Its my old Mk2 gti 8v for me!They knew how to build them in the 80s .

Consdidering the effort that has gone into the RS and Megane R26R it looks as if VW is just relying on the name to get people to stump up similar money for something which is a mild rework of the previous model. It should be closer to £19995 before options.

I've seen a couple of lower models in the flesh and they look ok, not fantastic but OK. It will be interesting to see how the R20 goes against the Focus RS.

Regards

Andy

Agree rather than spending millions trying to keep up with the power they have stayed in the same market and it will probably sell like hotcakes.

front end looks ok on the rocco in certain colours but not at all on the golf, hrrible, still prefer the previous to this one, cant beat the mk2 though

Why do people keep on comparing new to used cars? They are 2 totally different market places - some people only ever buy new others only ever used, the reason for each choice is very clear some like brand new cars & hassle free motoring & 100% known history they are probably the same people with the latest 60" LCD/Plasma HD and all the Blue Ray films or they just have to have a new car due to comp car rules or optin out for cash 4 car and staying within the rules their company have - or they just want the new model thats been released or they must have a specific option /options/colour combo.

Used - clearly has financial benefits in that you can buy a car for half price in max 3 years but with some wear & tear. It is a compromise as unless your very lucky (or didnt know all the options available) then your not getting 100% what you want.
Used has other costs too - higher maintence costs which can clearly be "netted off" against the higher depn of a brand new car with its lower maintance costs. The Maintance costs for some can be eye watering - what I mean by this is that saythey buy an E39 M5 for £10k and they expect running costs (excl fuel) to be the same as the servicing costs of a brand new £10k car... instead of a £60-65k car.

Because not all progress is good progress. Safety regulations(both occupants & padestrians), Noise, Emissions, Constant upsizing, demand for every gadget Intel can supply and most importantly cheapness of manufacturer do not always add up to a great drivers car. (If that's your priority)

Personally, with how much speed is the great political-incorrect at the moment I have to admit i'm drawn to older, lighter, simpler cars which feel more involved to drive at less licence killing speeds.

Horses and courses.

True but on the flip side, I could maintain an E28 M5 myself. Relatively simple engine, minimal electronics and simple electrical system. E60 M5? You've gotta be kidding!!

Modern Common-Rail Turbo Diesels, requiring expensive fuel pumps, turbos and injectors at under 100k miles.. etc.

Obviously technology has moved on and you get light-year forward sophistication but, once out of warranty, modern techno gadget cars (even small ones) are not necessarily cheap to maintain.

Agreed. However from my experiance and high milage users I know non have had any failures on their TDI's one of which did something like 80k without a service not even an oil top up and was still in fine working order.. One person I know does over 1,700 miles week in week out... never once a problem with any of the TDI's he has had - mind you he gets it serviced on the nose but even his current steed with 250k+ miles has only ever needed oil filters discs & pads nothing else (oh and air con servicing).

I'd say the fuel pump failure's are very rare and much more associated with "non std" cars - maybe thats due to the modifying/remapping or maybe its due to the type of driving a joe blogs who modifies cars would do over someone who would only ever have std cars... I could be wrong but you never know.

although this is not a thread about the ST its is far from the size of a house (about the size of an old focus RS) and i havent heard 1 reviewer or owner or anyone that has actually driven the car say anything other than it being very very accomplished, certainly not driven with a playsation controller. very strange.

i like the general looks of the new golf but am so far not so keen on the rear end or the 5door shape.

really like it