Link to petition AGAINST the car scrappage scheme

[stewartcampbell]

If you are against this scheme to offer owners of cars over 9 years old £2000 towards the cost of a new car to scrap their old one sign this.
http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/No-to-Scrappage/#...

[peaktorque]

Done.

[castex]

Done.

[tom2019]

i can see people with f50 / f40's really going for this one !

[NiceCupOfTea]

There are at least 3 anti petitions with a total of less than 200 votes, and a for petition with nearly 2000!

There are a lot of idiots in this country who are just blinded by the phrase "£2000 towards a new car"

[dave_s13]

Is there a thread running on this. My old man was on about it, I told him it was a daft idea but want to know more?

[qazfghjplm]

(Genuine Question) - Could someone explain why this is a bad "scheme"?

[dave_s13]

One reason.

It entirely contradicts the govts current stance on climate change; sustainability, recycling, global warming, all that cobblers. We are paying tax based on how much our cars "pollute" yet they are encouraging you to buy a new car.....the process of which generates far more pollution/waste than keeping the old one running.

I does sound a good idea in principle but I suspect the terms and conditions attached will make worth very little to very many.

Like I said above. Have the ins and outs been discussed on here yet?

I may be entirely wrong though, it may even maen I can chop my S reg Rover 200 in for something decent!

[dave_s13]

found it

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

[NiceCupOfTea]

qazfghjplm said:

(Genuine Question) - Could someone explain why this is a bad "scheme"?

• it will result in a lot of perfectly good useable cars (and future classics) being scrapped needlessly

• it will cost the taxpayer a fortune

• it will make it impossible to buy a car for less than £2000 - why sell it when you could trade it in to be scrapped more easily?

• it will make it impossible to find spares for the remaining older cars on the road as so many will have been scrapped

• many interesting and rare cars will simply die out as people scrap them to make way for something boring

• a lot of independant specialists who work on older cars will go to the wall (and other related companies making legacy parts and providing services)

• it will create more debt as people with perfectly good paid for older cars scrap them and turn up at dealers with a £2k cheque ready to sign on the dotted line for finance for the other 10k for a poverty spec Kia

• it's a temporary fix, it will just suspend the slump for the duration of the scheme. And when everybody has nice new cars, what then? Tough times for everybody, is the government going to bail out every industry?

• on an esoteric note it will mean the roads will be an even duller place than now with tedious modern ecoboxes everywhere

• doing it for environmental reasons is a joke - is it better to run a 20 year old car, or destroy it (creating pollution) and build a new car (creating pollution), repeating every 3 or 4 years?

It is an absolute joke, being pushed through by car manufacturers (surprise surprise, what benefit would it have for them!?) and others who would benefit from this (Certain car magazine owning media groups that benefit from advertising and new car sales, perchance?) - and come election time all Joe "idiot" Public will remember is that nice Mr.Brown giving him a cheque for £2k (whilst forgetting the extra £2k he will have had to pay in tax). I wonder why the government want to push this through as well?

Edited by NiceCupOfTea on Friday 3rd April 21:26

Edited by NiceCupOfTea on Friday 3rd April 21:57

[stewartcampbell]

NiceCupOfTea said:

qazfghjplm said:

(Genuine Question) - Could someone explain why this is a bad "scheme"?

• it will result in a lot of perfectly good useable cars (and future classics) being scrapped needlessly

• it will cost the taxpayer a fortune

• it will make it impossible to buy a car for less than £2000 - why sell it when you could trade it in to be scrapped more easily?

• it will make it impossible to find spares for the remaining older cars on the road as so many will have been scrapped

• many interesting and rare cars will simply die out as people scrap them to make way for something boring

• a lot of independant specialists who work on older cars will go to the wall (and other related companies making legacy parts and providing services)

• it will create more debt as people with perfectly good paid for older cars scrap them and turn up at dealers with a £2k cheque ready to sign on the dotted line for finance for the other 10k for a poverty spec Kia

• on an esoteric note it will mean the roads will be an even duller place than now with tedious modern ecoboxes everywhere

• doing it for environmental reasons is a joke - is it better to run a 20 year old car, or destroy it (creating pollution) and build a new car (creating pollution), repeating every 3 or 4 years?

It is an absolute joke, being pushed through by car manufacturers (surprise surprise, what benefit would it have for them!?) and others who would benefit from this (Certain car magazine owning media groups that benefit from advertising and new car sales, perchance?) - and come election time all Joe "idiot" Public will remember is that nice Mr.Brown giving him a cheque for £2k (whilst forgetting the extra £2k he will have had to pay in tax). I wonder why the government want to push this through as well?

Edited by NiceCupOfTea on Friday 3rd April 21:26

Exactly it

[Garlick]

Sounds great....oh, hang on.

[Bloobird]

Done

[Cpn Jack Spanner]

But I have the ideal car all ready to Part-ex for a new shiny Nano.

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/959506.htm

Though I have been offered two women in exchange, so will check them out first. If that goes through, then I'll sign up.

[stewartcampbell]

Well have managed to add 21 signatures in the last few hours so quite a few people dissagree with this scheme.

[rigga]

Cant see how they can force you to scrap your old car........ classic car groups would be up in arms,all that history down the pan,would affect my human rights scrapping the Griff for a poxy 2k

[thinfourth2]

If we lived in a democratic country then i might sign it but as we don't why bother it will be ignored and all that will happen if i sign is it that i will get a piece of well crafted spin from some civli servant saying that the government is listening to my opinions but i am wrong so i can go fk myself.

So by signing this or any other e-petition i am justifying the job of some pointless little civil servant squandering my money on pointless st and his own pointless little wage that i am paying and nothing more.

[E31Shrew]

Cpn Jack Spanner said:

But I have the ideal car all ready to Part-ex for a new shiny Nano.

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/959506.htm

Though I have been offered two women in exchange, so will check them out first. If that goes through, then I'll sign up.

You should get a 60gb classic for that...Forget the Nano

[NiceCupOfTea]

rigga said:

Cant see how they can force you to scrap your old car........ classic car groups would be up in arms,all that history down the pan,would affect my human rights scrapping the Griff for a poxy 2k

They won't need to force anybody - there will be enough people with saucer shaped eyes looking at free money that all sorts of cars will get weighed in.

[GEP]

NiceCupOfTea said:

sensible stuff

Thank god for that, was beginning to think I was the only one to see through it!