RE: Jaguar XFR
Discussion
mikEsprit said:
I prefer Jaguars to be instantly recognizable as such.
This ain't that.
don't agree with that. The S-Type was instantly recognisable, as is the X-Type and both look dreadful. The XJ is recognisable instantly. Some love it as a true Jag. Others (me for instance) think it is woefully retro.This ain't that.
Edited by Zod on Saturday 21st March 00:30
Zod said:
minimatt1967 said:
Miguel said:
Matthew_Eames said:
none of this high revving V10 in a family saloon rubbish, nah a docile V8 is what you want....well one that can rip your face off when required
Extremely well put.
Its all about the bottom end torque!Zod said:
I for one find that more fulfilling than driving a torquey, supercharged V8.
It can certainly be more fun under the right circumstances.Zod said:
I know this from experience, unlike some of those commenting (whom I defy to drive an M5 and come away complaining that it is too slow becasue it lacks low end torque).
True, I have not driven a BMW M5 of any generation, but when I comment on these matters, I'm basing my opinions on the cars I have driven (sadly, not owned), which include a 2006 Corvette Z06, Ford GT, Lamborghini Gallardo, Ferrari F430, E46 BMW M3, 6.0 L 6-speed Pontiac GTO (Monaro), and a bunch of others. I know the differences between huge or supercharged engines versus smaller high-revvers. I'm not guessing, and I know my preferences. I have no doubt that the M5 is extremely quick. Simply put, in a large, heavy car, my preference is for it not to require such high revving for it to really move. Thus, my comment above agreeing with Matthew Eames.Zod said:
I tested the B5 and the M5 at length and the B5 didn't give me anything like the thrill of the M5. So, while I respect this XFR immensely and know I would enjoy driving one, I cannot see it pushing my buttons to the same extent as the M5.
That means that it can't possibly push the buttons of others here? I completely agree that the high-revving gems that I drove are much more fun and exciting to drive than the torque monsters. That said, I wouldn't want such an engine in a 4000 lb saloon, and I probably wouldn't want such a car to be my daily driver. OTOH on a smaller car, especially one that I would use occasionally, yes it is a much more exciting drive.Zod said:
(I am not going to bother testing one because I am keeping the M5 for a while yet and I will not stay married if I keep spending money on cars)
As for dealing with the Mrs, you're on your own. 
Miguel
Miguel said:
Zod said:
It's all a matter of personal taste. Those who know and understand high-revving engines know that it's all about using the gearbox and the revs.
Zod said:
I tested the B5 and the M5 at length and the B5 didn't give me anything like the thrill of the M5. So, while I respect this XFR immensely and know I would enjoy driving one, I cannot see it pushing my buttons to the same extent as the M5.
That means that it can't possibly push the buttons of others here? I completely agree that the high-revving gems that I drove are much more fun and exciting to drive than the torque monsters. That said, I wouldn't want such an engine in a 4000 lb saloon, and I probably wouldn't want such a car to be my daily driver. OTOH on a smaller car, especially one that I would use occasionally, yes it is a much more exciting drive.Definetly dont see the Mondeo similarities either, Yes in that red it doesnt look particuarly stunning but pictures dont do this car justice. I wasnt a great fan until i saw one in the flesh and relised its got more class than any current BMW or Mercedes, and well as for Audi there whole range looks the same !!!!
I'd like to say I was wrong.
Over the last few days I've been having a closer look at the XF on the road. And I'm wrong it doesn't look like a Mondeo. However more of a compliment to the Jag, the Mondeo does look rather like the XF on a quick glance (hope that makes sense).
The front of the XF is def the best bit of the car IMO with the pronounced bonnet bulge, surprisingly I find the back of the car the worst stylistically, a bit to tall and flabby looking, but still not too bad.
Over the last few days I've been having a closer look at the XF on the road. And I'm wrong it doesn't look like a Mondeo. However more of a compliment to the Jag, the Mondeo does look rather like the XF on a quick glance (hope that makes sense).
The front of the XF is def the best bit of the car IMO with the pronounced bonnet bulge, surprisingly I find the back of the car the worst stylistically, a bit to tall and flabby looking, but still not too bad.
G_T said:
LuS1fer said:
To be fair, I've seen a lot more BMW design bashing on this forum than any other marque, criticism of Porsche for the complete lack of imagination in their design department and umpteen threads majoring on what everyone has an opinion on, namely the styling of every car imaginable from the Nissan GTR to the new Fiesta.
I think all it proves, ultimately, is that no matter how good or bad a drive a car is, we are all influenced massively by what the car looks like, however much we deny it (though I don't).
If it were any different, we wouldn't need car showrooms because it wouldn't matter what the car looked like, only how it drove.
Much depends on budget and what else you can afford. there is a sort of general idea that if you can afford £30k, you can aford £60k which of course isn't true. In a choice between the Jag and the M5, neither win any beauty contest but the looks of the M5 would be enough to push me towards the Jag and the Audi perhaps shows that being too bland and inoffensive isn't always a good thing - you need some opinion of the car's looks.
A far too sensible, accurate and balanced post. 1/10. I think all it proves, ultimately, is that no matter how good or bad a drive a car is, we are all influenced massively by what the car looks like, however much we deny it (though I don't).
If it were any different, we wouldn't need car showrooms because it wouldn't matter what the car looked like, only how it drove.
Much depends on budget and what else you can afford. there is a sort of general idea that if you can afford £30k, you can aford £60k which of course isn't true. In a choice between the Jag and the M5, neither win any beauty contest but the looks of the M5 would be enough to push me towards the Jag and the Audi perhaps shows that being too bland and inoffensive isn't always a good thing - you need some opinion of the car's looks.
You should of started ranting about Astra drivers and young people like the gentleman before you. Now that was good.
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