RE: Renaultsport Mégane R26.R
Discussion
Silver Pellet said:
TOENHEEL said:
for example i have just read an article where this car is being compared to a GT3 and exige for fks sake.
I would rather spend 10k less and have this http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/932627.htm
Welcome to Pistonheads Bullst Bingo!I would rather spend 10k less and have this http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/932627.htm
Front wheel drive is crap: check
Mention of chavs: check
Criticising a car you've never driven: check
Illustrate poor VFM by comparing it to a used car: check
Rely on bar room 'knowledge' and stereotypes: HOUSE!!!
Forgetting 2nd hand cars are generally cheaper than new cars
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Mentioning that an article dared to compare car X to car Y that I own, which by the mere fact that I own car Y must be better than car X
kambites said:
Arun_D said:
Of course, they could have gone much more extreme by taking additional avenues, but I'm sure they wanted to keep the assembly procedure largely the same and use the standard shell.
Does it start life as a standard shell then? I'd assumed it was fairly different to support a wider track. Arun_D said:
kambites said:
On a less silly note, could Renault not have saved significant weight by removing the rear side windows (and, crucially, surrounding strengthening of the side panels) and replacing the whole side of the car with a single steel panel? Or would that have destroyed 3/4 visibility?
Of course, they could have gone much more extreme by taking additional avenues, but I'm sure they wanted to keep the assembly procedure largely the same and use the standard shell. Fetchez la vache said:
Silver Pellet said:
TOENHEEL said:
for example i have just read an article where this car is being compared to a GT3 and exige for fks sake.
I would rather spend 10k less and have this http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/932627.htm
Welcome to Pistonheads Bullst Bingo!I would rather spend 10k less and have this http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/932627.htm
Front wheel drive is crap: check
Mention of chavs: check
Criticising a car you've never driven: check
Illustrate poor VFM by comparing it to a used car: check
Rely on bar room 'knowledge' and stereotypes: HOUSE!!!
Forgetting 2nd hand cars are generally cheaper than new cars
&
Mentioning that an article dared to compare car X to car Y that I own, which by the mere fact that I own car Y must be better than car X
Edited by TOENHEEL on Wednesday 15th April 10:25
Edited by TOENHEEL on Wednesday 15th April 10:26
TOENHEEL said:
Arun_D said:
kambites said:
On a less silly note, could Renault not have saved significant weight by removing the rear side windows (and, crucially, surrounding strengthening of the side panels) and replacing the whole side of the car with a single steel panel? Or would that have destroyed 3/4 visibility?
Of course, they could have gone much more extreme by taking additional avenues, but I'm sure they wanted to keep the assembly procedure largely the same and use the standard shell. TOENHEEL said:
This is why i claim the car to be a "marketing tool" to some degree because they have skipped areas where they could of made the car even lighter such as the wheels and ditching the air con altogether, i cant see the carbon bonnet making that much difference maybe a carbon roof to lower the centre of gravity..
I just feel like theres only so much you can do with a FWD hatchback and trying to make it into a sports car isnt one, the only plus side from all of this is at least Renault are trying to save weight instead of other manufacturers cars getting heavier and heavier, they just need to build the cars a bit better and improve the customer service. After 3 years though this car will still be just another Megane and im 100% sure the residuals will show this.
I agree, they are trying to turn this into something it's not, and what it is trying to be already exists in a purer and better form, ie proper 2 seater RWD sports cars.I just feel like theres only so much you can do with a FWD hatchback and trying to make it into a sports car isnt one, the only plus side from all of this is at least Renault are trying to save weight instead of other manufacturers cars getting heavier and heavier, they just need to build the cars a bit better and improve the customer service. After 3 years though this car will still be just another Megane and im 100% sure the residuals will show this.
Hot hatches are popular due to their "do it all" ability (as in transport passenegers, give some degree of driving enjoyment, load lugging, and so on), Elises and similar two seater sports cars are popular for their totally stripped out, real driving experience, trying to mesh the two to this degree seems uneccessary when better examples of each already exist.
and Id prefer my passenger has an airbag rather than aircon.
Edited by Vagabond on Wednesday 15th April 10:37
I do love this site.
Its FWD Burn the Witch!!!!
If anyone can name me a RWD car that can lap the ring in that time that has a fixed roof, comes in a similar money and can still take stuff in the boot I would appreciate it.
Its a pretty special car, there is no denying it. Its not my cup of tea but hats of to the Frenchies for trying it. Its impractical its looks "interesting" in my opinion but with a full paint job and no stickers you could get away with it...Just.
Cracking car and of course its been used as a marketing tool, if it had no press no one would buy it, Its funny no one exactly complains about the amount of Hype the RS is getting, the column inches the M series or AMG's get. IF you dont like it dont buy it and laugh at those that do.
I sir doth my cap at you you have bought something massivly diffrent for no other reason than you liked it.
Its FWD Burn the Witch!!!!
If anyone can name me a RWD car that can lap the ring in that time that has a fixed roof, comes in a similar money and can still take stuff in the boot I would appreciate it.
Its a pretty special car, there is no denying it. Its not my cup of tea but hats of to the Frenchies for trying it. Its impractical its looks "interesting" in my opinion but with a full paint job and no stickers you could get away with it...Just.
Cracking car and of course its been used as a marketing tool, if it had no press no one would buy it, Its funny no one exactly complains about the amount of Hype the RS is getting, the column inches the M series or AMG's get. IF you dont like it dont buy it and laugh at those that do.
I sir doth my cap at you you have bought something massivly diffrent for no other reason than you liked it.
TOENHEEL said:
The Mini wasnt far off the price of this Renault new.. My car has nothing to do with this..its a different type of car all together. The renault weighs 1230kg still to heavy..
The Megane weighs a mere 110kg more than the Mini.Given that it's a whole class larger (family hatch vs supermini), I don't think the R26.R suffers an unacceptable weight penalty against a Cooper Works GP.
If you want to compare eggs broadly with eggs, a Clio R27 weighs exactly the same as the Mini. Take the back seats out of it and it would be lighter.
kambites said:
Arun_D said:
Of course, they could have gone much more extreme by taking additional avenues, but I'm sure they wanted to keep the assembly procedure largely the same and use the standard shell.
Does it start life as a standard shell then? I'd assumed it was fairly different to support a wider track. mattbvw said:
kambites said:
Arun_D said:
Of course, they could have gone much more extreme by taking additional avenues, but I'm sure they wanted to keep the assembly procedure largely the same and use the standard shell.
Does it start life as a standard shell then? I'd assumed it was fairly different to support a wider track. Silver Pellet said:
TOENHEEL said:
The Mini wasnt far off the price of this Renault new.. My car has nothing to do with this..its a different type of car all together. The renault weighs 1230kg still to heavy..
The Megane weighs a mere 110kg more than the Mini.Given that it's a whole class larger (family hatch vs supermini), I don't think the R26.R suffers an unacceptable weight penalty against a Cooper Works GP.
If you want to compare eggs broadly with eggs, a Clio R27 weighs exactly the same as the Mini. Take the back seats out of it and it would be lighter.
Edited by TOENHEEL on Wednesday 15th April 13:56
TOENHEEL said:
Jgtv said:
TOENHEEL said:
Yes but its a Renault!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Says the man with a Beetle I care not that it's French, or a Renault. From my limited experience It' certainly no better or worse than any other car i've owned. I hate putting cars in badged boxes and judge them on how their past counterparts have fared. If I like the car, then that's all I need.
Edited by Arun_D on Wednesday 15th April 14:10
Arun_D said:
TOENHEEL said:
Jgtv said:
TOENHEEL said:
Yes but its a Renault!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Says the man with a Beetle TOENHEEL said:
Arun_D said:
TOENHEEL said:
Jgtv said:
TOENHEEL said:
Yes but its a Renault!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Says the man with a Beetle ewenm said:
TOENHEEL said:
Arun_D said:
TOENHEEL said:
Jgtv said:
TOENHEEL said:
Yes but its a Renault!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Says the man with a Beetle FL07AAV said:
zebra said:
FL07AAV said:
zebra said:
In a front wheel drive car, how does backing off the throttle give you tail end drift?
Zebra
It's called lift-off oversteer. Zebra
Edited by FL07AAV on Tuesday 14th April 17:07
http://www.drivers-republic.com/dr_tv/index.cfm?vi...
And here is one of Martin Rowe demonstrating FWD driving techniques:
http://www.drivers-republic.com/dr_tv/index.cfm?vi...
Finally, and just because it's a great video, Chris Harris again demonstrating power oversteer in an e39 M5:
http://www.drivers-republic.com/dr_tv/index.cfm?vi...
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