'Organised' cycle racing on the roads ...

[heebeegeetee]

Will somebody please, please, please, please, please tell me how i avoid paying tax by riding a treader. I never figured out how to do it, but i'm constantly being told here on PH that cyclists pay no tax! How??!! How do they do it???!!! How do you buy anything without paying tax? Even your cash is taxed. Or is every cyclist called Del Trotter?

Oh, BG, that motorsport on open public roads happens in your neck of the woods a lot, so i'm delighted to hear you're not aware of it. We're always worried about our social impact. .

[Alfanatic]

heebeegeetee said:

zakelwe said:

I'm sorry but cyclists pay no road tax.

When i was a cyclist, i was paying £3,000 in VED, but nothing in "road tax", that i was aware of.

Which would be brilliant for you in Zakelwe's higher privileges for those who pay more VED scheme. It means every time you pulled up behind the £180 disc on his merc he'd have to pull over and let you past.

Poledriver said:

23 pages and still going strong wrong!
Why shouldn't cyclists pay tax to use the roads? The argument that most of them pay road tax on their cars doesn't hold, I've got 3 cars and have to tax them all, but can only use one at a time! And the argument that cyclists don't need to be licenced so shouldn't pay tax is stupid, maybe it would be a lot better if they did have to pass a test and gain a licence, they could then preach about road use and safety!

You mean a test over and above the test most cyclists passed when they earned their drivers licence?

Edited by Alfanatic on Saturday 28th March 19:46

[heebeegeetee]

Alfanatic said:

heebeegeetee said:

zakelwe said:

I'm sorry but cyclists pay no road tax.

When i was a cyclist, i was paying £3,000 in VED, but nothing in "road tax", that i was aware of.

Which would be brilliant for you in Zakelwe's higher privileges for those who pay more VED scheme. It means every time you pulled up behind the £180 disc on his merc he'd have to pull over and let you past.

[new in today]

Can I just point out to the hard of thinking just one reason why cycles aren't deemed to need to pay road tax.

VED or road tax was originally introduced so that motors would pay their own way in creating the infrastructure neccessary to allow them to block up the roads.

If a multi lane bridge is required to get 40 tonne juggernaut from a to b then the 40 tonne juggernaughts should pay nes pas?

If cycles were the only transport we would have a cheap network of cycle lanes not multi lane highways and two mile long bridges 300ft high.

There is also the question of the general age of cyclists. Most bikes are riden by kids who are too young to earn a wage and therefore pay any tax.

There is also the question of what causes greater damage to the existing road network. A few cyclists weighing around 90kg on skinny tyres or thousands of cars and wagons.

We won't go into the fact that older cyclists already pay tax on their cars / council tax or even if they use public transport in the fares they pay..

next.

[Balmoral Green]

heebeegeetee said:

Oh, BG, that motorsport on open public roads happens in your neck of the woods a lot, so i'm delighted to hear you're not aware of it. We're always worried about our social impact. .

Racing, actually racing? on 'open' public roads?

I don't know what event it is and what you are doing, but you're going to have to name it to prove to me that it actually is a 'race' and the roads aren't closed to the public whilst this 'racing' is going on.

I'll see you.

Edited by Balmoral Green on Saturday 28th March 20:33

[interloper]

Balmoral Green said:

heebeegeetee said:

Oh, BG, that motorsport on open public roads happens in your neck of the woods a lot, so i'm delighted to hear you're not aware of it. We're always worried about our social impact. .

Racing, actually racing? on 'open' public roads?

I don't know what event it is and what you are doing, but you're going to have to name it to prove to me that it actually is a 'race' and the roads aren't closed to the public whilst this 'racing' is going on.

I'll see you.

Edited by Balmoral Green on Saturday 28th March 20:33

Road racing? Errr no but you do get legal road rallying on public roads at night. Can't help but wonder if bike time trials/racing were to be banned, they same sort of thinking could get night rallying banned as well.

[Flanders.]

new in today said:

Can I just point out to the hard of thinking just one reason why cycles aren't deemed to need to pay road tax.

VED or road tax was originally introduced so that motors would pay their own way in creating the infrastructure neccessary to allow them to block up the roads.

If a multi lane bridge is required to get 40 tonne juggernaut from a to b then the 40 tonne juggernaughts should pay nes pas?

If cycles were the only transport we would have a cheap network of cycle lanes not multi lane highways and two mile long bridges 300ft high.

There is also the question of the general age of cyclists. Most bikes are riden by kids who are too young to earn a wage and therefore pay any tax.

There is also the question of what causes greater damage to the existing road network. A few cyclists weighing around 90kg on skinny tyres or thousands of cars and wagons.

We won't go into the fact that older cyclists already pay tax on their cars / council tax or even if they use public transport in the fares they pay..

next.

If the cars and trucks didn't pay for it, how would the bikers use it?



Next!

[heebeegeetee]

Balmoral Green said:

heebeegeetee said:

Oh, BG, that motorsport on open public roads happens in your neck of the woods a lot, so i'm delighted to hear you're not aware of it. We're always worried about our social impact. .

Racing, actually racing? on 'open' public roads?

I don't know what event it is and what you are doing, but you're going to have to name it to prove to me that it actually is a 'race' and the roads aren't closed to the public whilst this 'racing' is going on.

I'll see you.

I never said racing, I said motorsport. And one of the biggest events is on up your way next weekend.

[Alfanatic]

Flanders. said:

new in today said:

Can I just point out to the hard of thinking just one reason why cycles aren't deemed to need to pay road tax.

VED or road tax was originally introduced so that motors would pay their own way in creating the infrastructure neccessary to allow them to block up the roads.

If a multi lane bridge is required to get 40 tonne juggernaut from a to b then the 40 tonne juggernaughts should pay nes pas?

If cycles were the only transport we would have a cheap network of cycle lanes not multi lane highways and two mile long bridges 300ft high.

There is also the question of the general age of cyclists. Most bikes are riden by kids who are too young to earn a wage and therefore pay any tax.

There is also the question of what causes greater damage to the existing road network. A few cyclists weighing around 90kg on skinny tyres or thousands of cars and wagons.

We won't go into the fact that older cyclists already pay tax on their cars / council tax or even if they use public transport in the fares they pay..

next.

If the cars and trucks didn't pay for it, how would the bikers use it?



Next!

[heebeegeetee]

Flanders. said:

new in today said:

Can I just point out to the hard of thinking just one reason why cycles aren't deemed to need to pay road tax.

VED or road tax was originally introduced so that motors would pay their own way in creating the infrastructure neccessary to allow them to block up the roads.

If a multi lane bridge is required to get 40 tonne juggernaut from a to b then the 40 tonne juggernaughts should pay nes pas?

If cycles were the only transport we would have a cheap network of cycle lanes not multi lane highways and two mile long bridges 300ft high.

There is also the question of the general age of cyclists. Most bikes are riden by kids who are too young to earn a wage and therefore pay any tax.

There is also the question of what causes greater damage to the existing road network. A few cyclists weighing around 90kg on skinny tyres or thousands of cars and wagons.

We won't go into the fact that older cyclists already pay tax on their cars / council tax or even if they use public transport in the fares they pay..

next.

If the cars and trucks didn't pay for it, how would the bikers use it?



Next!

In the same way that they did do at the time. Many (most?) of the older, traditional car companies stemmed from business that were producing bicycles. Those bikes weren't riding on grass at the time.

[paulrockliffe]

Wow, seriously kids, SHUT UP. It's ALL been said already, you've nothing more to add to this thread. Thanks.

[groomi]

interloper said:

Can't help but wonder if bike time trials/racing were to be banned, they same sort of thinking could get night rallying banned as well.

IIRC, way back when, cycle races on the public road were actually banned. During this time (I'll really have to look up when it was), local cycle clubs got together to organise individual time trials using courses which they gave a code to so that they could tell each other the TT was taking place on the K20/45 course and no walls with ears would know what they're talking about. The TT's also used to happen at rediculous-o'clock in the morning.

[zakelwe]

I was driving to the off licence to get some beers and a lone cyclist was passed by the women in front and me. He was riding fine, no problem. We come to a t-junction and she is going left so indicates and point the car the way she wants and starts to watch the road as there in approaching traffic from the right. The cyclist passes me and then goes up the inside of her in the 2 foot gap between road and kerb. Of course the inevitable happens, she goes and the cyclist nearly gets skittled over the payment, to which he gave her a dirty look and mumbled.

So, the question arises, why doesn't my offlicence open till 11am? I had to drive to Sainsbury's. I'm all for off licences over big supermarkets but they don't make it easy for themselves.

I'm about to alter my handlebars on my bike as they are too racey, fix my wifes gears so it will actually go into the big cog ( brand new bike !) and put the handlebars up on my daughters bike so she does not knock her ever growing knees. All with some Old Pec,Speckled hen and badgers.. luvly.

Then I have to throw some chicken st. Not at cyclists s as you might think, but the garden.

Regards

Andy

[M400 NBL]

Some Smart cars cost £35 to tax. That's with an engine and 4 tyres. I would happily pay the 1p that would cover a bicycle, but as it cost far more to raise the paper work and post it to me, it won't happen.

[Alfanatic]

zakelwe said:

I was driving to the off licence to get some beers and a lone cyclist was passed by the women in front and me. He was riding fine, no problem. We come to a t-junction and she is going left so indicates and point the car the way she wants and starts to watch the road as there in approaching traffic from the right. The cyclist passes me and then goes up the inside of her in the 2 foot gap between road and kerb. Of course the inevitable happens, she goes and the cyclist nearly gets skittled over the payment, to which he gave her a dirty look and mumbled.

So, the question arises, why doesn't my offlicence open till 11am? I had to drive to Sainsbury's. I'm all for off licences over big supermarkets but they don't make it easy for themselves.

[Balmoral Green]

heebeegeetee said:

Oh, BG, that motorsport on open public roads happens in your neck of the woods a lot.

Balmoral Green said:

Racing, actually racing? on 'open' public roads?

heebeegeetee said:

I never said racing, I said motorsport. And one of the biggest events is on up your way next weekend.

Oh, so you mean driving around on public roads, just like the rest of us, but with numbers and stickers

Edited by Balmoral Green on Sunday 29th March 14:17

[Poledriver]

Alfanatic said:

Poledriver said:

23 pages and still going strong wrong!
Why shouldn't cyclists pay tax to use the roads? The argument that most of them pay road tax on their cars doesn't hold, I've got 3 cars and have to tax them all, but can only use one at a time! And the argument that cyclists don't need to be licenced so shouldn't pay tax is stupid, maybe it would be a lot better if they did have to pass a test and gain a licence, they could then preach about road use and safety!

You mean a test over and above the test most cyclists passed when they earned their drivers licence?

a) Not all cyclists have a driving licence
b) The driving test teaches you nothing about riding bikes (Thank God!)
c) A person who has passed their test in a car still needs to pass another test to ride a Motorcycle!

[Alfanatic]

Poledriver said:

a) Not all cyclists have a driving licence

I'll bet all the ones talking about road use and safety on this thread do.

Poledriver said:

b) The driving test teaches you nothing about riding bikes (Thank God!)

It teaches you nothing about driving a car either. It tests your knowledge of traffic laws and your capacity to use the roads safely. Licenced drivers don't forget their roadcraft the second they climb on a bicycle, though some might choose to ignore it, just like some do in a car. Thus a driver who also cycles has as much right to preach about road safety as a driver who does not cycle. Or anyone else who has experience of using a road in any way.

Poledriver said:

c) A person who has passed their test in a car still needs to pass another test to ride a Motorcycle!

Would this person then be allowed to preach using a megaphone? What if they ride a bicycle too?

Edited by Alfanatic on Sunday 29th March 15:09

[heebeegeetee]

Balmoral Green said:

heebeegeetee said:

Oh, BG, that motorsport on open public roads happens in your neck of the woods a lot.

Balmoral Green said:

Racing, actually racing? on 'open' public roads?

heebeegeetee said:

I never said racing, I said motorsport. And one of the biggest events is on up your way next weekend.

Oh, so you mean driving around on public roads, just like the rest of us, but with numbers and stickers

Er, yes, but competitively, officially ratified with championships. you have to be able to pedal quickly and work with your navigator,etc. The East mids champs is highly competitive, you'd never win unless you were really good. Don't make the mistake of thinking nighttime events are the same as daylight ones.

[Albert Herring]

Roads aren't for cars, lorries, bikes, milkfloats or horse-drawn carriages; they're for people.

(With which hippy ramblings I shall take the remains of this whiskey up to bed.)