RE: Volkswagen Golf GTI
Discussion
Motorrad said:
Rocky Balboa said:
Too fat. Too heavy. Slower than the previous model. Awful.
When the f
k are these cars going to start losing weight! Pisses me off!
I hate to spoil a half baked rant by mentioning the facts but isn't this car faster than the previous one to 60 and has a higher top speed.When the f
k are these cars going to start losing weight! Pisses me off!Won't argue that cars these days are too heavy but people do seem to like their safety features and creature comforts.
Rocky Balboa said:
Motorrad said:
Rocky Balboa said:
Too fat. Too heavy. Slower than the previous model. Awful.
When the fk are these cars going to start losing weight! Pisses me off!
I hate to spoil a half baked rant by mentioning the facts but isn't this car faster than the previous one to 60 and has a higher top speed.When the f
k are these cars going to start losing weight! Pisses me off!Won't argue that cars these days are too heavy but people do seem to like their safety features and creature comforts.
This car is a complete rip off. If you start adding a few extras to these you're looking at 26k at least. I think it's possible to spend 32k with every conceivable option. I'm sure it's a decent drive but you can get better cars for quite a lot less these days. It also looks really boring to my eyes.
Well, we know that the R20's coming, but now there's talk of an R45 (although reaction to this article in the VW community has been, shall we say, "skeptical"
http://www.worldcarfans.com/9090416.009/vw-golf-r2...
http://www.worldcarfans.com/9090416.009/vw-golf-r2...
Edited by dxg on Friday 17th April 01:32
Rather than just ranting about weight, blandness etc lets just take a step back and take a hard look at what it offers:
1. It may be a refresh but still looks more modern than a MK5 outside and inside.
2. It does 0-60 in 6.9 - Its a hot hatch - come on, this is perfectly adequate 99% of the time and top speed it irrelevant.
3. For every day use its great - comfy, refined, smooth and then when you want it go its quick, handles well, sounds great (by all accounts) covers the job.
4. Its quick, good looking car that means i can go to clients without looking like a) a boy racer cocktard or b) like i earn too much therefore alienating the clients
5. Its not a Focus RS - so why compare?
It does what it was designed to do rather well. It doesnt pretend to be anything else, so why slate it?
1. It may be a refresh but still looks more modern than a MK5 outside and inside.
2. It does 0-60 in 6.9 - Its a hot hatch - come on, this is perfectly adequate 99% of the time and top speed it irrelevant.
3. For every day use its great - comfy, refined, smooth and then when you want it go its quick, handles well, sounds great (by all accounts) covers the job.
4. Its quick, good looking car that means i can go to clients without looking like a) a boy racer cocktard or b) like i earn too much therefore alienating the clients
5. Its not a Focus RS - so why compare?
It does what it was designed to do rather well. It doesnt pretend to be anything else, so why slate it?
wigsworld said:
This car is a complete rip off. If you start adding a few extras to these you're looking at 26k at least. I think it's possible to spend 32k with every conceivable option. I'm sure it's a decent drive but you can get better cars for quite a lot less these days. It also looks really boring to my eyes.
p.s compared to its rivals you can select a lot more options so yes it will cost more. Like for like i believe is a similiar cost.I'd be interested to see what cars you think are better for a lot less?
Pommygranite said:
Rather than just ranting about weight, blandness etc lets just take a step back and take a hard look at what it offers:
1. It may be a refresh but still looks more modern than a MK5 outside and inside.
2. It does 0-60 in 6.9 - Its a hot hatch - come on, this is perfectly adequate 99% of the time and top speed it irrelevant.
3. For every day use its great - comfy, refined, smooth and then when you want it go its quick, handles well, sounds great (by all accounts) covers the job.
4. Its quick, good looking car that means i can go to clients without looking like a) a boy racer cocktard or b) like i earn too much therefore alienating the clients
5. Its not a Focus RS - so why compare?
It does what it was designed to do rather well. It doesnt pretend to be anything else, so why slate it?
1. It may be a refresh but still looks more modern than a MK5 outside and inside.
2. It does 0-60 in 6.9 - Its a hot hatch - come on, this is perfectly adequate 99% of the time and top speed it irrelevant.
3. For every day use its great - comfy, refined, smooth and then when you want it go its quick, handles well, sounds great (by all accounts) covers the job.
4. Its quick, good looking car that means i can go to clients without looking like a) a boy racer cocktard or b) like i earn too much therefore alienating the clients
5. Its not a Focus RS - so why compare?
It does what it was designed to do rather well. It doesnt pretend to be anything else, so why slate it?
I agree with that. It is not designed to be a hardcore hot hatch. It is designed to be a well built and equipped hatch that can handle some real driving when you want it. But be a relaxing drive when you don't.
And that is exactly what I want out of a car.
dxg said:
Well, we know that the R20's coming, but now there's talk of an R45 (although reaction to this article in the VW community has been, shall we say, "skeptical"
http://www.worldcarfans.com/9090416.009/vw-golf-r2...
now we're talkinghttp://www.worldcarfans.com/9090416.009/vw-golf-r2...
Edited by dxg on Friday 17th April 01:32
Although everyone is quick to point out that the golf is well overpriced... i do believe it was the top selling car in europe last year and continues to have the best risiduals in its class, and would expect the gti to perform just as well if not better.
A word of note, dont over look the fact the VW will rarely produce a car that shows up its audi counterpart.
A word of note, dont over look the fact the VW will rarely produce a car that shows up its audi counterpart.
dxg said:
Heh, the obviously hotter Golf in those 'ring shots is badged 2.0 TDi.. Who says ze Germans have no sense of humour 
Pommygranite said:
Rather than just ranting about weight, blandness etc lets just take a step back and take a hard look at what it offers:
1. It may be a refresh but still looks more modern than a MK5 outside and inside.
2. It does 0-60 in 6.9 - Its a hot hatch - come on, this is perfectly adequate 99% of the time and top speed it irrelevant.
3. For every day use its great - comfy, refined, smooth and then when you want it go its quick, handles well, sounds great (by all accounts) covers the job.
4. Its quick, good looking car that means i can go to clients without looking like a) a boy racer cocktard or b) like i earn too much therefore alienating the clients
5. Its not a Focus RS - so why compare?
It does what it was designed to do rather well. It doesnt pretend to be anything else, so why slate it?
hit the nail on the head. 1. It may be a refresh but still looks more modern than a MK5 outside and inside.
2. It does 0-60 in 6.9 - Its a hot hatch - come on, this is perfectly adequate 99% of the time and top speed it irrelevant.
3. For every day use its great - comfy, refined, smooth and then when you want it go its quick, handles well, sounds great (by all accounts) covers the job.
4. Its quick, good looking car that means i can go to clients without looking like a) a boy racer cocktard or b) like i earn too much therefore alienating the clients
5. Its not a Focus RS - so why compare?
It does what it was designed to do rather well. It doesnt pretend to be anything else, so why slate it?
people seem to forget it's not supposed to be a plastic windowed stripped out track car and its not going to attract as much unwanted attention as a focus rs. perfect all rounder imo.
Edited by tstain on Friday 17th April 09:34
Matt_N said:
Like the front end, not so keen on the rear lights.
If I had the choice between this and the Scirocco, Id go for the Scirocco.
Believe me you wouldnt if you had driven one. 2 totally different cars IMO. The rocco might be better than all the other coupe's in its class but its simply not a good all rounder as the golf.If I had the choice between this and the Scirocco, Id go for the Scirocco.
I dont get the comparisons to a Focus RS, surely this is more a cometitor to the Focus ST if anything, and the next R32 type Golf would be more a competitor for the RS.
As such I dont think it is lacking in any area, it will have a better interior than the ST and Renault, hold it's value MUCH better, be cheaper to insure, and the MPG figures look better too, so for me, as a hot hatch in the sector it is in, it would go straight to the top of the pile.
Seems like the total package, and with DSG option makes it even more desireable, its a fantastic gearbox.
I suppose the price is the only thing that puts it near RS money, but buying a car is a small part of the equation (as I learnt when I bought an RX7 TT!!), running them is often a bigger hit if your fuel bills, insurance, and tax are through the roof, and month on month the cost savings of the Golf against an RS will add up massively.
Then take depreceiation into account, and the fact people are buying cars like the RS less and less due to costs, and the Golf still comes out the winner from a cost and ownership perspective.
Im glad VW didnt up the power massively, or strip it out, that's not what the GTi is about, VW are being realistic about the wider market who want a sporty hatchback that is still reasonably cost efffective and comfortable, for those who want massive power (and consequently massive running costs) they will no doubt be bringing out a R34 or whatever it will be called soon enough.
As such I dont think it is lacking in any area, it will have a better interior than the ST and Renault, hold it's value MUCH better, be cheaper to insure, and the MPG figures look better too, so for me, as a hot hatch in the sector it is in, it would go straight to the top of the pile.
Seems like the total package, and with DSG option makes it even more desireable, its a fantastic gearbox.
I suppose the price is the only thing that puts it near RS money, but buying a car is a small part of the equation (as I learnt when I bought an RX7 TT!!), running them is often a bigger hit if your fuel bills, insurance, and tax are through the roof, and month on month the cost savings of the Golf against an RS will add up massively.
Then take depreceiation into account, and the fact people are buying cars like the RS less and less due to costs, and the Golf still comes out the winner from a cost and ownership perspective.
Im glad VW didnt up the power massively, or strip it out, that's not what the GTi is about, VW are being realistic about the wider market who want a sporty hatchback that is still reasonably cost efffective and comfortable, for those who want massive power (and consequently massive running costs) they will no doubt be bringing out a R34 or whatever it will be called soon enough.
wigsworld said:
This car is a complete rip off. If you start adding a few extras to these you're looking at 26k at least. I think it's possible to spend 32k with every conceivable option. I'm sure it's a decent drive but you can get better cars for quite a lot less these days. It also looks really boring to my eyes.
Go and work out how much a competitor's hot hatch equivalent costs - I think you'll be well into the mid 20s at the same spec. Residual values are higher than most as well - classic German car depreciation like BMW, Audi etc. Pay more, get more back.Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff