RE: Jaguar XFR
Discussion
Drove both the 5.0 XFR and XKR at the recent Jag event. They are stunning. It was absolutely pi$$ing it down but the way both cars gripped and fired me up the straight at the proving ground was something I will remember for a long time 
. The XKR was a real gem, it felt way quicker than my old TVR and certainly blitzed my current 4.2XKR, it sounded fantastic and a the quality was amazing. I await with interest to see how the prices do in a years time.
Cheers,
Graham
. The XKR was a real gem, it felt way quicker than my old TVR and certainly blitzed my current 4.2XKR, it sounded fantastic and a the quality was amazing. I await with interest to see how the prices do in a years time. Cheers,
Graham
Edited by ParanoidAndroid on Friday 20th March 09:28
G_T said:
I remember having some garage owner try and tell me my 4.0 V8 was designed and built by Ford.
I was less than impressed.
The Jag V8, as launched in '96 was championed by then head of Jaguar Powertrain, Dave Schupak (sp?) I understand that Ford wanted Jaguar to use Ford's own V8 but Jaguar stood their corner and designed & developed their own. It was entirely designed and developed in Coventry but would have used some of Ford's software to helpwith certain aspects. It would have also used the same suppliers as Ford too but then, so do many other manufacturers.I was less than impressed.
It's built in Bridgened, Wales at Ford's engine plant but Jaguar has it's part of the assembly plant with it's own systems in place.
kambites said:
300bhp/ton said:
every Lotus a Hyundi....
Hey! My car is a Proton, I'll have you know. 
Although reinforces my point - who cares who the friggin parent company is?? I couldn't name a single Proton car or tell you where one of their garages are, on the other hand I'm quite a Lotus fan.
LewisR said:
G_T said:
I remember having some garage owner try and tell me my 4.0 V8 was designed and built by Ford.
I was less than impressed.
The Jag V8, as launched in '96 was championed by then head of Jaguar Powertrain, Dave Schupak (sp?) I understand that Ford wanted Jaguar to use Ford's own V8 but Jaguar stood their corner and designed & developed their own. It was entirely designed and developed in Coventry but would have used some of Ford's software to helpwith certain aspects. It would have also used the same suppliers as Ford too but then, so do many other manufacturers.I was less than impressed.
It's built in Bridgened, Wales at Ford's engine plant but Jaguar has it's part of the assembly plant with it's own systems in place.
Only kidding. Catastrophic failures aside. The JD power survey ranks them as quite reliable I believe.
It's always nice to know the fiddly details for next time some smart arse mechanic with a chip on his shoulder has a go at me.
G_T said:
LewisR said:
G_T said:
I remember having some garage owner try and tell me my 4.0 V8 was designed and built by Ford.
I was less than impressed.
The Jag V8, as launched in '96 was championed by then head of Jaguar Powertrain, Dave Schupak (sp?) I understand that Ford wanted Jaguar to use Ford's own V8 but Jaguar stood their corner and designed & developed their own. It was entirely designed and developed in Coventry but would have used some of Ford's software to helpwith certain aspects. It would have also used the same suppliers as Ford too but then, so do many other manufacturers.I was less than impressed.
It's built in Bridgened, Wales at Ford's engine plant but Jaguar has it's part of the assembly plant with it's own systems in place.
Only kidding. Catastrophic failures aside. The JD power survey ranks them as quite reliable I believe.
It's always nice to know the fiddly details for next time some smart arse mechanic with a chip on his shoulder has a go at me.
And NOT just to Jag, but BMW, Porsche and anyone else who made engines in the same way.
Going back to using steel liners was an answer to a question that was beyond any car companys ability to control.
Just more typical British bulls
t bashing on their own cars - lets forget other car makers had the same problem...... 
300bhp/ton said:
G_T said:
LewisR said:
G_T said:
I remember having some garage owner try and tell me my 4.0 V8 was designed and built by Ford.
I was less than impressed.
The Jag V8, as launched in '96 was championed by then head of Jaguar Powertrain, Dave Schupak (sp?) I understand that Ford wanted Jaguar to use Ford's own V8 but Jaguar stood their corner and designed & developed their own. It was entirely designed and developed in Coventry but would have used some of Ford's software to helpwith certain aspects. It would have also used the same suppliers as Ford too but then, so do many other manufacturers.I was less than impressed.
It's built in Bridgened, Wales at Ford's engine plant but Jaguar has it's part of the assembly plant with it's own systems in place.
Only kidding. Catastrophic failures aside. The JD power survey ranks them as quite reliable I believe.
It's always nice to know the fiddly details for next time some smart arse mechanic with a chip on his shoulder has a go at me.
And NOT just to Jag, but BMW, Porsche and anyone else who made engines in the same way.
Going back to using steel liners was an answer to a question that was beyond any car companys ability to control.
Just more typical British bulls
t bashing on their own cars - lets forget other car makers had the same problem...... I have a Nikasil engine myself and it's a fantastic piece of kit despite my overbearing paranoia about it.
I don't sell British automotive products short. I just choose to laugh with the stereotyping instead of being frustrated by it.
You also forgot to defend the waterpump/tensioner problems and tendancy for XJ's to dissolve in the rain...
G_T said:
300bhp/ton said:
G_T said:
LewisR said:
G_T said:
I remember having some garage owner try and tell me my 4.0 V8 was designed and built by Ford.
I was less than impressed.
The Jag V8, as launched in '96 was championed by then head of Jaguar Powertrain, Dave Schupak (sp?) I understand that Ford wanted Jaguar to use Ford's own V8 but Jaguar stood their corner and designed & developed their own. It was entirely designed and developed in Coventry but would have used some of Ford's software to helpwith certain aspects. It would have also used the same suppliers as Ford too but then, so do many other manufacturers.I was less than impressed.
It's built in Bridgened, Wales at Ford's engine plant but Jaguar has it's part of the assembly plant with it's own systems in place.
Only kidding. Catastrophic failures aside. The JD power survey ranks them as quite reliable I believe.
It's always nice to know the fiddly details for next time some smart arse mechanic with a chip on his shoulder has a go at me.
And NOT just to Jag, but BMW, Porsche and anyone else who made engines in the same way.
Going back to using steel liners was an answer to a question that was beyond any car companys ability to control.
Just more typical British bulls
t bashing on their own cars - lets forget other car makers had the same problem...... I have a Nikasil engine myself and it's a fantastic piece of kit despite my overbearing paranoia about it.
I don't sell British automotive products short. I just choose to laugh with the stereotyping instead of being frustrated by it.
You also forgot to defend the waterpump/tensioner problems and tendancy for XJ's to dissolve in the rain...
its amazing how often the engine failure is sited on the Jags, yet as a rule its totally forgotten on any other marque.
minimatt1967 said:
Miguel said:
Matthew_Eames said:
none of this high revving V10 in a family saloon rubbish, nah a docile V8 is what you want....well one that can rip your face off when required
Extremely well put.
Its all about the bottom end torque!(I am not going to bother testing one because I am keeping the M5 for a while yet and I will not stay married if I keep spending money on cars)
Edited by Zod on Friday 20th March 11:50
Zod said:
minimatt1967 said:
Miguel said:
Matthew_Eames said:
none of this high revving V10 in a family saloon rubbish, nah a docile V8 is what you want....well one that can rip your face off when required
Extremely well put. Its all about the bottom end torque!(I am not going to bother testing one because I am keeping the M5 for a while yet and I will not stay married if I keep spending money on cars)
Edited by Zod on Friday 20th March 11:50
I do get the British bashing thing though, for example many comments on here about the XF looking like a mondeo or not like that concept, not many on BMW forums talking about how they are quite ghastly for the most part. Nor many questioning "Porsche design" which they are now selling watches on the basis of.
Oh and Astons all look the same, which is worse than ferrari who havent made a genuinely good looking car since the 355... somehow.
To be fair, I've seen a lot more BMW design bashing on this forum than any other marque, criticism of Porsche for the complete lack of imagination in their design department and umpteen threads majoring on what everyone has an opinion on, namely the styling of every car imaginable from the Nissan GTR to the new Fiesta.
I think all it proves, ultimately, is that no matter how good or bad a drive a car is, we are all influenced massively by what the car looks like, however much we deny it (though I don't).
If it were any different, we wouldn't need car showrooms because it wouldn't matter what the car looked like, only how it drove.
Much depends on budget and what else you can afford. there is a sort of general idea that if you can afford £30k, you can aford £60k which of course isn't true. In a choice between the Jag and the M5, neither win any beauty contest but the looks of the M5 would be enough to push me towards the Jag and the Audi perhaps shows that being too bland and inoffensive isn't always a good thing - you need some opinion of the car's looks.
I think all it proves, ultimately, is that no matter how good or bad a drive a car is, we are all influenced massively by what the car looks like, however much we deny it (though I don't).
If it were any different, we wouldn't need car showrooms because it wouldn't matter what the car looked like, only how it drove.
Much depends on budget and what else you can afford. there is a sort of general idea that if you can afford £30k, you can aford £60k which of course isn't true. In a choice between the Jag and the M5, neither win any beauty contest but the looks of the M5 would be enough to push me towards the Jag and the Audi perhaps shows that being too bland and inoffensive isn't always a good thing - you need some opinion of the car's looks.
LuS1fer said:
To be fair, I've seen a lot more BMW design bashing on this forum than any other marque, criticism of Porsche for the complete lack of imagination in their design department and umpteen threads majoring on what everyone has an opinion on, namely the styling of every car imaginable from the Nissan GTR to the new Fiesta.
I think all it proves, ultimately, is that no matter how good or bad a drive a car is, we are all influenced massively by what the car looks like, however much we deny it (though I don't).
If it were any different, we wouldn't need car showrooms because it wouldn't matter what the car looked like, only how it drove.
Much depends on budget and what else you can afford. there is a sort of general idea that if you can afford £30k, you can aford £60k which of course isn't true. In a choice between the Jag and the M5, neither win any beauty contest but the looks of the M5 would be enough to push me towards the Jag and the Audi perhaps shows that being too bland and inoffensive isn't always a good thing - you need some opinion of the car's looks.
A far too sensible, accurate and balanced post. 1/10. I think all it proves, ultimately, is that no matter how good or bad a drive a car is, we are all influenced massively by what the car looks like, however much we deny it (though I don't).
If it were any different, we wouldn't need car showrooms because it wouldn't matter what the car looked like, only how it drove.
Much depends on budget and what else you can afford. there is a sort of general idea that if you can afford £30k, you can aford £60k which of course isn't true. In a choice between the Jag and the M5, neither win any beauty contest but the looks of the M5 would be enough to push me towards the Jag and the Audi perhaps shows that being too bland and inoffensive isn't always a good thing - you need some opinion of the car's looks.
You should of started ranting about Astra drivers and young people like the gentleman before you. Now that was good.
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