One diesel injector? That'll be £800, sir

[Yuxi]

Dont feel left out if you never intend owning a diesel car, as petrol engines start going to GDI and the fuel pressure increases they will start using piezo injectors, if they dont already. Its the price we all pay to meet emisions targets.

[sniff diesel]

oakdale said:

Running a diesel doesn't half save you money, not.

I wonder how much some new injectors would be if his petrol car had done 175k? Being as diesels tend to cover bigger mileages you hear of more stories like this - if it was a petrol Mondeo with 175k he'd probably be scrapping it by now anyway.

[feritsbum]

mybrainhurts said:

feritsbum said:

Sorry, but there is no end in sight for the diesel engine yet and the odd injector going off will not spell the end.
We are well into the Euro 5 engine now and the technology is mind boggling and amazing. There is a long way to go yet before it can be classed as perfect!
We all know that diesel engines are the workhorse engines of businesses and until something better comes along they will remain so.
Injection technologies will become more reliable and cheaper as demand and competition dictate. It will all sort itself out like these things do.

There's been plenty of time for them to get cheaper...and they haven't.

If we're going to be looking at £3000+ for a set of injectors and £thousands for fuel pumps, etc, residual values are going to vanish...

Will businesses then be so keen to buy...?

Not many do buy nowadays they lease or contract etc! Because of the stupid EU emission targets etc, (Euro 5 and beyond!) business and the rest of us will be forced to use whatever is on the go at the time. Unless some bright spark comes up with something better like a safe nuclear engined truck or something then we are stuck with diesels for now and we the consumer will at the end of the day have to pay for the development of the modern day engine. I'm with you on this but what other alternative is there IF you need a workhorse? Cars on the other hand are a different thing, one has the choice of petrol or diesel, make your choice. After many thousands of miles I know which suits me for my everyday ride in this rip off country.

[Pigeon]

odyssey2200 said:

You will have to get a dealer to inputenter the new C2I codes to your ECU

Anyone who designs a system that makes this sort of thing necessary deserves to be strung up by the balls and then have their intestines slowly removed with a button hook.

I can pick any one of thousands and thousands of disk drives with all sorts of different specifications from all sorts of different manufacturers, plug them into my PC and they Just Work without any extra fking about at all, it doesn't even require the (automatic) loading of any different kernel modules.

Yet with a much, much simpler device like a diesel injector on a car it not only requires extra code, you can't even put the bloody code in yourself, it requires paying someone else to do it.

This is much more of a ripoff than an eight hundred pound price tag on the injector itself. The injector is just an overpriced part, the code thing is a kunt system deliberately designed to force you to spend money for something that should be automatic and free.

[flakeypaul]

I've had my diesel four months, so far it's saved me £320 in fuel. That's a third of the difference between how much it cost and how much the equivalent petrol cost. So after one year of ownership having a derv will have paid for itself!

[Wayne King]

flakeypaul said:

I've had my diesel four months, so far it's saved me £320 in fuel. That's a third of the difference between how much it cost and how much the equivalent petrol cost. So after one year of ownership having a derv will have paid for itself!

You must be doing some very serious mileage to be saving that much already... Or are you comparing your 50mpg car with an Enzo that does 10mpg...

[DaveL86]

flakeypaul said:

I've had my diesel four months, so far it's saved me £320 in fuel. That's a third of the difference between how much it cost and how much the equivalent petrol cost. So after one year of ownership having a derv will have paid for itself!

Sounds like your munching some serious miles, but I have to agree when driven correctly (motorway miles) diesels easily pay for them self in the long run, generally lower service costs because no spark plugs to change and more miles makes "longlife" service regimes (~20,000 miles between services).

[Dog Star]

oakdale said:

Running a diesel doesn't half save you money, not.

Tue true; I'd always sworn by diesels (I remember my dad getting our first 504 Diesel in 1976) but I wouldn't consider one now as a new or nearly new car.

There's more to running costs than the simple factor of mpg.

[NoelWatson]

DaveL86 said:

flakeypaul said:

I've had my diesel four months, so far it's saved me £320 in fuel. That's a third of the difference between how much it cost and how much the equivalent petrol cost. So after one year of ownership having a derv will have paid for itself!

Sounds like your munching some serious miles, but I have to agree when driven correctly (motorway miles) diesels easily pay for them self in the long run, generally lower service costs because no spark plugs to change and more miles makes "longlife" service regimes (~20,000 miles between services).

Don't petrol cars have broadly the same service intervals?

[littlebasher]

thinfourth2 said:

Modern diesels are evil things

Diesel engines should be slow and noisy and easily fixed with a hammer

+1

[supersingle]

Yuxi said:

Dont feel left out if you never intend owning a diesel car, as petrol engines start going to GDI and the fuel pressure increases they will start using piezo injectors, if they dont already. Its the price we all pay to meet emisions targets.

Which is why we should all buy old cars...

and put carbs on them. Vroooooooom...

[morgrp]

900T-R said:

thinfourth2 said:

Modern diesels are evil things

Diesel engines should be slow and noisy and easily fixed with a hammer

And belch thick black smoke from their tailpipes.

Totally agree but there is nothing to say old dervs can't be quick (if a little smokey!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORPWDn2UD6s&fea...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-z76N7iRVg&fea...

Edited by morgrp on Saturday 9th October 22:09

[flakeypaul]

Wayne King said:

flakeypaul said:

I've had my diesel four months, so far it's saved me £320 in fuel. That's a third of the difference between how much it cost and how much the equivalent petrol cost. So after one year of ownership having a derv will have paid for itself!

You must be doing some very serious mileage to be saving that much already... Or are you comparing your 50mpg car with an Enzo that does 10mpg...

Not really - I do about 1000(ish) miles per month, mostly urban. Old car (1.8 Zafira) used to do about 300-360 miles per tank and the Scenic does 500-600 miles per tank. Whereas I used to put 3 tankfulls per month in the Vauxhall I'm putting just two in the Renault (and some months only one!) saving me about £80 per month meaning an annual saving of £960 in fuel.

Not bad considering fuel economy wasn't the main reason for buying it!