RE: Volkswagen Golf GTI
Discussion
Vagabond said:
I dont undertsnad that, I like having a modern, comfortable car, but then I suppose it takes all sorts, and different budgets mean different allownaces for a car, but to deliberately want an old car like that is beyond me.
I heartily disagree. Depending on what you want for a car, a new car might not have it. I'd consider my 2001 530i to be incredibly modern car, but I feel certain older cars can have more charm, a more connected driving experience (though you'd be well within your rights to call it "less comfortable") I like to work on my cars, and aside from general maintenence you can't really do that with a new one. Also because they "work less well on the road" you can actually explore the limits at lower speeds. There's also a bit of nostalgia thrown in as well for some folks. And the price/running costs/bang per buck.Though 95% of people don't want what I want in a car, and you're one of them it seems, which is OK by me.
So in summary it is a good/competent car that is not outstanding and is bought by people who like the badge.
The main issue I have it (apart from the fact it is priced for those badge lovers to fall for) is it is too big. I bet it is not far off the weight of the prior mentioned AMG C43 even though the C43 has a V8 4.3l and loads of electronic gizzmo's.
What they need to do is get all the current mechanicals into the Lupo GTi size bracket, now that would be fun.
Regards
Andy
The main issue I have it (apart from the fact it is priced for those badge lovers to fall for) is it is too big. I bet it is not far off the weight of the prior mentioned AMG C43 even though the C43 has a V8 4.3l and loads of electronic gizzmo's.
What they need to do is get all the current mechanicals into the Lupo GTi size bracket, now that would be fun.
Regards
Andy
r1ch said:
zakelwe said:
So in summary it is a good/competent car that is not outstanding and is bought by people who like the badge.
This.Don't feed the troll crofty.
Or are people only allowed to pump cars up?
Regards
Andy
zakelwe said:
r1ch said:
zakelwe said:
So in summary it is a good/competent car that is not outstanding and is bought by people who like the badge.
This.Don't feed the troll crofty.
Or are people only allowed to pump cars up?
Regards
Andy
ffelan said:
Gridl0k said:
For what it's worth, day to day I drive a C43 AMG - hardly an antique - and my Golf has roughly 330bhp/ton.
C43 - well thats only 3 generations of AMG C class out of date... and a C63 is better in every respect. Yes I have driven both. As for the Golf - im 100% confident that my 330hp per ton Octavia would destroy your vintage mkII.... in the same way im sure a 330bhp per ton MK VI would kill the Octavia.
Just because you prefer old metal doesnt mean you have to have rose tinted glasses about newer stuff. Im sure the Golf is a real hoot - been involved in the building of some silly Mk IIs and the C43 is still a cool car - but not really relevant to a new Mk VI gti is it? Safety, equipment and CO2 output and warranties are relevant to a new car.
C43 is better than a C63 in one key area - I don't have £60K to spend on a car that seems to be driven solely by HR Directors. I wanted RWD, auto, enough power to make an auto drivable/almost fun, something a little different, something a bit sleeper and something German. AC Snchnitzer-tuned 540i and C43 are about the only 2 cars that fitted given my modest budget, and I ended up with a £52k car that's depreciated 90% in 10 years, sounds amazing and still only weighs in at 1570Kg. I don't want a barge with 700hp and a fancy computer designed to flatter you into thinking you can drive.
Happy to take you up on the Octavia challenge... Although if you have 330hp/ton in an car weighing 1500Kg then you have about 480hp? Or did you mean 220hp/ton? Hrm... Mine's 330hp, and 1 ton.. So I'd probably outbrake you
Edited by Gridl0k on Monday 20th April 13:50
Edited by Gridl0k on Monday 20th April 13:55
r1ch said:
No i was agreeing with you andy.
I feel embarrassed now with my defensiveness. Apologies.I'd be very tempted indeed if they could squash all the mechanicals into something a lot smaller so aiding chuckability. I think cars are just getting too big now no matter how good some of them are. And the Golf does have a fine blend of qualities.
Regards
Andy
Gridl0k said:
collateral said:
There's a mk6 GTD coming out
ooh, I wonder if the gearbox will become a prized upgrade for GTi drivers as happened with the Mk1/Mk2.. Back when I had a 205 gti the derv engine fans were a common upgrade because there was an extra one
swamp said:
Are VW planning on producing a performance diesel Golf to sit alongside the GTI? Ie Golf GDI?
There was an article on here a week or 2 ago about a GTD. Its not really what most people were hoping for though, still using the 170 (albeit the common rail version) but thought they might of brought a twin turbo engine with 200+bhp. Also it didn't look all that nice to me.I'd be wanting the exact same wheels, bumpers etc. as the GTI but with a twin turbo diesel engine.
Matt_ said:
swamp said:
Are VW planning on producing a performance diesel Golf to sit alongside the GTI? Ie Golf GDI?
There was an article on here a week or 2 ago about a GTD. Its not really what most people were hoping for though, still using the 170 (albeit the common rail version) but thought they might of brought a twin turbo engine with 200+bhp. Also it didn't look all that nice to me.I'd be wanting the exact same wheels, bumpers etc. as the GTI but with a twin turbo diesel engine.
Don't see the point in a 200+bhp TDI oil burner as said when the GTi is so frugal . Plus TDI's are so dull and unrewarding to drive, these GTI's like the original are to be driven hard and like being revved not bottoming out at 4500rpm! If you can't afford to run one don't buy I say.
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