RE: Audi RS3 Could Get TT-RS Five Pot

[AstonV12]

btdk5 said:

AstonV12 said:

Audi are on a resurgence at the moment sales and image wise and good on them.

I just can't help thinking that underneath all that glitz and fetish-like styling, they are mostly an ordinary product. Bit like an i-pod really. IMHO

R8 and RS4 aside

Yeah in my opinion I think BMW are a bit too common these days I think audi seems a bit more special.

Not saying that BMW's arent nice cars at all but its nice to have something a bit different.

I'd have to argue that that's no longer the case. I think when it comes to VAG they are fast becoming as popular as BMW/Ford espcially the compact exec and premium hatch stakes.
Also, releasing the Audi TT TDi illustrates that fact.

Audi do make good cars, but soon they will be as common as anything else.

[funkyol]

£35k could get you a 355 or a 911 Turbo....

[joz8968]

Bizzle said:

Michael Dick....

snigger.

[btdk5]

AstonV12 said:

btdk5 said:

AstonV12 said:

Audi are on a resurgence at the moment sales and image wise and good on them.

I just can't help thinking that underneath all that glitz and fetish-like styling, they are mostly an ordinary product. Bit like an i-pod really. IMHO

R8 and RS4 aside

Yeah in my opinion I think BMW are a bit too common these days I think audi seems a bit more special.

Not saying that BMW's arent nice cars at all but its nice to have something a bit different.

I'd have to argue that that's no longer the case. I think when it comes to VAG they are fast becoming as popular as BMW/Ford espcially the compact exec and premium hatch stakes.
Also, releasing the Audi TT TDi illustrates that fact.

Audi do make good cars, but soon they will be as common as anything else.

Well theres no point in arguing opinion vs opinion with no facts involved.

I see a ratio of about 10 bm's to about 2 audi's everyday. Maybe thats just where i live/work.

[btdk5]

funkyol said:

£35k could get you a 355 or a 911 Turbo....

Stop talking about 2nd hand prices it makes no fking sense!!!

What car is a reasonable price when its brand new compared to a second hand rival??

Edited by btdk5 on Tuesday 17th March 15:37

[AstonV12]

btdk5 said:

AstonV12 said:

btdk5 said:

AstonV12 said:

Audi are on a resurgence at the moment sales and image wise and good on them.

I just can't help thinking that underneath all that glitz and fetish-like styling, they are mostly an ordinary product. Bit like an i-pod really. IMHO

R8 and RS4 aside

Yeah in my opinion I think BMW are a bit too common these days I think audi seems a bit more special.

Not saying that BMW's arent nice cars at all but its nice to have something a bit different.

I'd have to argue that that's no longer the case. I think when it comes to VAG they are fast becoming as popular as BMW/Ford espcially the compact exec and premium hatch stakes.
Also, releasing the Audi TT TDi illustrates that fact.

Audi do make good cars, but soon they will be as common as anything else.

Well theres no point in arguing opinion vs opinion with no facts involved.

I see a ratio of about 10 bm's to about 2 audi's everyday. Maybe thats just where i live/work.

My point is BMWs have been common for years with very good reason, and there are arguable as many Audi's where I live - it might be that.

Fact is, Audi as abrand is on the rise and will be as common in the coming years.

[btdk5]

Indeed. The VAG umbrella looks like its going for mass domination.

[turbosei]

Didn't they supposedly stop the RS4 production for the RS6 as they only wanted one RS model at a time? Now everything seems to have an RS version coming out - TT RS, RS5 and now RS3.

There will be people that buy the RS3 just as there are people that buy the X6 and Kia's in metallic pink!

[AstonV12]

btdk5 said:

Indeed. The VAG umbrella looks like its going for mass domination.

We agree on that, although the lines between Audi and VW are becoming increasingly blurred...

So I take it you would have a RS3 then?

[wab172uk]

funkyol said:

£35k could get you a 355 or a 911 Turbo....

And they come with a 3 year warranty do they?

Buying a 8-10 year old sportscar/supercar for the same price as a new car are like chalk and cheese.

The RS3 will be brand new, never thrashed, tracked, crashed etc. It won't need new tyres for the the first year. Won't need new pads/discs for a couple years. And if something goes wrong it's covered by the warranty.

Running costs on a 355 will be a lot more than an RS3.

Audi have always said they'd never build an RS3. If they did I'd buy one. Always like fast Audi's. Old man has had S4's, RS4's and currently drives an R8.

Think Audi will do slightly more to the S3 than shove a new engine under the bonnet. Wider track, lower ride height, Haldex system tweeked. £35k should come with Bucket seats, flat bottomed steering wheel.

Extra's will be Satnav (don't need) and other rubbish extras like parking sensors.

All I'd need is upgraded stereo with Bose speakers.

Will I buy one? Oh yes. Will have to have the 340bhp though.

[mainaman]

This much-lauded five-pot engine,which has been been marketed as Gallardo derived,is actually a turbocharged US Jetta powerplant.It's no secret,but people continue to buy into the ''one bank of the high-revving V10'' crap.What is the connection with the Lambo engine?



Engine
S SE SEL
Type 2.5L 170 horsepower, 177 lbs-ft. torque, 20 valve, DOHC, in-line 5 cylinder engine
Bore 3.25 in (82.5 mm)
Stroke 3.6 in (92.5 mm)
Displacement 151 in3 (2480 cm3)
Compression ratio 9.5:1
Horsepower 170hp @ 5700 (125kW @ 5700)
Maximum torque 177lb/ft @ 4250 (240 Nm @ 4250 rpm)
Fuel requirement Regular Unleaded
Firing order 1-2-4-5-3



Engine Design
S SE SEL
Arrangement Front mounted, transverse
Cylinder Block Cast iron
Crank Shaft Six main bearings
Cylinder Head Aluminum alloy
Valve Train Double overhead camshaft, chain driven with automatic tensioner, four valves per cylinder, maintenance free hydraulic lifters, single coil valve springs
Cooling System Water cooled, water pump, cross flow radiator, double electric PWM controlled radiator fan
Lubrication Chain-driven gear oil pump
Fuel / Air Supply Sequential multi-point fuel injection (Motronic)
Emissions Bin 5 EPA Federal Emissions Concept, PZEV emissions concept for California, OBD II, ORVR (On-board Refueling Vapor Recovery), EVAP (enhanced evaporation system) standards for USA, 3-way catalytic converter. Two oxygen sensors for BIN 5 and three for PZEV

[AstonV12]

Isn't that the same engine in the Mark 4 Golf V5?

[wab172uk]

turbosei said:

Didn't they supposedly stop the RS4 production for the RS6 as they only wanted one RS model at a time?

No. Used to be only one RS model at a time, but they changed that.

RS4 was stopped, as they couldn't produce enough engines for both RS4 and R8.

[AstonV12]

wab172uk said:

funkyol said:

£35k could get you a 355 or a 911 Turbo....

And they come with a 3 year warranty do they?

Buying a 8-10 year old sportscar/supercar for the same price as a new car are like chalk and cheese.

The RS3 will be brand new, never thrashed, tracked, crashed etc. It won't need new tyres for the the first year. Won't need new pads/discs for a couple years. And if something goes wrong it's covered by the warranty.

Running costs on a 355 will be a lot more than an RS3.

Audi have always said they'd never build an RS3. If they did I'd buy one. Always like fast Audi's. Old man has had S4's, RS4's and currently drives an R8.

Think Audi will do slightly more to the S3 than shove a new engine under the bonnet. Wider track, lower ride height, Haldex system tweeked. £35k should come with Bucket seats, flat bottomed steering wheel.

Extra's will be Satnav (don't need) and other rubbish extras like parking sensors.

All I'd need is upgraded stereo with Bose speakers.

Will I buy one? Oh yes. Will have to have the 340bhp though.

All those points are valid, but I think you'd be looking at 40-45k for a new one with a good spec. Most people wouldnt go minimalist.

I sincerley hope they make the changes you describe, otherwise something lesser will run rings round it...

Depreciation might be biblical as well.

Edited by AstonV12 on Tuesday 17th March 16:09

[Cupramax]

mainaman said:

This much-lauded five-pot engine,which has been been marketed as Gallardo derived,is actually a turbocharged US Jetta powerplant.It's no secret,but people continue to buy into the ''one bank of the high-revving V10'' crap.

Unfortunately for you its true, I have a VW tech document on the Jetta engine stating exactly that its derived from the V10...

[c_seven]

I do agree that logically speaking you can't compare second hand with new, but personally speaking car buying decisions are not purely logical. When most people shop for a 'new' car they have a set maximum budget and will consider both new and second hand and select the car that offers them the best value proposition over all. I agree a 355 would be silly as it still costs the same as a new Ferrari to run, but is the comparison between an RS3 and an ex-demo M3 really a silly comparison? I don't and I know I would sacrifice 6 months of warranty for a bespoke V8 coupe against a blown 5 pot hatchback even if M3's are all driven by a certain sort of person (joking).

[Cupramax]

Here you go... http://www.dubspeedracing.com/misc/891403.pdf

Page 32, its only the head thats V10 derived.

[mainaman]

Cupramax said:

Here you go... http://www.dubspeedracing.com/misc/891403.pdf

Page 32, its only the head thats V10 derived.

Well,i thought so.So much for the Gallardo connection

[WTFWT]

Cupramax said:

mainaman said:

This much-lauded five-pot engine,which has been been marketed as Gallardo derived,is actually a turbocharged US Jetta powerplant.It's no secret,but people continue to buy into the ''one bank of the high-revving V10'' crap.

Unfortunately for you its true, I have a VW tech document on the Jetta engine stating exactly that its derived from the V10...

I've been in a Gallardo running on 5 and it was a dog

[Mr Whippy]

Nice.

Just hope it looks a bit 'arder than the one in the picture there. Looks like a top-end diesel one or something.