RE: Volkswagen Golf GTI
Discussion
r1ch said:
Bit underwhelming for me. I'll keep my 205 gti thanks (yes, serious).
Good choice!! The Focus ST is the size of a house and drives like you're controlling it by a playstation controller and I have little doubt the new 'GTi' is much the same.
The rear 45 looks more like a VW take on the C-Max than a sharp focussed Hot-Hatch.
Uninspiring.
Consdidering the effort that has gone into the RS and Megane R26R it looks as if VW is just relying on the name to get people to stump up similar money for something which is a mild rework of the previous model. It should be closer to £19995 before options.
I've seen a couple of lower models in the flesh and they look ok, not fantastic but OK. It will be interesting to see how the R20 goes against the Focus RS.
Regards
Andy
I've seen a couple of lower models in the flesh and they look ok, not fantastic but OK. It will be interesting to see how the R20 goes against the Focus RS.
Regards
Andy
mr_spock said:
Apparently the spelling police are asleep, so I'll stand in:
It's "wring" not "ring" in "you can't help but ring the 2.0-litre out".
Oh, and I can't see the attraction of a new Golf anything at £20K+++ when there are so many lightly used bargains out there for less.
as always can't comare new to used.It's "wring" not "ring" in "you can't help but ring the 2.0-litre out".
Oh, and I can't see the attraction of a new Golf anything at £20K+++ when there are so many lightly used bargains out there for less.
Tycho said:
Seems like the marketing/finance people are going for the more mature/boring market rather than the hardcore market who will snap up the Focus RS.
Agree rather than spending millions trying to keep up with the power they have stayed in the same market and it will probably sell like hotcakes.
Sorry, but how many people genuinly want to drive around in some old Golf or Puegeot? seriously?
They have no class or style and are completely outdated, I for one wouldnt even take my family in one, not only because id be too embarrised, but because if you had an accident it'd be game over.
I dont undertsnad that, I like having a modern, comfortable car, but then I suppose it takes all sorts, and different budgets mean different allownaces for a car, but to deliberately want an old car like that is beyond me.
Im sure the sales of this new GTi will be superb, looks like an excellent car and competes comfortably with it's competition where it really counts these days.
They have no class or style and are completely outdated, I for one wouldnt even take my family in one, not only because id be too embarrised, but because if you had an accident it'd be game over.
I dont undertsnad that, I like having a modern, comfortable car, but then I suppose it takes all sorts, and different budgets mean different allownaces for a car, but to deliberately want an old car like that is beyond me.
Im sure the sales of this new GTi will be superb, looks like an excellent car and competes comfortably with it's competition where it really counts these days.
Edited by Vagabond on Friday 17th April 10:43
mr_spock said:
Apparently the spelling police are asleep, so I'll stand in:
It's "wring" not "ring" in "you can't help but ring the 2.0-litre out".
Oh, and I can't see the attraction of a new Golf anything at £20K+++ when there are so many lightly used bargains out there for less.
There is always one to point out a new car costs massively more than a used one. It's "wring" not "ring" in "you can't help but ring the 2.0-litre out".
Oh, and I can't see the attraction of a new Golf anything at £20K+++ when there are so many lightly used bargains out there for less.
So wait a few years and buy the GTi secondhand :P
Why do people keep on comparing new to used cars? They are 2 totally different market places - some people only ever buy new others only ever used, the reason for each choice is very clear some like brand new cars & hassle free motoring & 100% known history they are probably the same people with the latest 60" LCD/Plasma HD and all the Blue Ray films or they just have to have a new car due to comp car rules or optin out for cash 4 car and staying within the rules their company have - or they just want the new model thats been released or they must have a specific option /options/colour combo.
Used - clearly has financial benefits in that you can buy a car for half price in max 3 years but with some wear & tear. It is a compromise as unless your very lucky (or didnt know all the options available) then your not getting 100% what you want.
Used has other costs too - higher maintence costs which can clearly be "netted off" against the higher depn of a brand new car with its lower maintance costs. The Maintance costs for some can be eye watering - what I mean by this is that saythey buy an E39 M5 for £10k and they expect running costs (excl fuel) to be the same as the servicing costs of a brand new £10k car... instead of a £60-65k car.
Used - clearly has financial benefits in that you can buy a car for half price in max 3 years but with some wear & tear. It is a compromise as unless your very lucky (or didnt know all the options available) then your not getting 100% what you want.
Used has other costs too - higher maintence costs which can clearly be "netted off" against the higher depn of a brand new car with its lower maintance costs. The Maintance costs for some can be eye watering - what I mean by this is that saythey buy an E39 M5 for £10k and they expect running costs (excl fuel) to be the same as the servicing costs of a brand new £10k car... instead of a £60-65k car.
I have an '07 plate MKV GTi, I paid 17.5K for it with delivery miles from www.motorpoint.co.uk and it's never missed a beat. It handles extremely well, is fast enough for 'every day' use, carries five people with ease and is quite frugal to boot. It does exactly what I would want an everyday car to do (including going to High Wycombe the other day to pick up a coffee table from Evans)
However, I do agree with some of you who say it's not 'special' enough and that's an itch I can only scratch with a TVR T350C
However, I do agree with some of you who say it's not 'special' enough and that's an itch I can only scratch with a TVR T350C
Vagabond said:
to deliberately want an old car like that is beyond me.
Because not all progress is good progress. Safety regulations(both occupants & padestrians), Noise, Emissions, Constant upsizing, demand for every gadget Intel can supply and most importantly cheapness of manufacturer do not always add up to a great drivers car. (If that's your priority)Personally, with how much speed is the great political-incorrect at the moment I have to admit i'm drawn to older, lighter, simpler cars which feel more involved to drive at less licence killing speeds.
Horses and courses.
Welshbeef said:
The Maintance costs for some can be eye watering - what I mean by this is that saythey buy an E39 M5 for £10k and they expect running costs (excl fuel) to be the same as the servicing costs of a brand new £10k car... instead of a £60-65k car.
True but on the flip side, I could maintain an E28 M5 myself. Relatively simple engine, minimal electronics and simple electrical system. E60 M5? You've gotta be kidding!!Modern Common-Rail Turbo Diesels, requiring expensive fuel pumps, turbos and injectors at under 100k miles.. etc.
Obviously technology has moved on and you get light-year forward sophistication but, once out of warranty, modern techno gadget cars (even small ones) are not necessarily cheap to maintain.
Fire99 said:
Welshbeef said:
The Maintance costs for some can be eye watering - what I mean by this is that saythey buy an E39 M5 for £10k and they expect running costs (excl fuel) to be the same as the servicing costs of a brand new £10k car... instead of a £60-65k car.
True but on the flip side, I could maintain an E28 M5 myself. Relatively simple engine, minimal electronics and simple electrical system. E60 M5? You've gotta be kidding!!Modern Common-Rail Turbo Diesels, requiring expensive fuel pumps, turbos and injectors at under 100k miles.. etc.
Obviously technology has moved on and you get light-year forward sophistication but, once out of warranty, modern techno gadget cars (even small ones) are not necessarily cheap to maintain.
I'd say the fuel pump failure's are very rare and much more associated with "non std" cars - maybe thats due to the modifying/remapping or maybe its due to the type of driving a joe blogs who modifies cars would do over someone who would only ever have std cars... I could be wrong but you never know.
Fire99 said:
The Focus ST is the size of a house and drives like you're controlling it by a playstation controller and I have little doubt the new 'GTi' is much the same.
although this is not a thread about the ST its is far from the size of a house (about the size of an old focus RS) and i havent heard 1 reviewer or owner or anyone that has actually driven the car say anything other than it being very very accomplished, certainly not driven with a playsation controller. very strange.i like the general looks of the new golf but am so far not so keen on the rear end or the 5door shape.
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