RE: SOTW: Porsche 924S

[Motorrad]

Wasnt't the engine block originally of Audi origin?

[Strawman]

Motorrad said:

Wasnt't the engine block originally of Audi origin?

Yes, and it uses lots of VW parts, the 924 was going to be the replacement for the Karman Ghia and VW commissioned Porsche to design it for them, but then decided they didn't want it. So Porsche bought the IPR for a knockdown price and made it themselves.

[jjwprestidge]

The 924 championship only allows the 2 litre cars, unless the rules have radically changed in the last couple of years.

JP

[GC8]

Strawman said:

Motorrad said:

Wasnt't the engine block originally of Audi origin?

Yes, and it uses lots of VW parts, the 924 was going to be the replacement for the Karman Ghia and VW commissioned Porsche to design it for them, but then decided they didn't want it. So Porsche bought the IPR for a knockdown price and made it themselves.

More accurately it was a DKW engine (OHV originally), designed when DKW was owned by Mercedes. Auto Union aquired the engine when it bought DKW and Volkswagon aquired it when the bought Auto Union / AUDI. AUDI later upgraded the engine to an OHC design which they used in the AUDI 100 saloon. Porsche took this AUDI engine and redesgined the cylinder head and added a forged steel cranshaft and fuel injection. Some time later VW used a low compression version of the OHC AUDI engine in a T2. This base engine design is still used by VAG and if you look at the current 1.8 litre 20v turbo engines, you can still see the blanked off camshaft hole in the block (not seen myself, but Im told by a highly respected Porsche engine builder): but know-it-alls dont seem as keen to refer to this engine as a 'VW van engine'.....

[BoRED S2upid]

Great car. I had the 944S2 but was very close to getting a 924S.

[Muzzer]

At £1k with low mileage and a new MOT.....I'd have that

[shoestring7]

GC8 said:

Strawman said:

Motorrad said:

Wasnt't the engine block originally of Audi origin?

Yes, and it uses lots of VW parts, the 924 was going to be the replacement for the Karman Ghia and VW commissioned Porsche to design it for them, but then decided they didn't want it. So Porsche bought the IPR for a knockdown price and made it themselves.

More accurately it was a DKW engine (OHV originally), designed when DKW was owned by Mercedes. Auto Union aquired the engine when it bought DKW and Volkswagon aquired it when the bought Auto Union / AUDI. AUDI later upgraded the engine to an OHC design which they used in the AUDI 100 saloon. Porsche took this AUDI engine and redesgined the cylinder head and added a forged steel cranshaft and fuel injection. Some time later VW used a low compression version of the OHC AUDI engine in a T2. This base engine design is still used by VAG and if you look at the current 1.8 litre 20v turbo engines, you can still see the blanked off camshaft hole in the block (not seen myself, but Im told by a highly respected Porsche engine builder): but know-it-alls dont seem as keen to refer to this engine as a 'VW van engine'.....

Good grief you lot; the 924S has a 2.5 litre Porsche designed and built 4 cylinder engine that is in effect 1/2 of the 928's V8. It uses balancer shafts and was finally developed into the 240bhp 16v 3litre 968 engine and the 250bhp 2.5l 944turbo motor. A turbo protoype 944 even ran at Le Mans in the early 80's.

It has nothing in common with the earlier 2l engine of Audi origin.

SS7

Edited by shoestring7 on Friday 27th March 12:43

[Chris71]

Neomagic said:

They go alright, my dad had a later 160bhp one which I found alright.

I had one of last MO30 ones and it was quite brisk in the higher gears.

They're lighter and slipperier than the contemporary 2.5 944. A lot of car for the money.

[GC8]

shoestring7 said:

GC8 said:

Strawman said:

Motorrad said:

Wasnt't the engine block originally of Audi origin?

Yes, and it uses lots of VW parts, the 924 was going to be the replacement for the Karman Ghia and VW commissioned Porsche to design it for them, but then decided they didn't want it. So Porsche bought the IPR for a knockdown price and made it themselves.

More accurately it was a DKW engine (OHV originally), designed when DKW was owned by Mercedes. Auto Union aquired the engine when it bought DKW and Volkswagon aquired it when the bought Auto Union / AUDI. AUDI later upgraded the engine to an OHC design which they used in the AUDI 100 saloon. Porsche took this AUDI engine and redesgined the cylinder head and added a forged steel cranshaft and fuel injection. Some time later VW used a low compression version of the OHC AUDI engine in a T2. This base engine design is still used by VAG and if you look at the current 1.8 litre 20v turbo engines, you can still see the blanked off camshaft hole in the block (not seen myself, but Im told by a highly respected Porsche engine builder): but know-it-alls dont seem as keen to refer to this engine as a 'VW van engine'.....

Good grief you lot; the 924S has a 2.5 litre Porsche designed and built 4 cylinder engine that is in effect 1/2 of the 928's V8. It uses balancer shafts and was finally developed into the 240bhp 16v 3litre 968 engine and the 250bhp 2.5l 944turbo motor. A turbo protoype 944 even ran at Le Mans in the early 80's.

It has nothing in common with the earlier 2l engine of Audi origin.

SS7

Edited by shoestring7 on Friday 27th March 12:43

I realise that: I was ranting about the nonsense written in the original article about it having a 'VW van engine'... It never fails to get my goat.

[pbirkett]

shoestring7 said:

Neomagic said:

Great cars, still very underpowered though.

150bhp and 1300kgs isn't too shabby, especially when it handles as nicely as a good 924S. I tracked one and enjoyed hunting down Caterhams in it.

SS7

1300kg WTF? Is it made of lead or something?

[oagent]

GC8 said:

I realise that: I was ranting about the nonsense written in the original article about it having a 'VW van engine'... It never fails to get my goat.

In the same way that a 356 had a VW beetle engine I suppose...

[GC8]

They dont weight 1300kilos. They weight about the same as a series one 944, which would be 1180kgs-1200-kgs. The 'oval dash' series two 944s weighed a good deal more though.

[Rarst]

Quality shed!

Colour is very of its time, just slap some spandau ballet on the stereo;

Gold!
Always believe in your soul
Youve got the power to know
Youre indestructable
Always believe in,because you are
Gold!

Quite appropriate really

[Belfast Boy]

AHH nice little Porker, I was considering one of these a few years ago but gave in to a Caged Celica GT4 for a little more money.

better than ROWE 75 jobbie!

[bencollins]

GC8 said:

shoestring7 said:

GC8 said:

Strawman said:

Motorrad said:

Wasnt't the engine block originally of Audi origin?

Yes, and it uses lots of VW parts, the 924 was going to be the replacement for the Karman Ghia and VW commissioned Porsche to design it for them, but then decided they didn't want it. So Porsche bought the IPR for a knockdown price and made it themselves.

More accurately it was a DKW engine (OHV originally), designed when DKW was owned by Mercedes. Auto Union aquired the engine when it bought DKW and Volkswagon aquired it when the bought Auto Union / AUDI. AUDI later upgraded the engine to an OHC design which they used in the AUDI 100 saloon. Porsche took this AUDI engine and redesgined the cylinder head and added a forged steel cranshaft and fuel injection. Some time later VW used a low compression version of the OHC AUDI engine in a T2. This base engine design is still used by VAG and if you look at the current 1.8 litre 20v turbo engines, you can still see the blanked off camshaft hole in the block (not seen myself, but Im told by a highly respected Porsche engine builder): but know-it-alls dont seem as keen to refer to this engine as a 'VW van engine'.....

Good grief you lot; the 924S has a 2.5 litre Porsche designed and built 4 cylinder engine that is in effect 1/2 of the 928's V8. It uses balancer shafts and was finally developed into the 240bhp 16v 3litre 968 engine and the 250bhp 2.5l 944turbo motor. A turbo protoype 944 even ran at Le Mans in the early 80's.

It has nothing in common with the earlier 2l engine of Audi origin.

SS7

Edited by shoestring7 on Friday 27th March 12:43

I realise that: I was ranting about the nonsense written in the original article about it having a 'VW van engine'... It never fails to get my goat.

........and thats why i read "comments".
Amongst the tedious whining about the shape of indicators etc there is some genuinely interesting info and proper knowledge with the occasional worthy gag.
Ta!

[pSyCoSiS]

Good SOTW!

Nice to see a trusty old German motor on there again !

[HAB]

Probably the best value drivers car on the market imho, and one of the all-time great modern front-engined/RWD chassis.

The 944 is marginally the better handling, probably due to wider track and quicker rack. The 924S and early dash pre '85 944 are the most fun of the whole 924/44/68 range, in my experience.

They're a lot lighter than the later models with the updated interior. (1180 vs 1350). Makes a big difference to the way they drive. My old '84 944 was one of the best handling cars I've ever driven, and was still a very quick point to point car.

[wildcat45]

Brings back the memories....I had two in that very colour...They were made by Corgi.

Kid across the road had a gorgeous black 924 - Brand new on a T plate back in 1978/9.

I have always liked these cars more than the traditional Porkers....Dunno why, I suppose I buy into the VW sourced engine and bits inside the cabin.

Why with som many run-of-the-mill parts are they so expensive to run?

[HAB]

wildcat45 said:

I have always liked these cars more than the traditional Porkers....Dunno why, I suppose I buy into the VW sourced engine and bits inside the cabin.

Why with som many run-of-the-mill parts are they so expensive to run?

There's not that many VAG parts on the S model 924, mostly cosmetic interior stuff. Genuine Porsche parts aren't that expensive anyway, no more so than most, if you know where to look.

[RichardR]

There's another one on AutoTrader for the same money but with slightly higher mileage, still with the full history etc.

They are very tempting...