RE: 321bhp VXR Goes Toe-To-Toe With Audi
Discussion
Clivey said:
That's why the AWD versions of the Insignia interest me more than the competition. - Although it's a Haldex system, if you have "sport" mode engaged, it sends 60% of the power and torque to the rear. A slight RWD bias then. Like the new A4.
I'd like to know how they do that. Haldex has no centre diff, just what is effectively a clutch pack, so the maximum you can get is a straight 50:50 split. The way they can say 60% is at the rear is that they take into account the weight shifting backwards under acceleration meaning the front loses a bit of traction. If you use that logic, an S4 with a torsen diff would be about 85% rear-drive. All marketing rubbish IMO. Don't get me wrong, I think Haldex can be great at times in my own car, but something that size needs to have the centre diff. The first thing I thought when I read the article was "That'd be ok if it didn't use Haldex".
Fetchez la vache said:
The chances are that if you were in the market for this that it would HAVE to be new. Thats the point.
Sure there will be the odd private buyer, but by far and away this is aimed at company car drivers who will lease the thing, and will have to choose from a set list of manufacturerers. Private buyers know that this has the potential to depreciate like a rock, and will generally stay away from it.
Ergo, you're talking b
ks 
For the record I quite like the car, but since I'm not on lease any ore from a restricted list, there is no way I could put my own money in it.
You just pointed out the flaw in your argument. More people are opting out of company car schemes to get their own car with the allowance from the company, so a lot of people will be deciding between staying on the company scheme and getting a new Insignia, or opting out and getting a used S4 (or for that money, a used RS4!).Sure there will be the odd private buyer, but by far and away this is aimed at company car drivers who will lease the thing, and will have to choose from a set list of manufacturerers. Private buyers know that this has the potential to depreciate like a rock, and will generally stay away from it.
Ergo, you're talking b
ks For the record I quite like the car, but since I'm not on lease any ore from a restricted list, there is no way I could put my own money in it.
Ergo, you're talking b
ks Unbelievable – one word that sums up 99% of the ‘responses’ in this thread to Vauxhalls announcement of the Insignia VXR 
Vauxhall (a main stream manufacturer) announce a 321bhp, 2.8 V6, turbocharged, 4wd, four/five door car (and even an estate version) for 30K and the response it has received is nothing short of derogatory.
These will be bought by drivers who are not deluded enough to pander to the hype surrounding the frankly ludicrous Audi/BMW craze in this country (and pay throught the nose for it) – drivers who refuse to suffer an inferior product for the satisfaction of portraying an image via a badge that quite frankly does nothing more than suggest they are shallow, insecure souls with insufficient imagination to stray from the flock.
This thread, for me, typifies motoring sites on the internet these days - which are seemingly no longer populated by motoring enthusiasts but general d*ck heads who have nothing better to do than offer misinformed criticism, especially on Pistonheads it seems…
…but then the Insignia VXR doesn’t have proper 4WD, has too many buttons on the dashboard and looks ugly…and it's a Vauxhall...FFS…
Pistonheads, being a dick head matters
Andy
Vauxhall (a main stream manufacturer) announce a 321bhp, 2.8 V6, turbocharged, 4wd, four/five door car (and even an estate version) for 30K and the response it has received is nothing short of derogatory.
These will be bought by drivers who are not deluded enough to pander to the hype surrounding the frankly ludicrous Audi/BMW craze in this country (and pay throught the nose for it) – drivers who refuse to suffer an inferior product for the satisfaction of portraying an image via a badge that quite frankly does nothing more than suggest they are shallow, insecure souls with insufficient imagination to stray from the flock.
This thread, for me, typifies motoring sites on the internet these days - which are seemingly no longer populated by motoring enthusiasts but general d*ck heads who have nothing better to do than offer misinformed criticism, especially on Pistonheads it seems…
…but then the Insignia VXR doesn’t have proper 4WD, has too many buttons on the dashboard and looks ugly…and it's a Vauxhall...FFS…
Pistonheads, being a dick head matters
Andy
VXR'd said:
Unbelievable – one word that sums up 99% of the ‘responses’ in this thread to Vauxhalls announcement of the Insignia VXR
Vauxhall (a main stream manufacturer) announce a 321bhp, 2.8 V6, turbocharged, 4wd, four/five door car (and even an estate version) for 30K and the response it has received is nothing short of derogatory.
These will be bought by drivers who are not deluded enough to pander to the hype surrounding the frankly ludicrous Audi/BMW craze in this country (and pay throught the nose for it) – drivers who refuse to suffer an inferior product for the satisfaction of portraying an image via a badge that quite frankly does nothing more than suggest they are shallow, insecure souls with insufficient imagination to stray from the flock.
This thread, for me, typifies motoring sites on the internet these days - which are seemingly no longer populated by motoring enthusiasts but general d*ck heads who have nothing better to do than offer misinformed criticism, especially on Pistonheads it seems…
…but then the Insignia VXR doesn’t have proper 4WD, has too many buttons on the dashboard and looks ugly…and it's a Vauxhall...FFS…
Pistonheads, being a dick head matters
Andy
Have one on me. Vauxhall (a main stream manufacturer) announce a 321bhp, 2.8 V6, turbocharged, 4wd, four/five door car (and even an estate version) for 30K and the response it has received is nothing short of derogatory.
These will be bought by drivers who are not deluded enough to pander to the hype surrounding the frankly ludicrous Audi/BMW craze in this country (and pay throught the nose for it) – drivers who refuse to suffer an inferior product for the satisfaction of portraying an image via a badge that quite frankly does nothing more than suggest they are shallow, insecure souls with insufficient imagination to stray from the flock.
This thread, for me, typifies motoring sites on the internet these days - which are seemingly no longer populated by motoring enthusiasts but general d*ck heads who have nothing better to do than offer misinformed criticism, especially on Pistonheads it seems…
…but then the Insignia VXR doesn’t have proper 4WD, has too many buttons on the dashboard and looks ugly…and it's a Vauxhall...FFS…
Pistonheads, being a dick head matters
Andy
VXR'd said:
Unbelievable – one word that sums up 99% of the ‘responses’ in this thread to Vauxhalls announcement of the Insignia VXR
Vauxhall (a main stream manufacturer) announce a 321bhp, 2.8 V6, turbocharged, 4wd, four/five door car (and even an estate version) for 30K and the response it has received is nothing short of derogatory.
These will be bought by drivers who are not deluded enough to pander to the hype surrounding the frankly ludicrous Audi/BMW craze in this country (and pay throught the nose for it) – drivers who refuse to suffer an inferior product for the satisfaction of portraying an image via a badge that quite frankly does nothing more than suggest they are shallow, insecure souls with insufficient imagination to stray from the flock.
This thread, for me, typifies motoring sites on the internet these days - which are seemingly no longer populated by motoring enthusiasts but general d*ck heads who have nothing better to do than offer misinformed criticism, especially on Pistonheads it seems…
…but then the Insignia VXR doesn’t have proper 4WD, has too many buttons on the dashboard and looks ugly…and it's a Vauxhall...FFS…
Pistonheads, being a dick head matters
Andy
Andy, top post!!Vauxhall (a main stream manufacturer) announce a 321bhp, 2.8 V6, turbocharged, 4wd, four/five door car (and even an estate version) for 30K and the response it has received is nothing short of derogatory.
These will be bought by drivers who are not deluded enough to pander to the hype surrounding the frankly ludicrous Audi/BMW craze in this country (and pay throught the nose for it) – drivers who refuse to suffer an inferior product for the satisfaction of portraying an image via a badge that quite frankly does nothing more than suggest they are shallow, insecure souls with insufficient imagination to stray from the flock.
This thread, for me, typifies motoring sites on the internet these days - which are seemingly no longer populated by motoring enthusiasts but general d*ck heads who have nothing better to do than offer misinformed criticism, especially on Pistonheads it seems…
…but then the Insignia VXR doesn’t have proper 4WD, has too many buttons on the dashboard and looks ugly…and it's a Vauxhall...FFS…
Pistonheads, being a dick head matters
Andy
I think the car looks great and I expect a few of the 'sheep' on here do too but wont say so because its a Vauxhall!
While reading the responses to this thread it is apparent that what matters most on here is that a car needs to be German.
In the past German vehicles had a good reputation but the current crop are nowhere near as good.
We use mainly German cars at work and due to the high level of faults and high maintenance schedules they are frequently off the road.
I wouldn't consider buying a new/newer German car now based on what I've seen.
Before I am accused of being biased I currently own and older Merc which has been bomb proof and I am reluctant to part with it, but I believe the playing field has been levelled, the other manufacturers have caught up while the Germans have been living off of their past reputation.
Would I buy an Insignia VXR? Absolutely but it would have to be the tourer and in black!
In the past German vehicles had a good reputation but the current crop are nowhere near as good.
We use mainly German cars at work and due to the high level of faults and high maintenance schedules they are frequently off the road.
I wouldn't consider buying a new/newer German car now based on what I've seen.
Before I am accused of being biased I currently own and older Merc which has been bomb proof and I am reluctant to part with it, but I believe the playing field has been levelled, the other manufacturers have caught up while the Germans have been living off of their past reputation.
Would I buy an Insignia VXR? Absolutely but it would have to be the tourer and in black!
Luke167 said:
VXR'd said:
Unbelievable – one word that sums up 99% of the ‘responses’ in this thread to Vauxhalls announcement of the Insignia VXR
Vauxhall (a main stream manufacturer) announce a 321bhp, 2.8 V6, turbocharged, 4wd, four/five door car (and even an estate version) for 30K and the response it has received is nothing short of derogatory.
These will be bought by drivers who are not deluded enough to pander to the hype surrounding the frankly ludicrous Audi/BMW craze in this country (and pay throught the nose for it) – drivers who refuse to suffer an inferior product for the satisfaction of portraying an image via a badge that quite frankly does nothing more than suggest they are shallow, insecure souls with insufficient imagination to stray from the flock.
This thread, for me, typifies motoring sites on the internet these days - which are seemingly no longer populated by motoring enthusiasts but general d*ck heads who have nothing better to do than offer misinformed criticism, especially on Pistonheads it seems…
…but then the Insignia VXR doesn’t have proper 4WD, has too many buttons on the dashboard and looks ugly…and it's a Vauxhall...FFS…
Pistonheads, being a dick head matters
Andy
Andy, top post!!Vauxhall (a main stream manufacturer) announce a 321bhp, 2.8 V6, turbocharged, 4wd, four/five door car (and even an estate version) for 30K and the response it has received is nothing short of derogatory.
These will be bought by drivers who are not deluded enough to pander to the hype surrounding the frankly ludicrous Audi/BMW craze in this country (and pay throught the nose for it) – drivers who refuse to suffer an inferior product for the satisfaction of portraying an image via a badge that quite frankly does nothing more than suggest they are shallow, insecure souls with insufficient imagination to stray from the flock.
This thread, for me, typifies motoring sites on the internet these days - which are seemingly no longer populated by motoring enthusiasts but general d*ck heads who have nothing better to do than offer misinformed criticism, especially on Pistonheads it seems…
…but then the Insignia VXR doesn’t have proper 4WD, has too many buttons on the dashboard and looks ugly…and it's a Vauxhall...FFS…
Pistonheads, being a dick head matters
Andy
I think the car looks great and I expect a few of the 'sheep' on here do too but wont say so because its a Vauxhall!
Never mind they can all drive their oil burning rep company cars, they should be on a car enthusiasts site imo.
vz-r_dave said:
Luke167 said:
VXR'd said:
Unbelievable – one word that sums up 99% of the ‘responses’ in this thread to Vauxhalls announcement of the Insignia VXR
Vauxhall (a main stream manufacturer) announce a 321bhp, 2.8 V6, turbocharged, 4wd, four/five door car (and even an estate version) for 30K and the response it has received is nothing short of derogatory.
These will be bought by drivers who are not deluded enough to pander to the hype surrounding the frankly ludicrous Audi/BMW craze in this country (and pay throught the nose for it) – drivers who refuse to suffer an inferior product for the satisfaction of portraying an image via a badge that quite frankly does nothing more than suggest they are shallow, insecure souls with insufficient imagination to stray from the flock.
This thread, for me, typifies motoring sites on the internet these days - which are seemingly no longer populated by motoring enthusiasts but general d*ck heads who have nothing better to do than offer misinformed criticism, especially on Pistonheads it seems…
…but then the Insignia VXR doesn’t have proper 4WD, has too many buttons on the dashboard and looks ugly…and it's a Vauxhall...FFS…
Pistonheads, being a dick head matters
Andy
Andy, top post!!Vauxhall (a main stream manufacturer) announce a 321bhp, 2.8 V6, turbocharged, 4wd, four/five door car (and even an estate version) for 30K and the response it has received is nothing short of derogatory.
These will be bought by drivers who are not deluded enough to pander to the hype surrounding the frankly ludicrous Audi/BMW craze in this country (and pay throught the nose for it) – drivers who refuse to suffer an inferior product for the satisfaction of portraying an image via a badge that quite frankly does nothing more than suggest they are shallow, insecure souls with insufficient imagination to stray from the flock.
This thread, for me, typifies motoring sites on the internet these days - which are seemingly no longer populated by motoring enthusiasts but general d*ck heads who have nothing better to do than offer misinformed criticism, especially on Pistonheads it seems…
…but then the Insignia VXR doesn’t have proper 4WD, has too many buttons on the dashboard and looks ugly…and it's a Vauxhall...FFS…
Pistonheads, being a dick head matters
Andy
I think the car looks great and I expect a few of the 'sheep' on here do too but wont say so because its a Vauxhall!
Never mind they can all drive their oil burning rep company cars, they should be on a car enthusiasts site imo.
Sorry to not be a sheep, and sorry that I think it's ugly. People have opinions and lowering yourselves to calling them names or calling them badge snobs is about as pathetic as it gets really on a car enthusiast site.
"but then the Insignia VXR doesn’t have proper 4WD, has too many buttons on the dashboard and looks ugly" - all perfectly valid opinions surely and not reasons to call people d
heads?Munter said:
Superhoop said:
Lets just wait to see if it handles as badly as previous VXR's.
Yeah I hear the Monaro and the VX200 and the VXR8 are rubbish... Evo even went on about how well the Vectra VXR handled, compared to an Evo and Subaru on the same test. The Corsa was well recieved as well I think.So yeah. They have all been shocking....
john_r said:
vz-r_dave said:
Luke167 said:
VXR'd said:
Unbelievable – one word that sums up 99% of the ‘responses’ in this thread to Vauxhalls announcement of the Insignia VXR
Vauxhall (a main stream manufacturer) announce a 321bhp, 2.8 V6, turbocharged, 4wd, four/five door car (and even an estate version) for 30K and the response it has received is nothing short of derogatory.
These will be bought by drivers who are not deluded enough to pander to the hype surrounding the frankly ludicrous Audi/BMW craze in this country (and pay throught the nose for it) – drivers who refuse to suffer an inferior product for the satisfaction of portraying an image via a badge that quite frankly does nothing more than suggest they are shallow, insecure souls with insufficient imagination to stray from the flock.
This thread, for me, typifies motoring sites on the internet these days - which are seemingly no longer populated by motoring enthusiasts but general d*ck heads who have nothing better to do than offer misinformed criticism, especially on Pistonheads it seems…
…but then the Insignia VXR doesn’t have proper 4WD, has too many buttons on the dashboard and looks ugly…and it's a Vauxhall...FFS…
Pistonheads, being a dick head matters
Andy
Andy, top post!!Vauxhall (a main stream manufacturer) announce a 321bhp, 2.8 V6, turbocharged, 4wd, four/five door car (and even an estate version) for 30K and the response it has received is nothing short of derogatory.
These will be bought by drivers who are not deluded enough to pander to the hype surrounding the frankly ludicrous Audi/BMW craze in this country (and pay throught the nose for it) – drivers who refuse to suffer an inferior product for the satisfaction of portraying an image via a badge that quite frankly does nothing more than suggest they are shallow, insecure souls with insufficient imagination to stray from the flock.
This thread, for me, typifies motoring sites on the internet these days - which are seemingly no longer populated by motoring enthusiasts but general d*ck heads who have nothing better to do than offer misinformed criticism, especially on Pistonheads it seems…
…but then the Insignia VXR doesn’t have proper 4WD, has too many buttons on the dashboard and looks ugly…and it's a Vauxhall...FFS…
Pistonheads, being a dick head matters
Andy
I think the car looks great and I expect a few of the 'sheep' on here do too but wont say so because its a Vauxhall!
Never mind they can all drive their oil burning rep company cars, they should be on a car enthusiasts site imo.
Sorry to not be a sheep, and sorry that I think it's ugly. People have opinions and lowering yourselves to calling them names or calling them badge snobs is about as pathetic as it gets really on a car enthusiast site.
"but then the Insignia VXR doesn’t have proper 4WD, has too many buttons on the dashboard and looks ugly" - all perfectly valid opinions surely and not reasons to call people d
heads?ds who would prefer to be in rep company car then somthing that is a little different because the badge doesnt say BMW. Its pathetic that a large majority of so called Piston heads on this site are ready to slate the likes of the VXR Insignia and The Focus RS just because of the badge. Comments like Chav and fugly and lets not forget halfords are so common at the moment. Those that make these comments usualy drive the likes of a BMW that my mum would drive to work everyday and one that has not an ounce of soul. Far from a drivers car but the badge says BMW so that allows said person to post complete bks.That is pathetic imo.
Munter said:
Superhoop said:
Lets just wait to see if it handles as badly as previous VXR's.
Yeah I hear the Monaro and the VX200 and the VXR8 are rubbish... Evo even went on about how well the Vectra VXR handled, compared to an Evo and Subaru on the same test. The Corsa was well recieved as well I think.So yeah. They have all been shocking....
They were both over powered, under damped, had poor, uncommunicative steering, terrible brake feel, cheap interiors and had a liking for eating tyres.
But now I've had you're view on cars not remotely related to this (I don't think the Inpignia will be made by either Lotus or Holden) I take all back
Superhoop said:
Munter said:
Superhoop said:
Lets just wait to see if it handles as badly as previous VXR's.
Yeah I hear the Monaro and the VX200 and the VXR8 are rubbish... Evo even went on about how well the Vectra VXR handled, compared to an Evo and Subaru on the same test. The Corsa was well recieved as well I think.So yeah. They have all been shocking....
They were both over powered, under damped, had poor, uncommunicative steering, terrible brake feel, cheap interiors and had a liking for eating tyres.
But now I've had you're view on cars not remotely related to this (I don't think the Inpignia will be made by either Lotus or Holden) I take all back
Bloody hell atr last people are noticing the german car sheep snob syndrome at last ....
The insignia is a bloody good car , but alas the badge and the fact its a vauxhall means it must be slated and slated hard from the off , the sheep on here follow suit and carry on slating yadda yadda .
Funny thing being if its so good to have a german car why dont more people have the vauxhall ? anyone care to take a guess at where its made ?
the german cars are best is sooo bloody boring now , they are all dull grey or black or silver , suppose its sums up the imagination on the drivers.
The insignia is a bloody good car , but alas the badge and the fact its a vauxhall means it must be slated and slated hard from the off , the sheep on here follow suit and carry on slating yadda yadda .
Funny thing being if its so good to have a german car why dont more people have the vauxhall ? anyone care to take a guess at where its made ?
the german cars are best is sooo bloody boring now , they are all dull grey or black or silver , suppose its sums up the imagination on the drivers.
vz-r_dave said:
Superhoop said:
Munter said:
Superhoop said:
Lets just wait to see if it handles as badly as previous VXR's.
Yeah I hear the Monaro and the VX200 and the VXR8 are rubbish... Evo even went on about how well the Vectra VXR handled, compared to an Evo and Subaru on the same test. The Corsa was well recieved as well I think.So yeah. They have all been shocking....
They were both over powered, under damped, had poor, uncommunicative steering, terrible brake feel, cheap interiors and had a liking for eating tyres.
But now I've had you're view on cars not remotely related to this (I don't think the Inpignia will be made by either Lotus or Holden) I take all back
I'm not just making a statement based on various press reports, like a lot of others do. I've actually driven both the Astra, and the Vectra VXR (and not for a 5 minute test drive either), and personally think that both cars are lacking somewhat when campared to the competition. The Mondeo ST220 is far better than the Vectra VXR, as is the Mazda6 MPS. The Focus ST is a far better car than the Astra, as is the Honda Civic Type R.
In my own experience, I've always thought that Vauxhall spend far too much time worrying about how much power they add to their hot hatches, and not enough time spent developing the rest of the car to suit. It's a shame, they certainly make good power, just don't seem to be able to use it as effectively as the competition
I think in the current climate, Vauxhall are making a brave, but bold move launching something like this, and would like to think it will encourage other manufacturer's to do the same. There are far too many manufacturer's running away from this sector in favour of green cars, which as a petrol head, definitely isn't a good thing in my book
Edited by Superhoop on Wednesday 15th April 22:49
I think for a car like this to go against those sorts of rivals it's needs the X factor, the original 406 coupe is a good example of a non premium marque comming up with something special, to tempt people who might have bought a BMW/Audi it was a great looking car and had that wow factor
This needed to be a really inspired design to have a chance, it might be a good car but ultimately the badge and looks will see it as an also ran perhaps unfairly so, but life is not fair
This needed to be a really inspired design to have a chance, it might be a good car but ultimately the badge and looks will see it as an also ran perhaps unfairly so, but life is not fair
Edited by peter450 on Wednesday 15th April 23:00
vxr all the way. i know from experience (my g/f has 06 a4 cab) my local audi are complete idiots. her father has had probs with them aswell, so u cant just say its to a woman!!!!
yes the s4 maybe better but nobody enjoys talking to tts, or trying to get tts to fix there pride and joy....do they???
yes the s4 maybe better but nobody enjoys talking to t
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