RE: Porsche Offer for Scania 'May Succeed'

[Fittster]

Porsche a luxury brand making sports cars became the most profitable car company in the world. They have now moved into the mass market and the commercial sector.

Not sure I'd be happy with this strategy if I was a shareholder.

[Skodaku]

So we could soon have nose-to-tail Porsches trundling down lane 1 at 56mph. And fancy being tailgated by 44 tonnes of Porsche.

The world is brightening up no end.

[Turbotabby]

Fittster said:

Porsche a luxury brand making sports cars became the most profitable car company in the world. They have now moved into the mass market and the commercial sector.

Not sure I'd be happy with this strategy if I was a shareholder.

Porsche realised that they were too small to afford the R&D clout to meet upcoming legislative and technological challenges. The economies of scale of possible with the VW group, and their sports car division could be promising. Admittedly their group overall profit margins, may decrease as they move from high margin products, to more mass market cars, this should be compensated by a sizeable increase in sales volume however.

[Deva Link]

Turbotabby said:

Fittster said:

Porsche a luxury brand making sports cars became the most profitable car company in the world. They have now moved into the mass market and the commercial sector.

Not sure I'd be happy with this strategy if I was a shareholder.

Porsche realised that they were too small to afford the R&D clout to meet upcoming legislative and technological challenges. The economies of scale of possible with the VW group, and their sports car division could be promising. Admittedly their group overall profit margins, may decrease as they move from high margin products, to more mass market cars, this should be compensated by a sizeable increase in sales volume however.

errr...it's to do with average CO2 emissions, isn't it? Car manufactuers are going to be fined from 2010 if the cars they produce average more than 130g/km CO2. So Porsche needs to do something to average those figures down.

[Turbotabby]

Deva Link said:

Turbotabby said:

Fittster said:

Porsche a luxury brand making sports cars became the most profitable car company in the world. They have now moved into the mass market and the commercial sector.

Not sure I'd be happy with this strategy if I was a shareholder.

Porsche realised that they were too small to afford the R&D clout to meet upcoming legislative and technological challenges. The economies of scale of possible with the VW group, and their sports car division could be promising. Admittedly their group overall profit margins, may decrease as they move from high margin products, to more mass market cars, this should be compensated by a sizeable increase in sales volume however.

errr...it's to do with average CO2 emissions, isn't it? Car manufactuers are going to be fined from 2010 if the cars they produce average more than 130g/km CO2. So Porsche needs to do something to average those figures down.

As I said "legislative and technological challenges". Porsche already held 31% of VW group shares, whether this allowed them to merge their CO2 figures with those of VW, I'm not sure?

[Nickyboy]

teadazed said:

wab172uk said:

Porsche need a 10 Billion Euro loan? Didn't they just make £18bn curtesy of the Hedge funds?

Scania GT3 RS. No faster way of getting your goods from the warehouse to the shops.

Untill that is they release a Scania GT2 RS.

Not really sure a stripped out lorry with a roll cage in place of the load would be all that practical though.
Having said that a lorry that could do the ring in sub 8 mins would be pretty cool.

Not quite the Ring but http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZF8AWXKlxo&fea...

[DiscoColin]

Deva Link said:

Turbotabby said:

Fittster said:

Porsche a luxury brand making sports cars became the most profitable car company in the world. They have now moved into the mass market and the commercial sector.

Not sure I'd be happy with this strategy if I was a shareholder.

Porsche realised that they were too small to afford the R&D clout to meet upcoming legislative and technological challenges. The economies of scale of possible with the VW group, and their sports car division could be promising. Admittedly their group overall profit margins, may decrease as they move from high margin products, to more mass market cars, this should be compensated by a sizeable increase in sales volume however.

errr...it's to do with average CO2 emissions, isn't it? Car manufactuers are going to be fined from 2010 if the cars they produce average more than 130g/km CO2. So Porsche needs to do something to average those figures down.

You have actually quoted the wrong post here - this is in fact the real answer to the one about why Porsche put only the V6 tractor plant into the bus rather than something chunkier. The point being that they are begrudgingly offering it for legislative reasons - they aren't especially bothered about selling them to anyone who would not otherwise leave the marque for the sake of burning oil...

[Ipelm]

Poor darlings, just lost 2 billion odd off their little scam, oh well perhaps crime doesnt pay (so well) after all?

[Fetchez la vache]

Deva Link said:

Turbotabby said:

Fittster said:

Porsche a luxury brand making sports cars became the most profitable car company in the world. They have now moved into the mass market and the commercial sector.

Not sure I'd be happy with this strategy if I was a shareholder.

Porsche realised that they were too small to afford the R&D clout to meet upcoming legislative and technological challenges. The economies of scale of possible with the VW group, and their sports car division could be promising. Admittedly their group overall profit margins, may decrease as they move from high margin products, to more mass market cars, this should be compensated by a sizeable increase in sales volume however.

errr...it's to do with average CO2 emissions, isn't it? Car manufactuers are going to be fined from 2010 if the cars they produce average more than 130g/km CO2. So Porsche needs to do something to average those figures down.

I know where you're coming from, but I can't see how buying a truck manufacturer is going to improve average CO2 emissions

[nickfrog]

Fittster said:

They have now moved into the mass market and the commercial sector.

They have been in the mass market for abou 12 years really.

Commercial ? Were they in the charity sector before ? Was it a non-profit organisation?

[Deva Link]

Fetchez la vache said:

Deva Link said:

Turbotabby said:

Fittster said:

Porsche a luxury brand making sports cars became the most profitable car company in the world. They have now moved into the mass market and the commercial sector.

Not sure I'd be happy with this strategy if I was a shareholder.

Porsche realised that they were too small to afford the R&D clout to meet upcoming legislative and technological challenges. The economies of scale of possible with the VW group, and their sports car division could be promising. Admittedly their group overall profit margins, may decrease as they move from high margin products, to more mass market cars, this should be compensated by a sizeable increase in sales volume however.

errr...it's to do with average CO2 emissions, isn't it? Car manufactuers are going to be fined from 2010 if the cars they produce average more than 130g/km CO2. So Porsche needs to do something to average those figures down.

I know where you're coming from, but I can't see how buying a truck manufacturer is going to improve average CO2 emissions

I was talking about the VW connection. They don't want Scania - as I understand it, it's just a quirk in the financial situation that they had to make a minimum offer but the share price has dropped below that offer meaning the shareholders are likely to take it up.

[edb49]

Isn't the relevant thing here that Porsche have to put up more cash, just when they don't want to? I thought they were in a nasty position and over-leveraged on VW shares.

[japcrazed]

Mike Rob said:

Scania Trucks re-branded as Porsche. Now that's got to worry a few top end truck boys, eg Mercedes.

Mercedes are middle of the road in the truck world,scania along with volvo are generally considered top end trucks

[Mike Rob]

japcrazed said:

Mike Rob said:

Scania Trucks re-branded as Porsche. Now that's got to worry a few top end truck boys, eg Mercedes.

Mercedes are middle of the road in the truck world,scania along with volvo are generally considered top end trucks

I stand corrected

[mark_eire]

japcrazed said:

Mike Rob said:

Scania Trucks re-branded as Porsche. Now that's got to worry a few top end truck boys, eg Mercedes.

Mercedes are middle of the road in the truck world,scania along with volvo are generally considered top end trucks

+1

[dealdownup]

The fantastic 16litre v8 620 bhp scania engine mid mounted in a cayanne aka cayman give that lump to the weissach boys and then get it pumping out circa 2500 bhp go to le mans bingo just knock every car off the track up yours club de l ouest or whatever name they are!
Or just go round nurburring your way enough times and you would make your own easy oval circuit up yrs nissan
buy enough trucks and you get a new cayman that sorts prod out at porsche
Scania need a new cab soon so porsche could graft a 911 nose on to the front for the forward control (one with a bonnet!) model they managed with the cayenne so they can do it with a truck cab
would they rename it Porscan or Scapors?
we could have an 8x4 porsche 911 tipper or up yours aston martin options are endless
Bring it on

[asbo]

dealdownup said:

The fantastic 16litre v8 620 bhp scania engine mid mounted in a cayanne aka cayman give that lump to the weissach boys and then get it pumping out circa 2500 bhp go to le mans bingo just knock every car off the track up yours club de l ouest or whatever name they are!
Or just go round nurburring your way enough times and you would make your own easy oval circuit up yrs nissan
buy enough trucks and you get a new cayman that sorts prod out at porsche
Scania need a new cab soon so porsche could graft a 911 nose on to the front for the forward control (one with a bonnet!) model they managed with the cayenne so they can do it with a truck cab
would they rename it Porscan or Scapors?
we could have an 8x4 porsche 911 tipper or up yours aston martin options are endless
Bring it on

Yes well done there lad.

Your ma' would be proud no doubt.