
And in everyday driving I do not recall understeer ever being an issue, even in the wet. I think you'd really need to driving dangerously fast on a public road before oversteer was even potentially an issue.
RacingTeatray said:
I had an S3 225 and took it on track at Bedford once. I didn't find it a particular understeerer at all - very largely it just gripped and went round in a rather uneventful manner. That was with the 17" alloys on P Zeros as I recall.
And in everyday driving I do not recall understeer ever being an issue, even in the wet. I think you'd really need to driving dangerously fast on a public road before oversteer was even potentially an issue.
I think my real issue with the 4WD on the S3 225 (remapped) that I had was that it would torque steer on occassion.And in everyday driving I do not recall understeer ever being an issue, even in the wet. I think you'd really need to driving dangerously fast on a public road before oversteer was even potentially an issue.
Well just so people know, mine's a 2007 S3 that has been remapped to 320bhp and to get it to understeer you really need to NOT know how to drive a haldex car. It's pretty well settled through the corners and if it does start to let go at the front, simply pushing the throttle a bit further soon sorts it out as the power goes further back. Unlike the 8L S3s, it never runs in full FWD mode unless you're braking, it is usually somewhere between a 70:30 and 50:50 front:rear split.
RacingTeatray said:
I had an S3 225 and took it on track at Bedford once. I didn't find it a particular understeerer at all - very largely it just gripped and went round in a rather uneventful manner. That was with the 17" alloys on P Zeros as I recall.
And in everyday driving I do not recall understeer ever being an issue, even in the wet. I think you'd really need to driving dangerously fast on a public road before oversteer was even potentially an issue.
You're joking aren't you?And in everyday driving I do not recall understeer ever being an issue, even in the wet. I think you'd really need to driving dangerously fast on a public road before oversteer was even potentially an issue.
I owned a 210 S3 and I also drove one at BA on the East circuit. It understeers, which is normal as it's the way it is set up, it's far from a track car anyway. The point is not so much whether it understeers or oversteers or is neutral(99% of road cars understeer on turn-in) but how early it does so (the front starts sliding at a much lower speed than competitors' car or even lesser cars like a CTR). I was running on Yokis A539 IIRC then.
You don't need to be driving dangerously on the road to safely under or oversteer (especially in an S3).If you think you do, you need to buy a pipe and sleepers or get tuition (at Bedford ideally) to discover what your performance car can do (safely).
Obviously, if you haven't ventured beyond the limits of grip of the car, you won't know if it's grippier or not than another.
If the S3 understeers and has no cornering grip then the 3.2 can only be driven in a straight line....all this CoG/engine mounted in ahead of the front axle, nose heavy etc.......all true, but FFS they're not F1 cars...
Give a little on corner entry....[dial out the understeer by putting the throttle down gradually], then floor it mid-apex. It is possible to carry frankly ludicrous speeds....Fair enough nowhere near as rewarding or as fun as the E87 RWD, but in terms of ability they're not far apart....although in wet conditions it's obvious.
Give a little on corner entry....[dial out the understeer by putting the throttle down gradually], then floor it mid-apex. It is possible to carry frankly ludicrous speeds....Fair enough nowhere near as rewarding or as fun as the E87 RWD, but in terms of ability they're not far apart....although in wet conditions it's obvious.
nickfrog said:
RacingTeatray said:
I had an S3 225 and took it on track at Bedford once. I didn't find it a particular understeerer at all - very largely it just gripped and went round in a rather uneventful manner. That was with the 17" alloys on P Zeros as I recall.
And in everyday driving I do not recall understeer ever being an issue, even in the wet. I think you'd really need to driving dangerously fast on a public road before oversteer was even potentially an issue.
You're joking aren't you?And in everyday driving I do not recall understeer ever being an issue, even in the wet. I think you'd really need to driving dangerously fast on a public road before oversteer was even potentially an issue.
I owned a 210 S3 and I also drove one at BA on the East circuit. It understeers, which is normal as it's the way it is set up, it's far from a track car anyway. The point is not so much whether it understeers or oversteers or is neutral(99% of road cars understeer on turn-in) but how early it does so (the front starts sliding at a much lower speed than competitors' car or even lesser cars like a CTR). I was running on Yokis A539 IIRC then.
You don't need to be driving dangerously on the road to safely under or oversteer (especially in an S3).If you think you do, you need to buy a pipe and sleepers or get tuition (at Bedford ideally) to discover what your performance car can do (safely).
Obviously, if you haven't ventured beyond the limits of grip of the car, you won't know if it's grippier or not than another.
And yes I've ventured beyond the limits of grip - did that on a driver training day. Was such a tank slapper the car swapped ends three times, which the instructor ventured to suggest was quite an achievement in an S3 (I don't think that was necessarily a compliment).
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