RE: PH Zeroes: Mitsubishi 3000GT

[NobleGuy]

Trommel said:

All this talk of reliability is irrelevant - if it was crap to drive when it was launched I doubt it has got any better in the fifteen years since.

I'm not sure you'd call it crap to drive. It was plenty quick enough, although in the twisties you'd have to remember it was meant as a fast crusier. The weight was it's main drawback really, oh and the weak gearbox.

[gentelman]

I'm surprised the article didn't mention the Dodge Stealth!

[tonym911]

gentelman said:

I'm surprised the article didn't mention the Dodge Stealth!

You'll find that on the PH cutting room floor. It was so uninspiring I couldn't bring myself to include it. And I wouldn't want anybody to think I was biased...

[Arklight]

Having owned one i can see why people have such a negative view of them, as a drivers car you do feel quite detached from the experience and the handling isn't quite up to elise standard

But, they do haev their good points as well and the sense of achievment getting that thing round some twisty stuff is certainly worth it!

I think the worst thing about the car is the competition it was put up against, i dont think it fair to compare it to the likes of Skylines, Supra's and Rx7's for example.

[papercup]

Arklight said:

I think the worst thing about the car is the competition it was put up against, i dont think it fair to compare it to the likes of Skylines, Supra's and Rx7's for example.

You are right. All of those had good points.

[EDLT]

I'd just like to say that £1000 for a clutch on a 300hp AWD GT car is pretty cheap. The clutch/dual-mass flywheel on a E46 320d is £1100 + labour.

[cptsideways]

Negative Creep said:

cptsideways said:

Negative Creep said:

The writer said:

In contrast, the Japanese have only recently started to shift from a position of combining German-style engineering arrogance with built-in obsolescence. No Japanese cars of this, or as far as I can see any, era were ever built with home maintenance in mind.

Sorry but this is rubbish. Japanese cars are built in a far more 'logical' way than most European cars. With them you get the impression the designers didn't just think about how it would go together, but how it would come apart again.

The main crux of the argument is that it's rubbish because it will break and cost a lot to fix. So then would that make Alfas and Ferraris rubbish as well?

I can see you've never worked on a 3000gt

Not really indicative of all Japanese cars though is it? Most tend to be a bit simpler

Edited by Negative Creep on Thursday 19th February 14:45

Hence why the :lol:

Compared to 90% of other Jap stuff they are a nightmare, designed from conception to be worked upon by 12 fingered disjointed pigmies with a liking of working blindfolded & knowledge of vacuum pipe layouts only matched by the most anal of nasa scientists

[DPN]

After owning a modified GTO for the past 9 years all i can do after reading this write up is laugh.

It's so far off the truth it's unreal.

Here is my Zero car that no one would ever want to own.





Regards
Dave

[EDLT]

cptsideways said:

designed from conception to be worked upon by 12 fingered disjointed pigmies with a liking of working blindfolded & knowledge of vacuum pipe layouts only matched by the most anal of nasa scientists

So its just a big Renault Megane then?

[E21_Ross]

DPN said:

After owning a modified GTO for the past 9 years all i can do after reading this write up is laugh.

It's so far off the truth it's unreal.

Here is my Zero car that no one would ever want to own.





Regards
Dave

i personally would never want to own that. wouldn't be seen dead in it! prefer more 'silent' power myself...not 'look at me i have a big c*ck, power' if you get what i mean?

bit wheels, silly intake grill, just too boy-racer styling for me. each to their own and as long as you enjoy driving it i got nothing against you. just...no way would i be seen in it!

Edited by E21_Ross on Thursday 19th February 19:56

[tonym911]

DPN said:

After owning a modified GTO for the past 9 years all i can do after reading this write up is laugh.

It's so far off the truth it's unreal.

Here is my Zero car that no one would ever want to own.





Regards
Dave

Congratulations Dave, that is stunning. Pity they didn't come out of the factory like that.

[DPN]

The main problem with GTO/3000gt is that even the newest one is coming up for 10 years old.

Most examples are in a poor state due to bad maintenance or abuse.

Due to these poor examples the 3000GT/GTO badge is getting a really battering.

If you took out a properly maintained model be it modified or in standard trim, you would be very surprised at how good these cars are.

[DPN]

E21_Ross said:

i personally would never want to own that. wouldn't be seen dead in it! prefer more 'silent' power myself...not 'look at me i have a big c*ck, power' if you get what i mean?

bit wheels, silly intake grill, just too boy-racer styling for me. each to their own and as long as you enjoy driving it i got nothing against you. just...no way would i be seen in it!

Edited by E21_Ross on Thursday 19th February 19:56

Apart from the rear spoiler (Which has now been replaced), the alloys and the front mounted intercooler (Or intake grill as you know it) that car is all standard/genuine Mitsubishi panels/parts.

I also own a BMW 323i SE which i am sure would be more your thing.

When it comes to cars i don't take anything personal

Edited by DPN on Thursday 19th February 20:16

Edited by DPN on Thursday 19th February 20:20

[GTO Pete]

tonym911 said:

I ate an oyster once. It took me about a second to realise I'd never eat another one. Not very long, admittedly, but still long enough to form an opinion. I bet, secretly, you formed one on the R8, even on such short acquaintance. Go on! You know you did!! (I'm trying to put a smiley icon on here but it won't have it!).

Ha Ha ha! I thought the R8 had a horrible driving position but I hadnt spent time to move the seat, steering wheel and mirrors about to suit me so its not a real opinion!!

Seriously though, ive driven GTO's that I would not want even if they were free but then you get a good one and they are just as nice as a mkiv supra (I should know because we have two of them in my family!) But you have to look at what the car is- a grand tourer, not something that was ever made to take on lotus or the like and not something that will want to throw you into a bush or set your pants on fire- it will do what you want just without the fuss.

If only it came with a 2jz in it!

Edited by GTO Pete on Thursday 19th February 20:21

[tonym911]

GTO Pete said:

tonym911 said:

I ate an oyster once. It took me about a second to realise I'd never eat another one. Not very long, admittedly, but still long enough to form an opinion. I bet, secretly, you formed one on the R8, even on such short acquaintance. Go on! You know you did!! (I'm trying to put a smiley icon on here but it won't have it!).

Ha Ha ha! I thought the R8 had a horrible driving position but I hadnt spent time to move the seat, steering wheel and mirrors about to suit me so its not a real opinion!!

Seriously though, ive driven GTO's that I would not want even if they were free but then you get a good one and they are just as nice as a mkiv supra (I should know because we have two of them in my family!) But you have to look at what the car is- a grand tourer, not something that was ever made to take on lotus or the like and not something that will want to throw you into a bush or set your pants on fire- it will do what you want just without the fuss.

If only it came with a 2jz in it!

Edited by GTO Pete on Thursday 19th February 20:21

And there we can definitely agree Pete! My R8 experience is almost the same as yours. I sat in a display model in Audi's HQ building and it felt like I was sitting in a bath. Enough to make me realise I'll never own one. Well, that and the fact that I'll never have the money of course.

[tonym911]

I also agree with everyone praising the Mk 4 Supra, a desirable GT by any standards. The Mk 3 though, hmm....

[Wadeski]

E21_Ross said:

intake grill

Spare us the technical talk, Dr. Brainiac!

[Alex_L]

Negative Creep said:

The writer said:

In contrast, the Japanese have only recently started to shift from a position of combining German-style engineering arrogance with built-in obsolescence. No Japanese cars of this, or as far as I can see any, era were ever built with home maintenance in mind.

Sorry but this is rubbish. Japanese cars are built in a far more 'logical' way than most European cars. With them you get the impression the designers didn't just think about how it would go together, but how it would come apart again.

The main crux of the argument is that it's rubbish because it will break and cost a lot to fix. So then would that make Alfas and Ferraris rubbish as well?

I agree, Jap cars are victims of their own success, people expect them to be unbreakable due to their self made reputation....which makes people neglect them a little, and yes things will go wrong. If european/american cars (of that era) are treated in the same way that these things are then they wouldn't last a quater of the time.

Also, a comment about packaging....you give the task of packaging engine components to rover and you'll have things hanging of other things making an insainly ridiculous structure with interesting vibrational properties. What these guys (jap) did was to package three times as much stuff in the same space and better.

[RobPhoboS]

I had one of these cars for just over a year or so, until it started 'Death Rattle'
It amazingly made it to and from Spain (as far west as you can go!), didn't miss a beat, and was lovely driving through their deserts at around 130mph

It was actually quite a characterful car in some ways, and still has a lot of road presence. I just wish the thing didn't weigh sooooooo much, as it would have been more useful on twisties.
These cars still have quite a following, and the local guys who look after these (Eurospec 2000) have some great examples.
Once again, like soo many cars...out of the box, a bit pap. A car for tweaking

[anonymous-user]

I've always quite liked the 3000gt. It's certainly one of the better looking jap sports cars from the 90s. Still looks fresh today IMHO.

I quite like this one apart from the dustbin exhausts

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/894275.htm

Edited by SiTheBad on Thursday 19th February 22:00