RE: Nissan Hits Back At GT-R Cheat Claims

[Streetrod]

Diderot said:

_Lee_ said:

thekirbyfake said:

_Lee_ said:

DiscoColin said:

Note: didn't I hear that DR also managed to (just) out drag it with a stock Carrera S?

Yes.

It was very surprising the 385bhp 911 out-dragged the GTR. Think what a Turbo or GT2 would have done to it!

I actually wonder if something wasn't right on the GTR as the times on paper should have given the GTR a clear win.

Or maybe, just maybe, the Porsche supplied was a ringer?

You could be right mate.

Something wasn't quite right in that sprint!

Well, it pretty much stacks up. Porsche quote 4.3 to 62mph. So to 60, that may well equate to circa 4.0. The GTR in that Autocar vid was tested at 4.0 to 60mph.

Guys you have to carefull with 0 - 60 sprint times because a number of factors can effect a cars ability to hit a low number. Even cars that appear to have similar power to weight ratios can post very different times. Factors like weight distribution, traction, gear ratios, 2 or 4 wheel drive and tyre compounds will all have an effect.

[Joecooool]

Dagnut said:

Joecooool said:

Dagnut said:

I'll say this again. Can all the yanks and porsche fan boys please take note.

Top gear tested the gtr with an independent driver(the stig) around their short track it was quicker than the 911 turbo.

Fifth gear with Senna driving put it around anglesea( short track approx 59 seconds i don't have exact time) and it beat the 911 turbo..same driver same day no bias... if it can pull only a half second around anglesea it could could wipe the floor with it over the length of the ring.

also countless magazine and on line tests all independent have it quicker.


please shut up.

And would you please note that several Japanese car companies have been caught in the past providing test cars that have more power and different suspension settings than the cars they sell to the public.

Again Joe your wading in without knowing any facts, listening to forum rumours and and what basically amounts to propaganda. You are stereotypical of the the posters I have come across on this issue.
Nissan posted a second vid of it's ring time and some clown posted " yeah but your gearbox will fall out buy a Vette" totally irrelevant and untrue.
Let me just clarify the situation with both test cars used by Top Gear and Fifth gear, both cars are grey imports imported personally by the owners, completely standard Jap spec GTR's.
I have no vested interest in Nissan nor would I could consider myself a particular fan of any particular brand, I love cars end of. The only reason I am continually defending the GTR on this issue is because this is starting to escalate into one of those myths the internet seems to create, with something like cars where we have measurable quantity's and achievements and INDEPENDENT testers, and also where most people on the forums seem to be able to make balanced unbiased judgements this sh!t shouldn't be happening.
z01 is the bench mark around the ring now anyway, no one has questioned that time? because people are reasonable and wiling to accept GM have a great car and should be applauded.
I don't understand where the backlash against the GTR is coming from other then to say that "hardcore" Vette and 911 fan's must be unreasonable, biased a$$holes.

It was a press car, not privately owned. GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT!

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/07/22/top-gear-crashe...

[Joecooool]

sjc said:

Joecooool said:

Dagnut said:

I'll say this again. Can all the yanks and porsche fan boys please take note.

Top gear tested the gtr with an independent driver(the stig) around their short track it was quicker than the 911 turbo.

Fifth gear with Senna driving put it around anglesea( short track approx 59 seconds i don't have exact time) and it beat the 911 turbo..same driver same day no bias... if it can pull only a half second around anglesea it could could wipe the floor with it over the length of the ring.

also countless magazine and on line tests all independent have it quicker.


please shut up.

And would you please note that several Japanese car companies have been caught in the past providing test cars that have more power and different suspension settings than the cars they sell to the public.

Christ you're showing yourself up. Most of the test cars used in this country were untouched private imports.But I've said that 8 times on these threads now.........but you'll ignore it....again because then you'll be exposed as a bullstter of the highest order.........again.........not that it'll stop you trying to influence people .......again.....and you'll look like a bullstter again.....can you see a pattern?

Are you ignorant or a liar?

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/07/22/top-gear-crashe...

[Joecooool]

stew-S160 said:

Joecooool said:

Dagnut said:

I'll say this again. Can all the yanks and porsche fan boys please take note.

Top gear tested the gtr with an independent driver(the stig) around their short track it was quicker than the 911 turbo.

Fifth gear with Senna driving put it around anglesea( short track approx 59 seconds i don't have exact time) and it beat the 911 turbo..same driver same day no bias... if it can pull only a half second around anglesea it could could wipe the floor with it over the length of the ring.

also countless magazine and on line tests all independent have it quicker.


please shut up.

And would you please note that several Japanese car companies have been caught in the past providing test cars that have more power and different suspension settings than the cars they sell to the public.

and would you please note that the GTR isn't sold here yet. the cars were provided by owners who have imported them or bought them from an importer. I hardly think Nissan UK would have had much to do with this.

And would you please note that this is bullsh*t?

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/07/22/top-gear-crashe...

Edited by Joecooool on Wednesday 15th October 15:15

[Niffty951]

Streetrod said:

Niffty, it was a valid question, Joecool stated that the GTR-R broke the law of physics; I just wanted to know which ones he was referring too. Its not often I get to apply my education to one of my other passions which is cars.
And by the way I am very English, to imply that I sound American is very insulting.....LOL

Ha Ha well I'll let you off then old bean but it's only an expression don't go around bragging too much or you will be mistaken for one of our American cousins;) I do hate listening to it on all the American forums!

p.s. If you are interested, tyre dynamics and grip are very interesting areas to look into if you love Physics. They do display some very unusual properties.

[Dagnut]

Ah joe where do we go from here eh? that was top gear magazine..not the show who put the car around the track..so what exactly does your article prove..and what about the fifth gear test?

There's the press car in the studio and a private owned car on the track..any response to that?

http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=lnmpIqFoYtg

and what about evo mag?

http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=VaBnXrixmMM&feat...

Edited by Dagnut on Wednesday 15th October 15:46

[Joecooool]

The issue is hitting the main stream media now...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqyEjMTTito

Starting at the 5:56 mark.

[Dagnut]

Joecooool said:

The issue is hitting the main stream media now...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqyEjMTTito

Starting at the 5:56 mark.

main stream media? joe your clutching at straws now.. plus you haven't responded to my Fifth gear vid..typical American argument just completely ignore anything which disproves you.

[Joecooool]

Dagnut said:

Ah joe where do we go from here eh? that was top gear magazine..not the show who put the car around the track..so what exactly does your article prove..and what about the fifth gear test?

There's the press car in the studio and a private owned car on the track..any response to that?

http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=lnmpIqFoYtg

and what about evo mag?

http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=VaBnXrixmMM&feat...

Edited by Dagnut on Wednesday 15th October 15:46

There wasn't anything in either of those videos that indicated they were privately owned.

But if they were, they just voided their warranty!

[Dagnut]

Joecooool said:

Dagnut said:

Ah joe where do we go from here eh? that was top gear magazine..not the show who put the car around the track..so what exactly does your article prove..and what about the fifth gear test?

There's the press car in the studio and a private owned car on the track..any response to that?

http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=lnmpIqFoYtg

and what about evo mag?

http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=VaBnXrixmMM&feat...

Edited by Dagnut on Wednesday 15th October 15:46

There wasn't anything in either of those videos that indicated they were privately owned.

But if they were, they just voided their warranty!

I doubt anyone is laughing at your "joke". Didn't your article state the "only" official GTR in the country? so how do explain a white one?
are you just gonna provide evidence and selectively choose what you want from it?

Faced with overwhelming independent evidence you revert back to type and bring up the warranty issue.

Admit when your wrong and I might have some respect for you.

Edited by Dagnut on Wednesday 15th October 16:04

[Joecooool]

Dagnut said:

Joecooool said:

Dagnut said:

Ah joe where do we go from here eh? that was top gear magazine..not the show who put the car around the track..so what exactly does your article prove..and what about the fifth gear test?

There's the press car in the studio and a private owned car on the track..any response to that?

http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=lnmpIqFoYtg

and what about evo mag?

http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=VaBnXrixmMM&feat...

Edited by Dagnut on Wednesday 15th October 15:46

There wasn't anything in either of those videos that indicated they were privately owned.

But if they were, they just voided their warranty!

I doubt anyone is laughing at your "joke"

Faced with overwhelming independent evidence you revert back to type and bring up the warranty issue.

Admit when your wrong and I might have some respect for you.

Wrong about what?

You said "Let me just clarify the situation with both test cars used by Top Gear and Fifth gear, both cars are grey imports imported personally by the owners, completely standard Jap spec GTR's."

I proceeded to prove that the Top Gear car was a press car.

You then put up two videos irrelevant to your point that still did not give any indication that the test cars were privately owned.

Somehow you think this means you were right?

The point I made about voiding the warranty if they are privately owned isn't a joke.

[Joecooool]

Posted today on the GT-R forum -

[Streetrod]

Joe, just to hammer home a point Top Gear the TV programe has a spin magazine called Top Gear. The car used in the programe was privately owned, the one used for the magazine artical was the press car.

Could you now please answer the question I put to you earlier. You stated that the GT-R defied physics, could you please explain what you ment by that statement?

[Dagnut]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2IHcp10BRI&fea...

here's the fifth gear GTR being tested when it first got of the boat with Owner Ben Linley..first one in the uk..privately owned..same car that fifth gear had..again it beats the 911 turbo..independent tests buy Car magazine.

And what about all the previous posts from 911 owners who tested the car and switched to the GTR? you have presented NOTHING to support your case, not one shred of evidence.

how where my previous videos irrelevant to the point? I said fifth gear tested a private owned GTR and showed the vid. I was I was arguing in court with you it would be so easy.
I've backed up what I said as have other posters.

Edited by Dagnut on Wednesday 15th October 16:19

[Dagnut]

And now you have tried to deflect your inaccurate statements by posting an irrelevant warranty letter. There's a separate thread for that. Your making a fool of your self now.
You even edited one of my responses..did you not think people would notice?
Even if I'm wrong, which I'm willing to accept I might be, at least I am sticking to the issue at hand which is the GTR has been constantly and independently proven to be quicker than the 911T.
If you have nothing to add to that or anything to back up your claims that Nissan is fixing test mules to deceive people please kindly shut the fk up.

Edited by Dagnut on Wednesday 15th October 16:36

[Streetrod]

Niffty951 said:

Streetrod said:

Niffty, it was a valid question, Joecool stated that the GTR-R broke the law of physics; I just wanted to know which ones he was referring too. Its not often I get to apply my education to one of my other passions which is cars.
And by the way I am very English, to imply that I sound American is very insulting.....LOL

Ha Ha well I'll let you off then old bean but it's only an expression don't go around bragging too much or you will be mistaken for one of our American cousins;) I do hate listening to it on all the American forums!

p.s. If you are interested, tyre dynamics and grip are very interesting areas to look into if you love Physics. They do display some very unusual properties.

Niffty, I was not trying to brag and I am sorry if it came across that way, I just wanted Joecool to realise that if you start bringing physics into an augment you better know what you are talking about. A lot of people have stated that the GT-R could not be faster than the Porsche because it had an inferior Power to Weight ratio, I'm afraid it is no where near that simple; P to W is just one part of the equation.

As for tyres, you are very right, most people do not realise that a chemical reaction occurs between a tyre and the road and it’s that reaction that determines a tyres characteristics.

[Joecooool]

Streetrod said:

Could you now please answer the question I put to you earlier. You stated that the GT-R defied physics, could you please explain what you ment by that statement?

Show me another car that weighs as much as the GT-R with the same horse power that gets anywhere close to the 7:29 posted time.

[Joecooool]

Dagnut said:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2IHcp10BRI&fea...

here's the fifth gear GTR being tested when it first got of the boat with Owner Ben Linley..first one in the uk..privately owned..same car that fifth gear had..again it beats the 911 turbo..independent tests buy Car magazine.

And what about all the previous posts from 911 owners who tested the car and switched to the GTR? you have presented NOTHING to support your case, not one shred of evidence.

how where my previous videos irrelevant to the point? I said fifth gear tested a private owned GTR and showed the vid. I was I was arguing in court with you it would be so easy.
I've backed up what I said as have other posters.

Edited by Dagnut on Wednesday 15th October 16:19

I didn;t see anything in that video that referenced 5th gear.

I did see a kid that voided his warranty though.

[Joecooool]

Dagnut said:

And now you have tried to deflect your inaccurate statements by posting an irrelevant warranty letter. There's a separate thread for that. Your making a fool of your self now.
You even edited one of my responses..did you not think people would notice?
Even if I'm wrong, which I'm willing to accept I might be, at least I am sticking to the issue at hand which is the GTR has been constantly and independently proven to be quicker than the 911T.
If you have nothing to add to that or anything to back up your claims that Nissan is fixing test mules to deceive people please kindly shut the fk up.

Edited by Dagnut on Wednesday 15th October 16:36

I edited one of your responses? I quoted you before YOU edited one of your responses.

[sjc]

Joecooool said:

The issue is hitting the main stream media now...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqyEjMTTito

Starting at the 5:56 mark.

You're so desperate now you're even double posting on other threads.
Absolutely pathetic.