RE: PH Zeroes: Mitsubishi 3000GT
Discussion
Well written and interesting! Looked at them not long a go but decided for the money it wasn't worth it. Had MK2 Mr2 (first car with pop ups for me!) and I found a similar issue with the car feeling wrong. Also it reliable ish but didn't feel solid at all, I didn't really like it at all. Having worked on that and on numerous German cars they are both logically made an easily taken apart but the components on the German cars are much more sturdy and appeared to have suffered less over time.
My landrover on the other hand....oh dear. I don't think its a case of Jap build verses European but Jap versus German? Certinly I would pick a 20 year Jap banger car over a french, spanish or Italien one if I were on a very tight budget.
My landrover on the other hand....oh dear. I don't think its a case of Jap build verses European but Jap versus German? Certinly I would pick a 20 year Jap banger car over a french, spanish or Italien one if I were on a very tight budget.
GTO Pete said:
I think there are some very good points in this artical, some that are off the mark and other bits that are just factually wrong (E.G- abs ECU is in the car not front wing)- it reads like someone has done some internet research rather then talking to people who really know about the in's and outs of the the car.
Funnily enough I got that ABS ECU 'fact' directly from an employee of Mitsubishi UK who is rebuilding one as we speak, so I can only apologise for that.Not one mention of the real reason why they are a "zero" - they're rubbish to drive.
As for this: " With its huge 300ZX, Nissan was notably failing to recapture the magic of the 240Z. Toyota’s not-much-nicer entry into the class was the flabby Supra".
What nonsense - both were critically acclaimed worldwide, including by the UK press. Of the 300ZX, for example, Car magazine said (on the cover) that it was "like a 944 Turbo and 928 rolled into one". It won more awards in the US than anything else I can think of.
The only problem they have is the badge and the fact that they don't look German, hence huge depreciation and ending up in the hands of the socially less elevated.
As for this: " With its huge 300ZX, Nissan was notably failing to recapture the magic of the 240Z. Toyota’s not-much-nicer entry into the class was the flabby Supra".
What nonsense - both were critically acclaimed worldwide, including by the UK press. Of the 300ZX, for example, Car magazine said (on the cover) that it was "like a 944 Turbo and 928 rolled into one". It won more awards in the US than anything else I can think of.
The only problem they have is the badge and the fact that they don't look German, hence huge depreciation and ending up in the hands of the socially less elevated.
Edited by Trommel on Thursday 19th February 13:02
Trommel said:
Medic-one said:
By the sounds of it the author of this article has probably never driven a 3000GT/GTO, let alone own one, so what does he know...
Imagine how much more critical the article would have been if he had driven one.If you haven't then you don't know what you're talking about and just copying facts and other internet arcticles means nothing.
Medic-one said:
By the sounds of it the author of this article has probably never driven a 3000GT/GTO, let alone own one, so what does he know...
A happy, well impressed GTO owner.
I have, actually, the UK press test car in the late '90s when I was editing Petrolhead magazine. I had too much other stuff to fit in here so that bit ended up on the cutting room floor. A happy, well impressed GTO owner.
tonym911 said:
GTO Pete said:
I think there are some very good points in this artical, some that are off the mark and other bits that are just factually wrong (E.G- abs ECU is in the car not front wing)- it reads like someone has done some internet research rather then talking to people who really know about the in's and outs of the the car.
Funnily enough I got that ABS ECU 'fact' directly from an employee of Mitsubishi UK who is rebuilding one as we speak, so I can only apologise for that.In stock form there are better cars you can buy but there are also worse cars. I think the problem with the 3000GT/GTO is that there are so many bad ones only a few people knows what a good one is like to drive. This because they get purchased be people who see a sports car for 3 grand but they dont want to pay the kind of money it takes to keep a car of this type in good shape, hence why most of them are now junkers.
GTO Pete said:
In stock form there are better cars you can buy but there are also worse cars. I think the problem with the 3000GT/GTO is that there are so many bad ones only a few people knows what a good one is like to drive. This because they get purchased be people who see a sports car for 3 grand but they dont want to pay the kind of money it takes to keep a car of this type in good shape, hence why most of them are now junkers.
agree with thatIve driven one unfortunatly! My brother had a tuned one (taken in px as hes a trader)my god fast isnt the word but what a awful car! Horridly built tinny interior and it felt like driving a rocket propelled marsh mallow, numb lifefless steering and soft ride even with the aftermarket suspention it had on!
Zero for sure!
As for the 300zx and Supra they are just as bad! The rx7 good looking but flawed......very flawed wankle? more like w
k lol
Zero for sure!
As for the 300zx and Supra they are just as bad! The rx7 good looking but flawed......very flawed wankle? more like w
k lolI've gotta say I drove one expecting it to be really bad, due to "forum / man in pub knowledge" but came away surprisingly impressed. The one I drove was an MR (slightly lighter, fewer gadgets) version, which had strut braces and Apex springs (IIRC) but for its size, it steered pretty well and it certainly had power. Interior was a bit naff (and I like understated, functional japanese interiors so that's saying something) but it was comfortable and not a terrible place to be.
It wasnt so good that I bought it, but by no means was it rubbish.
It wasnt so good that I bought it, but by no means was it rubbish.
GTO Pete said:
tonym911 said:
GTO Pete said:
there are a fair few other bits that are wrong too but i thought as someone who owns a GTO it would appear childish to start picking at every wrong part of the artical.
Seriously, feel free, I'm ugly enough to take it! You'd be performing a public service. A bit of education never hurt anybody.
This article is just wrong wrong wrong!
Lots of electrics, slightly detached driving experience, heavy, 'bloated' bodywork...this car was just way ahead of it's time. If you start to compare it to sports cars half its size then of course you cant throw it around as much, but as a massively capable, fast cruiser its just brilliant.
As people have already noted, if a ferrari 20 years old started to fall apart people would say its par for the course, and its all very well singing the praises of German cars, but I see far more old Jap import performance cars than decent spec BMW's and Mercs on our roads. As with many Jap cars of this era, they don't have the right badge and so they depreciate, get used and abused and 'modded' by barryboys, and yet they still refuse to die. A good original condition car is a completely different prospect.
It's always been a dream car for me and I almost bought one a few months ago...unfortunately a new house was deemed more important...but one day...one day...
Lots of electrics, slightly detached driving experience, heavy, 'bloated' bodywork...this car was just way ahead of it's time. If you start to compare it to sports cars half its size then of course you cant throw it around as much, but as a massively capable, fast cruiser its just brilliant.
As people have already noted, if a ferrari 20 years old started to fall apart people would say its par for the course, and its all very well singing the praises of German cars, but I see far more old Jap import performance cars than decent spec BMW's and Mercs on our roads. As with many Jap cars of this era, they don't have the right badge and so they depreciate, get used and abused and 'modded' by barryboys, and yet they still refuse to die. A good original condition car is a completely different prospect.
It's always been a dream car for me and I almost bought one a few months ago...unfortunately a new house was deemed more important...but one day...one day...
I don't think it's that bad.
Remember when it featured in one of Jeremy Clarkson's videos? It was one of the 10 nominees for "the best handling car in the world". OK, it was outclassed by the likes of the Skyline, Elise, Ferraris and even that Peugeot 106 GTI. But it was there with the best of them.
Remember when it featured in one of Jeremy Clarkson's videos? It was one of the 10 nominees for "the best handling car in the world". OK, it was outclassed by the likes of the Skyline, Elise, Ferraris and even that Peugeot 106 GTI. But it was there with the best of them.
Medic-one said:
Fortunately anyone who's owned these cars or properly driven one would tell something completely different.
If you haven't then you don't know what you're talking about and just copying facts and other internet arcticles means nothing.
Find me one contemporary press review which says anything positive about the way they drive - I'll bet you can't.If you haven't then you don't know what you're talking about and just copying facts and other internet arcticles means nothing.
On the other hand, you can find dozens of complimentary articles on the MkIV Supra and Z32 300ZX.
The GT/GTO's popularity comes on the coattails of the other cheaply-imported Japanese cars that might actually be any good.
They deserve the sparkly dragon stickers (or perhaps a sunstrip with a really crap faux-Kanji script) and nasty chromed pig-iron wheels they nearly all end up with.
dinkel said:
Yup, who has had one and can talk about it?
It made a great first car, taught me how to drive quickly without being lairy on the handling. Mine was running around 375bhp and was pretty reliable, a couple of CV boots, a blown off turbo pipe which needed a new jubilee clip, that was about it.
It's a good looking car in a derivative chestwig type way but I've always heard that looks are deceiving. I suppose when you see the prices of some OK Jap imports you can't argue with the performance (nor the bird-pulling factor) but if I was in the market for a big ole Jap coupe I'd go for the Supra or a Nissan 300ZX / 200SX.
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