Road Cyclists - Rant!
Discussion
Pistuphead said:
Horses are worse, they ride along at a snails pace with their silly hats on, 3 abreast, talking and in a world of their own then don't acknowledge when you crawl past so as not to spook their horse.
A horse rider gave me a wave when I overtook her (slowly) today, so that proves you wrong! 
scz4 said:
I hear what you're saying. But when did a group of cyclists last pull over to let cars past, never! Tractors round this way are pretty good if i am honest, or they'll wave you past. My point is cyclists can ride single file and should when a car approaches. It reduces the time a car on the other side of the road is vulnerable.
Yes, lets worry about the vulnerable driver in a 1.5 tonne steel cage with safety equipment. Forget the cyclist who risks being crushed to death by the driver who can't be bothered to wait for a safe place to overtake, so squeezes past at the earliest opportunity.That's why some cyclists ride two-abreast. If you cannot safely overtake two cyclists abreast, you cannot safely overtake one.
Flibble said:
Pistuphead said:
Horses are worse, they ride along at a snails pace with their silly hats on, 3 abreast, talking and in a world of their own then don't acknowledge when you crawl past so as not to spook their horse.
A horse rider gave me a wave when I overtook her (slowly) today, so that proves you wrong! And what about foreign cars on our roads? They aren't paying for British roads either. Would you want them to pull over too? Lots of foreign lorries to have a go at too. Not to mention Mobility allowance vehicles. They don't pay tax. And what about those invalid scooter things. A menace they are. Not paying tax, I mean.
And then theres the Queen...............
Chiefly said:
Conclusion out of this?
Selfish road users. No one has any respect for each other on the road any more. And its always the car drivers fault of course. Every other road user is allowed to wind a car user up to a huge degree and when the car driver finally snaps does that close overtake - its his fault of course and no one takes any responsibility in the part they played in it.Flibble said:
Pistuphead said:
Horses are worse, they ride along at a snails pace with their silly hats on, 3 abreast, talking and in a world of their own then don't acknowledge when you crawl past so as not to spook their horse.
A horse rider gave me a wave when I overtook her (slowly) today, so that proves you wrong! Parrot of Doom said:
That's why some cyclists ride two-abreast. If you cannot safely overtake two cyclists abreast, you cannot safely overtake one.
Or conversely, if it's safe to overtake two cyclists using the full width of the road then I routinely give single cyclists far too much room and therefore perhaps refuse too many marginal overtakes?
RedAlfa said:
A small number of cyclists are well behaved and responsible, but a large number of them are arrogant and careless. They don't bother indicating, and jump on and off the pavement without warning ... or even looking 
. They go straight through red lights. d
heads!
Read as, a large of number (motorists) are arrogant and careless, they dont bother indicating, dont bother making sure their lights are working, go through amber lights, park where they shouldn't, ignore speed limits....... Dont just tar the cyclists, everyone on the roads are just about equal.. They go straight through red lights. dheads!Edited by RedAlfa on Sunday 22 March 17:50
Except me, I am the best driver I know.
The system used to work ok when I was in cycling clubs but we did used to single out when we knew cars were behind.
I guess now with so many cars singling out would be pointless as you would never get back in twos.
So now it seems cyclists don't seem to help other road users.
But there again why should they I am held up all the time in queues of twenty or more cars while the myopic front of the queue dawdles at 30mph on an NSL road or a tractor never pulls in or a HGV etc etc.
I have also been overtaken when riding solo by motorists squeezing between me and an oncoming car passing at 60-90mph leaving six inches between my handlebars and their cars as they pass.
Would they drive a car at 90mph past their mother standing in the road leaving six inches to spare?
I guess now with so many cars singling out would be pointless as you would never get back in twos.
So now it seems cyclists don't seem to help other road users.
But there again why should they I am held up all the time in queues of twenty or more cars while the myopic front of the queue dawdles at 30mph on an NSL road or a tractor never pulls in or a HGV etc etc.
I have also been overtaken when riding solo by motorists squeezing between me and an oncoming car passing at 60-90mph leaving six inches between my handlebars and their cars as they pass.
Would they drive a car at 90mph past their mother standing in the road leaving six inches to spare?
tinman0 said:
Chiefly said:
Conclusion out of this?
Selfish road users. No one has any respect for each other on the road any more. And its always the car drivers fault of course. Every other road user is allowed to wind a car user up to a huge degree and when the car driver finally snaps does that close overtake - its his fault of course and no one takes any responsibility in the part they played in it.will_ said:
tinman0 said:
Chiefly said:
Conclusion out of this?
Selfish road users. No one has any respect for each other on the road any more. And its always the car drivers fault of course. Every other road user is allowed to wind a car user up to a huge degree and when the car driver finally snaps does that close overtake - its his fault of course and no one takes any responsibility in the part they played in it.For the roads to work there needs to be a bit of give and take. And its that give and take that is sadly lacking today.
Holding up other road users and then being surprised when they are angry that you've held them up minute after minute is disingenuous. Heaven forbid that a cyclist actually lets tailgating traffic past.
Trouble is that every road user today is equally unsympathetic to each others causes whether its bikers, cyclist, coach drivers, motor caravan owners, caravan owners, car drivers, lorry drivers, etc. Rarely does anyone give each other a break, and the resulting melee is what you read about today.
tinman0 said:
will_ said:
tinman0 said:
Chiefly said:
Conclusion out of this?
Selfish road users. No one has any respect for each other on the road any more. And its always the car drivers fault of course. Every other road user is allowed to wind a car user up to a huge degree and when the car driver finally snaps does that close overtake - its his fault of course and no one takes any responsibility in the part they played in it.For the roads to work there needs to be a bit of give and take. And its that give and take that is sadly lacking today.
Holding up other road users and then being surprised when they are angry that you've held them up minute after minute is disingenuous. Heaven forbid that a cyclist actually lets tailgating traffic past.
Trouble is that every road user today is equally unsympathetic to each others causes whether its bikers, cyclist, coach drivers, motor caravan owners, caravan owners, car drivers, lorry drivers, etc. Rarely does anyone give each other a break, and the resulting melee is what you read about today.
sense of proportion (by the f
king vanload for you lot) required down here please.carbonjunkie said:
minute after minute? surely not? not WHOLE minutes? ENTIRE minutes? jesus, ban them all and have them shot. Thats WHOLE MINUTES of your life that you could have spent staring at the tail lights of the old duffer driving at 40 half a mile up the road instead.
sense of proportion (by the fking vanload for you lot) required down here please.
I think its you that requires the sense of proportion.sense of proportion (by the f
king vanload for you lot) required down here please.As I said, roads users need a bit of give and take. I'm assuming from your 'outburst' that you don't believe that. That is why today we are in this position of having many road users who have no consideration for anyone else.
tinman0 said:
carbonjunkie said:
minute after minute? surely not? not WHOLE minutes? ENTIRE minutes? jesus, ban them all and have them shot. Thats WHOLE MINUTES of your life that you could have spent staring at the tail lights of the old duffer driving at 40 half a mile up the road instead.
sense of proportion (by the fking vanload for you lot) required down here please.
I think its you that requires the sense of proportion.sense of proportion (by the f
king vanload for you lot) required down here please.As I said, roads users need a bit of give and take. I'm assuming from your 'outburst' that you don't believe that. That is why today we are in this position of having many road users who have no consideration for anyone else.
carbonjunkie said:
calm down, i'm only taking the piss. i can honestly say that in 25 years of cycling, the most i have ever held traffic up is when i had to drive 30 miles at 50mph on the space saver. and yes, i did pull over.
Apologies, I have a sense of humour failure over this issue.Ah well, a summer in the Alps looms with the bikers and their double standards. Fun.
tinman0 said:
carbonjunkie said:
calm down, i'm only taking the piss. i can honestly say that in 25 years of cycling, the most i have ever held traffic up is when i had to drive 30 miles at 50mph on the space saver. and yes, i did pull over.
Apologies, I have a sense of humour failure over this issue.Ah well, a summer in the Alps looms with the bikers and their double standards. Fun.
tinman0 said:
will_ said:
tinman0 said:
Chiefly said:
Conclusion out of this?
Selfish road users. No one has any respect for each other on the road any more. And its always the car drivers fault of course. Every other road user is allowed to wind a car user up to a huge degree and when the car driver finally snaps does that close overtake - its his fault of course and no one takes any responsibility in the part they played in it.For the roads to work there needs to be a bit of give and take. And its that give and take that is sadly lacking today.
Holding up other road users and then being surprised when they are angry that you've held them up minute after minute is disingenuous. Heaven forbid that a cyclist actually lets tailgating traffic past.
Trouble is that every road user today is equally unsympathetic to each others causes whether its bikers, cyclist, coach drivers, motor caravan owners, caravan owners, car drivers, lorry drivers, etc. Rarely does anyone give each other a break, and the resulting melee is what you read about today.
will_ said:
Where is the "give" from the car driver? Not running the cyclist over?
Driving patiently and courteously around cyclists? It would be nice if all drivers heeded :
163 Overtake only when it is safe and legal to do so. You should
- give motorcyclists, cyclists and horse riders at least as much room as you would when overtaking a car (see Rules 211-215)
169 Do not hold up a long queue of traffic, especially if you are driving a large or slow-moving vehicle. Check your mirrors frequently, and if necessary, pull in where it is safe and let traffic pass.
Then everyone would be happy.
Although I generally let the world go by at its own pace, I let those zip past me who want to, and I am always nice to other drivers, letting lorries, bus's out etc, and cars of course, but have you notice a little annoying thing which has creaped in over the couple of years. Councils spend loads of dosh, making lovely pull in lay by's for bus's, so traffic can keep moving whilst the bus picks up passengers etc.......
Then the local bus company buys bendy bus's, back to square one, traffic at a standstill whilst the bus driver does his thing
Then the local bus company buys bendy bus's, back to square one, traffic at a standstill whilst the bus driver does his thing
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