RE: Clio Renaultsport 200
Discussion
Thank god...yes you've understood my point...
so shiny plastics won't add to the weight but would enhance an interior (accepting you could do with a better base to work with here) so peformance isn't affected...
Cost wise... couldn't/wouldn't that cost be either a) spread across the entire Clio if not Renault business case? or b) shoved on an options list..
Lest we forget the awesome graphics they (used) to offer that added character but also weight... but came with a delete option....
I mean there's the Sport pack isn't there for a radio and A/C etc...
and it hasn't got thinner glass or perspex windows so its not THAT focused...
they could've saved more money than they have....
so shiny plastics won't add to the weight but would enhance an interior (accepting you could do with a better base to work with here) so peformance isn't affected...
Cost wise... couldn't/wouldn't that cost be either a) spread across the entire Clio if not Renault business case? or b) shoved on an options list..
Lest we forget the awesome graphics they (used) to offer that added character but also weight... but came with a delete option....
I mean there's the Sport pack isn't there for a radio and A/C etc...
and it hasn't got thinner glass or perspex windows so its not THAT focused...
they could've saved more money than they have....
Agoogy said:
Who said the Cup deserves Mini levels of trim? just some thought as to what you're looking at would be nice...
compare a bog standard kit-less Mini One/Fiat 500/Fiesta even with equivalent Clio... if that helps you understand my point...
I very much understand your point, but if you're going to compare like with like be it at the bottom of the range, or the top (RS vs. Cooper S), look at the price point...compare a bog standard kit-less Mini One/Fiat 500/Fiesta even with equivalent Clio... if that helps you understand my point...
As equivalents go the Mini would be far more expensive throughout the range, that's where the extra plushness and the like goes...
I'd sooner have the cheaper car even if both handled exactly the same!
LukeBird said:
Agoogy said:
Who said the Cup deserves Mini levels of trim? just some thought as to what you're looking at would be nice...
compare a bog standard kit-less Mini One/Fiat 500/Fiesta even with equivalent Clio... if that helps you understand my point...
I very much understand your point, but if you're going to compare like with like be it at the bottom of the range, or the top (RS vs. Cooper S), look at the price point...compare a bog standard kit-less Mini One/Fiat 500/Fiesta even with equivalent Clio... if that helps you understand my point...
As equivalents go the Mini would be far more expensive throughout the range, that's where the extra plushness and the like goes...
I'd sooner have the cheaper car even if both handled exactly the same!
The same flair that brings us expensive Liquid yellow paint
The same flair that offers up in-yer-face-graphics
The same flair that tries to offer up some F1 front grille action (like it or loathe it)
and more of the flair that brings us detail and interest on the rev counter...
The same thought that encompases the exhaust pipes in the rear diffuser (like it or loathe it)
Agoogy said:
LukeBird said:
Agoogy said:
Who said the Cup deserves Mini levels of trim? just some thought as to what you're looking at would be nice...
compare a bog standard kit-less Mini One/Fiat 500/Fiesta even with equivalent Clio... if that helps you understand my point...
I very much understand your point, but if you're going to compare like with like be it at the bottom of the range, or the top (RS vs. Cooper S), look at the price point...compare a bog standard kit-less Mini One/Fiat 500/Fiesta even with equivalent Clio... if that helps you understand my point...
As equivalents go the Mini would be far more expensive throughout the range, that's where the extra plushness and the like goes...
I'd sooner have the cheaper car even if both handled exactly the same!
The same flair that brings us expensive Liquid yellow paint
The same flair that offers up in-yer-face-graphics
The same flair that tries to offer up some F1 front grille action (like it or loathe it)
and more of the flair that brings us detail and interest on the rev counter...
The same thought that encompases the exhaust pipes in the rear diffuser (like it or loathe it)
Perhaps your argument should be that Renault should either slacken the chassis dynamics in favor of a more "imaginative" interior, or that they should up their budget to provide for devolopment of both chassis and interior and pass their costs on to the end user.
Either way, I think many many people would be unhappy, I like the Clio Cup cars as they are, they are how hot hatches used to be, and always should have been; one word RAW.
I think that making the decision to go ahead and build the car with its functional interior shows a certain amount of imagination, Renault Sport clearly know what their key buyers want in this sector, and despite a growing trend for compromise in hot hatch design they stuck to their guns and produced yet another killer stripped down, no nonsense pocket rocket. I applaud them, it takes imagination and guts to produce such a simple, gadget free and focused car these days.
Perhaps it is you who is lacking in imagination? Perhaps your lack of imagination prevents you from seeing the beauty of the underlying form of the Clio. How the combination of no nonsense, no compromise development and simplistic yet functional design come together to create something very special; A car, a real car with no flashy bits, no massaging seats, no crappy fake materials or unnecessary additions, no on board computerised on the fly dynamic adjustment systems, just pure and simple engineering solutions to produce an astounding car for a bargain price. There my friend is your imagination. Just because they decided not to focus it on making you a throne to caress while you drive doesn't mean it isn't there.
Edited by fivehitsweak on Thursday 21st May 20:01
fivehitsweak said:
I'm sorry, I am sure the guys who design and make these cars have plenty of FLAIR, I am sure if they were given an unlimited budget the same people who penned the Clio's current interior could design you the interior of your dreams. I think it is wrong to judge the credentials of an individual or group of individuals based on a product that was clearly designed to a very tight budget, especially a product deemed to be at the top of its class by many respected motoring publications.
Perhaps your argument should be that Renault should either slacken the chassis dynamics in favor of a more "imaginative" interior, or that they should up their budget to provide for devolopment of both chassis and interior and pass their costs on to the end user.
Either way, I think many many people would be unhappy, I like the Clio Cup cars as they are, they are how hot hatches used to be, and always should have been; one word RAW.
I think that making the decision to go ahead and build the car with its functional interior shows a certain amount of imagination, Renault Sport clearly know what their key buyers want in this sector, and despite a growing trend for compromise in hot hatch design they stuck to their guns and produced yet another killer stripped down, no nonsense pocket rocket. I applaud them, it takes imagination and guts to produce such a simple, gadget free and focused car these days.
Perhaps it is you who is lacking in imagination? Perhaps your lack of imagination prevents you from seeing the beauty of the underlying form of the Clio. How the combination of no nonsense, no compromise development and simplistic yet functional design come together to create something very special; A car, a real car with no flashy bits, no massaging seats, no crappy fake materials or unnecessary additions, no on board computerised on the fly dynamic adjustment systems, just pure and simple engineering solutions to produce an astounding car for a bargain price. There my friend is your imagination. Just because they decided not to focus it on making you a throne to caress while you drive doesn't mean it isn't there.
once more for the slow... I love the Clio's exterior, there is no argument that the chassis engineers are wizards, working their handling magic to great effect. I love the lack of frippery. I understand the theory that has led Renault Sport here....I'm not after fluffy seats (grippy will suffice).... or fake materials...but Renault could equally have forgotten about the exterior in the interests of the purest driving tool...woudl you support that?...they haven't created perfection, they've created the best hot hatch in its segment with the basic underpinnings they were provided to them and for me the basic underpinnings of the interior are dull.Perhaps your argument should be that Renault should either slacken the chassis dynamics in favor of a more "imaginative" interior, or that they should up their budget to provide for devolopment of both chassis and interior and pass their costs on to the end user.
Either way, I think many many people would be unhappy, I like the Clio Cup cars as they are, they are how hot hatches used to be, and always should have been; one word RAW.
I think that making the decision to go ahead and build the car with its functional interior shows a certain amount of imagination, Renault Sport clearly know what their key buyers want in this sector, and despite a growing trend for compromise in hot hatch design they stuck to their guns and produced yet another killer stripped down, no nonsense pocket rocket. I applaud them, it takes imagination and guts to produce such a simple, gadget free and focused car these days.
Perhaps it is you who is lacking in imagination? Perhaps your lack of imagination prevents you from seeing the beauty of the underlying form of the Clio. How the combination of no nonsense, no compromise development and simplistic yet functional design come together to create something very special; A car, a real car with no flashy bits, no massaging seats, no crappy fake materials or unnecessary additions, no on board computerised on the fly dynamic adjustment systems, just pure and simple engineering solutions to produce an astounding car for a bargain price. There my friend is your imagination. Just because they decided not to focus it on making you a throne to caress while you drive doesn't mean it isn't there.
Renault have not diverted money from the interior design team to the chassis team. The car had a budget...the interior 'design' (not the materials) shows no flair. The Fiesta shows flair (like it or not) the Fiat 500, Mito and Mini show imagination. The design team for the interior were given dimensions and a brief, what they have created is bland IMO.
Renault sport then come along with their budget and take stuff out..radios etc...fantastic! all for that! then add stuff like trick dampers hurrah...but they are still left with a bland interior.
fivehitsweak said:
Either way, I think many many people would be unhappy, I like the Clio Cup cars as they are, they are how hot hatches used to be, and always should have been; one word RAW.
If you think one of these things are RAW, then you've not experienced a properly raw car, thats all I can say. One thing my 182 wasnt was raw, yet i'm sure it was pretty raw compared to one of these things.Old school hot hatches are a LOT more raw than anything the modern market has to offer.
pbirkett said:
fivehitsweak said:
Either way, I think many many people would be unhappy, I like the Clio Cup cars as they are, they are how hot hatches used to be, and always should have been; one word RAW.
If you think one of these things are RAW, then you've not experienced a properly raw car, thats all I can say. One thing my 182 wasnt was raw, yet i'm sure it was pretty raw compared to one of these things.Old school hot hatches are a LOT more raw than anything the modern market has to offer.
fivehitsweak said:
pbirkett said:
fivehitsweak said:
Either way, I think many many people would be unhappy, I like the Clio Cup cars as they are, they are how hot hatches used to be, and always should have been; one word RAW.
If you think one of these things are RAW, then you've not experienced a properly raw car, thats all I can say. One thing my 182 wasnt was raw, yet i'm sure it was pretty raw compared to one of these things.Old school hot hatches are a LOT more raw than anything the modern market has to offer.
I am undecided about the exterior.
It seems dynamically superb.
Cup interior wouldn't phase me in the slightest.
The Cup models have had lesser spec interiors since the Cup came out. The mk2 ph2 had the seats from the Dynamic. The mk3 ph1 had the low spec dash from the 1.1L. The mk3 ph2 continues the trend. Is it an opportunity missed ... probably. It wouldn't bother me though.
I'm sure you can probably "cup pack" a standard 200 and retain the higher spec dash if that's your thing.
It seems dynamically superb.
Cup interior wouldn't phase me in the slightest.
The Cup models have had lesser spec interiors since the Cup came out. The mk2 ph2 had the seats from the Dynamic. The mk3 ph1 had the low spec dash from the 1.1L. The mk3 ph2 continues the trend. Is it an opportunity missed ... probably. It wouldn't bother me though.
I'm sure you can probably "cup pack" a standard 200 and retain the higher spec dash if that's your thing.
pbirkett said:
fivehitsweak said:
pbirkett said:
fivehitsweak said:
Either way, I think many many people would be unhappy, I like the Clio Cup cars as they are, they are how hot hatches used to be, and always should have been; one word RAW.
If you think one of these things are RAW, then you've not experienced a properly raw car, thats all I can say. One thing my 182 wasnt was raw, yet i'm sure it was pretty raw compared to one of these things.Old school hot hatches are a LOT more raw than anything the modern market has to offer.
fivehitsweak said:
pbirkett said:
fivehitsweak said:
Either way, I think many many people would be unhappy, I like the Clio Cup cars as they are, they are how hot hatches used to be, and always should have been; one word RAW.
If you think one of these things are RAW, then you've not experienced a properly raw car, thats all I can say. One thing my 182 wasnt was raw, yet i'm sure it was pretty raw compared to one of these things.Old school hot hatches are a LOT more raw than anything the modern market has to offer.
Actually, I don't think the interior is too bad (apart from the bland colour). But why do Renault keep insisting on putting bus steering wheels in their cars?
The Cup interior is significantly more low rent than the full fat version. Beyond that you need to quite worrying and start driving the thing.
The 200 falls down on the fact that it's bloody awful looking, can only seat 2 in the back, and has chav additions like big fake chromed tail pipes and a stupid yellow rev counter.
The 200 falls down on the fact that it's bloody awful looking, can only seat 2 in the back, and has chav additions like big fake chromed tail pipes and a stupid yellow rev counter.
Swervin_Mervin said:
The Cup interior is significantly more low rent than the full fat version. Beyond that you need to quite worrying and start driving the thing.
The 200 falls down on the fact that it's bloody awful looking, can only seat 2 in the back, and has chav additions like big fake chromed tail pipes and a stupid yellow rev counter.
Shirley you need to 'quite' worrying about the yellow rev counter, shiney exhaust pipes, 2 seats in the back and subjective looks and start driving the thing??The 200 falls down on the fact that it's bloody awful looking, can only seat 2 in the back, and has chav additions like big fake chromed tail pipes and a stupid yellow rev counter.
The styling on it is w
k!
That front end is dreadful, really dont like the revamped nose. Many of these new cars seem to have "faces" as the front and i think it's terrible!
The yellow one didnt look so bad as it was taken from a side view and the wheels are beastly but the greeny one
..Yuk!
Nil point for Renault!
k!That front end is dreadful, really dont like the revamped nose. Many of these new cars seem to have "faces" as the front and i think it's terrible!
The yellow one didnt look so bad as it was taken from a side view and the wheels are beastly but the greeny one
..Yuk! Nil point for Renault!
CorsaQueen said:
Agoogy said:
'faces' as a description of the front of a car....or even determining how it looks is as old as the hills....
Might be as old as the hills.. but your not going to buy a car you dont think is attractive. Well i wouldnt anyway.
Agoogy said:
CorsaQueen said:
Agoogy said:
'faces' as a description of the front of a car....or even determining how it looks is as old as the hills....
Might be as old as the hills.. but your not going to buy a car you dont think is attractive. Well i wouldnt anyway.Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff