RE: Is Porsche Planning a GT2 RS?

[havoc]

Ahonen said:

havoc said:

ScottL said:

The current GT2 weighs 1,440kg's and is of course rear wheel drive only.

Guy's right - loosing 200 kilos sounds very unlikely, bear in mind an RSR weighs 1245.

I reckon 1350 is more likely.

Agreed.

Unless they decide to make substantial use of carbon fibre (or, worse, fibreglass or plastic! ). And junk every single toy from the car as standard and make you pay to put them all back in again...

Our 997 Cup racecar is around 1180kg and our 997 RSR GT2 racecar weighs the same without its ballast, so it isn't an insurmountable challenge to make a 1250kg road car - especially as the racecars have lot more rollcage than a road car would.

Porsche always underplays its claims (as do all the Germans), so if they say it's possible it generally is.

I'm very skeptical. Can someone tell me what the BIGGEST weight-loss from donor car to hardcore version is in the last say 20 years?

As an extreme example - what's the saving on the Renault Megane R.26R???

[paul_k]

997 GT2 V GTR lap times here:

http://www.fastestlaps.com/index.php?page_id=compa...

[Davey S2]

Lets be honest its not really going to be a new model as such as you wont be able to walk i to your local OPC and order one. Its a very limited run of just 10 RHD cars which will be bought by collectors.

It would be what the Reventon is to the Murcielago.

It doesnt matter that lots of trackday specials could beat it on track. It will be a very special collectors car.

I hope they make it.

[shoestring7]

peterpeter said:

Harry Flashman said:

"but some owners have found it more suited to the road than the track. An RS version would solve that"

Translated: "Porsche's supercar is being whipped by a £50k Nissan, and they desperately need to recover some dignity by pretending the souped up GT2 is for a completely different reason".

Heh.

spot on...for months now porsche fans have wanted a Cayman CS, that then appears
Then the GT3 is announced and it looks superb
and now a gt2 RS.

all announced (ok not strictly) within a month.. a response to Nissan without doubt and its only good for us car buyers.

Do you really think Porsche see a limited edition Nissan as competitor to their £130k GT2 flagship as well as the GT3 and the Cayman Clubbie? And where does the recent diesel Cayenne and Pan-am launch come in to this - perhaps in response to the new Prius?

Don't you think recent value-added Porsches might just possibly be as a result of a 50% drop in sales in the last quarter of '08?

SS7

[shoestring7]

Rocky Balboa said:

One problem........







.......Porsche's worst nightmare!

Nissan GTR V-Spec

Yeah, but Nissan use the Brothers Grimm for their timing.

Perhaps Porsche might be more worried if the Japanese beat them in the 'Ring 24hr or in FIA GT3 races.

SS7

[GTRene]

Hope they make it...lightweight in a sportcar is great

[peterpeter]

shoestring7 said:

peterpeter said:

Harry Flashman said:

"but some owners have found it more suited to the road than the track. An RS version would solve that"

Translated: "Porsche's supercar is being whipped by a £50k Nissan, and they desperately need to recover some dignity by pretending the souped up GT2 is for a completely different reason".

Heh.

spot on...for months now porsche fans have wanted a Cayman CS, that then appears
Then the GT3 is announced and it looks superb
and now a gt2 RS.

all announced (ok not strictly) within a month.. a response to Nissan without doubt and its only good for us car buyers.

Do you really think Porsche see a limited edition Nissan as competitor to their £130k GT2 flagship as well as the GT3 and the Cayman Clubbie? And where does the recent diesel Cayenne and Pan-am launch come in to this - perhaps in response to the new Prius?

Don't you think recent value-added Porsches might just possibly be as a result of a 50% drop in sales in the last quarter of '08?

SS7

Im not talking about the vspec.
Im talking about the standard GTR which was only 0.1 sec slower round bedford than the GT2. It was only 6 seconds slower round the ring (though it was on non track oriented tyres) and it has beaten the GT2 in several very high profile car tests this year including Evo.

I have no doubt porsche are upset about it...you only have to look at the slanging match between both companies.

This is a great response from porsche and I say its about time.


It is very much a competitor.

I am getting one. I could have swapped my mk1 gt3 to a 997gt3, but quite honestly having driven the GTR I would rather keep my mk1 and get the GTR aswell. The newer gt3 is really not that much better (arguably less fun too) than the mk1 and on the road the GTR blows it away.(track performance and fun is very close too-the porsche edges it imo)

Im not the only one...you should have seen the car parks at the Nissan Academy track days for GTR customers.
50% of the 36 drivers on my day had porsches.

[Housey]

FFS let's not turn this into yet another childish Nissan v Porsche discussion even more so when we are discusing a marketing release...

I was hoping the mk2 997 GT3 would show some solid weight reduction which it didn't so if they can shed 200kgs of this car it bodes well. Now let's have a 4l non turbo RS with a 9000rpm limit please!

[brianwin]

White please.

[BITMAP]

Think its way past time they pensioned off these dinosaurs and started with a clean drawing board

[James UK993]

looks like we got some credit across the pond!
http://www.teamspeed.com/forums/gt/17489-rumormill...

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3514/3239330713_17d...

[c_seven]

CarMad426 said:

This should be awesome, more power and even lighter. Also dont forget that the old GT2 porsche was faster than the GTR around the ring in the wet in the DR test.

http://magazines.drivers-republic.com/driversrepub...

It would be great if you could order all cars in a lightweight version, i dont need electrical adjustable seats and electric windows etc. Even the BMW CSL has to have electric windows.

Not sure if it is true of the CSL but on an Elise the electric window mechanism actually weighs less than the winders.

[C5L]

c_seven said:

CarMad426 said:

This should be awesome, more power and even lighter. Also dont forget that the old GT2 porsche was faster than the GTR around the ring in the wet in the DR test.

http://magazines.drivers-republic.com/driversrepub...

It would be great if you could order all cars in a lightweight version, i dont need electrical adjustable seats and electric windows etc. Even the BMW CSL has to have electric windows.

Not sure if it is true of the CSL but on an Elise the electric window mechanism actually weighs less than the winders.

Same for the CSL, well i don't think the rear ones do, but it is a nice feature to have your rears pop open so you can hear the exhaust note being drowned by the intake noise !

[Polarbert]

I'd much rather have a Caterham Levante for the track.

Or an Ariel Atom 300.

Or just a 'bog standard' GT3 RS.

[PunterCam]

No real point in porsche doing this - I'm sure they can lop off 100-150kgs easily enough, but why bother? Ultimate lap times? Irrelivant. If I'm buying a track car I'm buying the most fun and challenging car, not the fastest. Want to be fast? Buy an atom. Apparently the GT3 RS is fantastic on track, so why bother with a turbo one...

As for porsche being worried about the GTR - really? Obviously one guy in their PR department was pissed about it, but it's seriously doubtfull one of the richest car companies on the planet are worried about a low volume, crass and tasteless electronics fest from nissan.

EVO may have raved about it, but in that same 'car of the year' artical they mentioned its complete lack of sense of occasion. I don't know about everyone else, but a sense of occasion is why I buy a car. I want to hear a fantastic engine, I want to feel special sitting in it, I want to understand the car - not just trust it to work. The GTR is just a very fast car, which makes it very boring.

[STASH1]

There is no denying its a well developed car .it should be theyve had fifty years to get it right but please it looks like a toad with a plank on its back and is techically flawed so please mr Porche can we have something new. if they developed the caymen it would be a far better proposition even if it does look exactly the same.............

[peterpeter]

PunterCam said:

No real point in porsche doing this - I'm sure they can lop off 100-150kgs easily enough, but why bother? Ultimate lap times? Irrelivant. If I'm buying a track car I'm buying the most fun and challenging car, not the fastest. Want to be fast? Buy an atom. Apparently the GT3 RS is fantastic on track, so why bother with a turbo one...

As for porsche being worried about the GTR - really? Obviously one guy in their PR department was pissed about it, but it's seriously doubtfull one of the richest car companies on the planet are worried about a low volume, crass and tasteless electronics fest from nissan.

EVO may have raved about it, but in that same 'car of the year' artical they mentioned its complete lack of sense of occasion. I don't know about everyone else, but a sense of occasion is why I buy a car. I want to hear a fantastic engine, I want to feel special sitting in it, I want to understand the car - not just trust it to work. The GTR is just a very fast car, which makes it very boring.

without starting a gtr vs porsche argument,

I can happily tell you that having driven both the GTR and all versions of the GT3 and GT3 RS, on the track and road,...you are talking utter rubbish.
The GTR comes shockingly close for fun on the track and it pummels the gt porsches on road. It is hugely entertaining. You may find it "crass and tasteless" but thats your opinion. Again, how you can say its boring without driving one is beyond me.

[MrKipling43]

Well, given that a chap I know (who's not shy behind the wheel) recently described the standard GT2 as 'tear your hair out terrifying' and 'way faster the Scuderia', god only knows what a GT2 RS would be like!

Sounds amusing, but slightly pointless to me. Still want one though!

[Johnny997gt2]

I'm a previous owner of a 996 GT3 RS, a 996 GT2 (which I killed after only a few weeks ownership) and now a 997 GT2 I've got to say the thought of getting my hands on a lightweight GT2 makes me rather moist. The 997 GT2 is far superior/more powerful and easier to handle than the 996 version. I do miss owning a naturally aspirated 911 though. There is nothing like being in "the zone" in a powerful lightweight 911 around silverstone, especially while there is still F1 rubber on the track at Silverstone in July each year. Riding the kerbs, glued to the track on those michelin pilot sports run to proper temperature.

No, you truely get a 911 experience like no other

[PunterCam]

peterpeter said:

PunterCam said:

No real point in porsche doing this - I'm sure they can lop off 100-150kgs easily enough, but why bother? Ultimate lap times? Irrelivant. If I'm buying a track car I'm buying the most fun and challenging car, not the fastest. Want to be fast? Buy an atom. Apparently the GT3 RS is fantastic on track, so why bother with a turbo one...

As for porsche being worried about the GTR - really? Obviously one guy in their PR department was pissed about it, but it's seriously doubtfull one of the richest car companies on the planet are worried about a low volume, crass and tasteless electronics fest from nissan.

EVO may have raved about it, but in that same 'car of the year' artical they mentioned its complete lack of sense of occasion. I don't know about everyone else, but a sense of occasion is why I buy a car. I want to hear a fantastic engine, I want to feel special sitting in it, I want to understand the car - not just trust it to work. The GTR is just a very fast car, which makes it very boring.

without starting a gtr vs porsche argument,

I can happily tell you that having driven both the GTR and all versions of the GT3 and GT3 RS, on the track and road,...you are talking utter rubbish.
The GTR comes shockingly close for fun on the track and it pummels the gt porsches on road. It is hugely entertaining. You may find it "crass and tasteless" but thats your opinion. Again, how you can say its boring without driving one is beyond me.

I didn't comment on the GTRs ability around a track, or its fun factor. I merely said a track car should be for fun - as in, porsche have a fantastic track car, why bother with a slightly faster one?

While I haven't driven a GTR in anger yet, I have had spent a bit of time being in and around it, and it really is lacking in something. The interior is bland - well made, but dull, and it sounds terrible. For me, these two things are THE most important parts of a sports car. If it's not gonna make me feel special, then what's the point... It's why I'd have an m3 over one - one of the best engines in the business.